John Pavlovitz and family have Covid-19

[Nevilledog]

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OUR COVID NEWS:

Hello Friends.

Two weeks ago, we took a family trip.

Three-quarters of us had been fully vaccinated since April with the Pfizer shot, with the exception being our 11-year old.

We'd been super diligent for a year and half and were hopeful we could finally begin doing some normal things, and left for our first family vacation since lockdown began.

We were being as careful as we could, but as vaccinated adults it's easy to let your guard down and to generally be less attentive than you had been regarding masks and sanitizing and distancing.

A few days into the trip our daughter started complaining about headaches, which we attributed to the heat. The next day, she began to get congestion and said her throat was sore. We took her to the local clinic and received her positive results. We immediately began lockdown.

A couple of days later, my wife started feeling sick and we were stunned to get a positive test for her, as she's been fully vaccinated since April.

I had two negative tests earlier in the week but began feeling much worse over the weekend, and today both me and our son tested positive. Thankfully, he is asymptomatic so far.

So, amazingly we are four for four with COVID here in the Pavlovitz house, with three fully vaccinated people testing positive for the virus... insane, scary, shocking.

The doctor who gave me my results said that this Delta variant is frightening and unpredictable. She has been alarmed by how quickly it has spread, and also by how many people are still avoiding the vaccine.

I'm hopefully in the worst of it now: congestion, headache, body aches, cough, fatigue. Lost my sense of taste and smell. Overall, it feels like a bad case of bronchitis. I shudder to think how bad it might have been had we not been vaccinated. My wife/daughter are much better.

Friends, please get vaccinated if you haven't. It's the only way we're going to get the edge on these dangerous variants and it will keep you from the worst symptoms and very likely save your life.

And please consider still masking after getting your vaccine. We're simply not out of this yet, and we need to take care of ourselves and one another.

I'll be down for a few days, but hopeful back to normal soon (or whatever I was before.)

Thanks everyone.

Be careful out there.

You are loved.

John, Variant

[Delphinus]

1. Yikes!

This is worrisome.

[Ms. Toad]

2. Another n3 reason to continue masking. n/t

COVID 100%; vaccine 0%.

[lagomorph777]

70. It sounds like none of them are dying or hospitalized. Vaccine 100%; COVID 0%

The vaccine:
(A) was not designed with Delta Variant in mind (didn't exist)
(B) was intended to prevent severe illness and death
(C) was hoped to reduce transmission, in combination with common-sense hygiene (masking).

None of Pavlovitz' story contradicts any of the expected results of the vaccine.

[Ms. Toad]

75. It was not "intended" to prevent serious illness or death.

The intent was to prevent infection - but was tested was serious illness or death in order to quickly move to emergency approval. Subsequent testing (in which infection was actually monitored) shows it actually does prevent infection - with an effectivenss of95%.

In reality - the death rate in breakthrough cases is pretty much identical to the death rate in unvaccinated individuals. (I have not seen data on serious illness, specifically.) The reduction in serious illness or death comes almost exclusivley from a reduction in infection.

It doesn't contradict the expected results because the effectiveness is 95%, not 100%. (And, against Delta, after factoring in the increased infecton rate and the decreased effectiveness, an effective effectiveness rate of abourt 80.1%, as compared to the original variant.)

There have been reported on DU (by individuals directly, or one step removed (parent, child, sibling) cases of death and long-haul COVID. Those don't contradict the expected results either - because the range of severity in breakthrough cases appears to be about the same as in reguar cases.)

BUT - it does contradict the inaccurate information going around DU that chances of infection and/or serious conseqences are miniscule, and supports continuing common-sense hygeine (masking and social distancing).

[dweller]

3. This

needs to go to the Greatest Page

✌🏻

[Siwsan]

4. I'm skipping a class reunion because of just this this sort of possibility. (I received Pfizer)

They said, weather permitting, the meal will be outdoors. Just the same, it's not worth the risk to meet up with a bunch of people I've been out of touch with for years, and of whom I have no idea if there might just be a bunch of covidiots in attendance. Which, frankly, wouldn't surprise me.

I have an appointment for a quick follow up at the clinic, tomorrow, and I'm going to be asking about a booster.

[Baked Potato]

5. Just got back from grocery shopping and

we were among the only 10 or so masked up. And, the store had 100s of shoppers. We are in the SE.

[tanyev]

6. I think the numbers are going to skyrocket after this weekend.

[crickets]

8. Sadly, you are probably right.

About a month ago, I finally let my guard down to have dinner out with family and some friends, all vaccinated. It was nice, but that won't happen again for a while. The mask has stayed on otherwise, and will remain on for the foreseeable future.

[lagomorph777]

71. Yup. Maskhole anti-vaxxer MAGATs will die in great numbers.

They are helping tilt the electoral scales toward blue.

I applaud their efforts.

[ramen]

7. Bad news, I hope they all recover quickly. Breakthrough cases like this are known to be part of

the non-100% success rate of vaccinations but do not indicate a new problem with the vaccines. With any luck their cases will be minor and brief like most of the other breakthrough cases so far, which I think is the real miracle of these vaccines.

[Dream Girl]

13. But all four of them!

I could see one or two of them but it’s concerning that all four of them tested positive

[boston bean]

15. A long exposure time will most likely contribute to a breakthrough.

They all lived together. That is how I got it. I was never out of the house worked from home.

Doctor told me that once one person has it in household 90% chance all will get it.

[ramen]

39. It is alarming, for sure. I don't know what to make of that part.

Maybe all four encountered a particularly high viral load in the same place somewhere along the way? I'm not sure how to plan for that.

[wryter2000]

65. The rest of them probably got it from the 11 year old

She got it, and then they spent days in close proximity to her.

When can kids get vaccinated?

[CottonBear]

67. 2-11 year olds will probably be able to get Pfizer vaccination this fall.

Unfortunately, this will be AFTER most schools start the 2021-2022 school year in August 2021.

My 12 year old kiddo is vaccinated AND wears a mask indoors and when around others in close proximity outside.

[wryter2000]

83. I can't wait

We need everyone vaccinated.

[krkaufman]

78. 11 yr old?

That’s what I was wondering, but what’s the evidence that the girl is the 11 yr old?

[wryter2000]

82. Her father said she was

I imagine he'd know. Do you think he lied? The rest of the family is all vaccinated. Why would he exclude her if he could get vaccine for an 11 year old?

[AllyCat]

45. Viral load. All 4 in close proximity for a long trip.

Boom.

[uponit7771]

66. yep

[Wild blueberry]

9. May you and your family be well

[boston bean]

10. Once in the house 90% chance everyone will get it.

Happened to all of us here.

[deurbano]

58. You were all vaccinated?

Hope you are all doing well now!

[boston bean]

63. No this was before vaccination.

[2naSalit]

12. Hope you have a speedy recovery...

Makes me realize I shouldn't go anywhere unmasked as I live in a touristy area and in the middle of TFG-land.

[Skittles]

14. I wonder how many people they passed it on to

anyone not masking is RECKLESS

CDC really dropped the ball on this

[EndlessWire]

18. Was it the CDC?

First, they got gutted by the idiot tRump Admin. Now, they are pressured to change their judgment to allow all the stupid people to go out and act as if we are not still in a pandemic.

Look what people are doing. Here in California, they are trying to recall Newsom because he tried to manage things like, you know, we are in a pandemic.

You might be right, not saying, but I just can't fault the CDC. I point the finger at tRump and the GOP. All major assholes.

[Skittles]

21. Trump did not make them drop so many masking requirements

this has made people hehave like the entire goal all along was to stop masking, instead of battling a PANDEMIC

[luvtheGWN]

62. A picture (or video) speaks a thousand words.

Remember when TFG came back to the White House after his stay in the hospital and he tore off his mask?

[Skittles]

84. that fascist bastard

he gets THE best treatment for Covid, courtesy of the TAXPAYERS (of which he is NOT), then he makes fun of masks by tearing his off in "defiance", then he and his mannequin "wife" sneak off and get Covid vaccinations. AND MILLIONS OF AMERICANS BELIEVE IN THIS VILE PIECE OF SHIT.

[CrispyQ]

74. Agree.

I thought it was foolish at the time since we knew so little about the variants. Getting people to mask up again will be harder than before. My area has about 70% fully vaccinated but in the stores there are less than 10% wearing masks.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

16. Data shows vaccine reduces severity in those rare case the vaxxed catch the virus. . . . nt

[Random Boomer]

55. Not so rare cases anymore

The Delta variant is changing that equation.

[ProfessorGAC]

77. I Keep Reading That Here

But, delta is now estimated at 30% of all new cases (up from 10% on May 7).
Yet, the 7 day moving average of new cases is essentially flat and is lower than at any point since March 21st, 2020.
If the more contagious, and presumably more dangerous, variant is increasing but overall daily cases are not rising to match the change in delta proportion, that doesn't seem to suggest that such change has happened to the equation.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/?fbclid=IwAR1vxfcHfMBnmTFm6hBICQcdbV5aRnMimeP3hVYHdlxJtFWdKF80VV8iHgE

[Deminpenn]

80. Stop making senes

[IronLionZion]

17. Hoping they have milder cases because they've been vaccinated

that's how it's been for most breakthrough cases. His symptoms sound like the original strain or earlier variants, not delta.

[EndlessWire]

19. Not Delta?

Can you elaborate please?

Damn, I sorta hope that it is not an earlier variant or the original, because that doesn't speak well for the vaccine! What is it, coming out of their tissues?

[IronLionZion]

37. Delta symptoms are like the common cold

running nose, sore throat, headache, but no loss of taste or smell or the other COVID symptoms. So Delta is easy to mistake for the common cold as it quietly damages your lungs and heart.

[krkaufman]

79. Reference?

This seems wrong.

[IronLionZion]

81. I googled Delta variant symptoms. Here's 2 links

https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/delta-variant-symptoms-similar-common-cold-flu/275-3d09fdb9-d3a8-427c-a7b6-baa59d27b628

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57467051

CDC doesn't separate it by variant but they have added runny nose/congestion and sore throat to their list of COVID symptoms to watch out for. So people can easily mistake it for a cold.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/symptoms-testing/symptoms.html

[moonscape]

29. Why not milder symptoms due to being

fully vaccinated? I’ve not read that Delta breakthrough always means a severe case.

[AllyCat]

46. Maybe they did have milder symptoms.

[MuseRider]

20. OK, this does it.

Back to previous protocol. We unmasked just a little so it will not be a big change but I have just been diagnosed with a type of heart disease that is bad/not bad but I am not willing to risk it being worse.

I am grateful that my son who is still living with us for a job and my husband are both willing to totally go back.

It sounds like they feel pretty crummy but not needing hospitalization, at least so far. I so appreciate people letting the rest of us know.

Back to staying in mostly. It is better than dead, that is certain!

[EndlessWire]

23. I haven't completely researched this

but didn't I read that the masks we are currently using will not be enough against Delta? Does anyone know what we should now do to get better masking?

Can we consider Delta as a new pandemic virus? I vote we name it after Donald. The Donald Virus. He's the one who urged us to drink bleach, then ran to the Army hospital to receive the state of the art treatment for himself. So, I think he should be honored with it.

[moonscape]

31. N95 or KN95 is how to be fully safe, but I'm

still waering my filtered cloth mask. We had 2 covid cases in my County with positivity rate 1% so I feel pretty safe, and don’t go into or linger in crowded spaces. If numbers tick up will go back to pre-jab personal protocol.

Am against naming Delta after DJT only because it would mean hearing his name constantly!

[Ms. Toad]

35. Masks are definitely not as effective against Delta.

Just like the vaccines aren't as effective. I haven't seen data on how much less effective.

I haven't shifted to N95 masks yet, but that is a better option.

[Maru Kitteh]

42. Based on what? You haven't seen data, so why "definitely" less effective?

I'm genuinely curious where this is coming from and what it's based on.

[Ms. Toad]

53. Good question. I thought I had read general information about masks being less effective

against the Delta variant. But I can't find it at the moment.

I know it is 60% more contagious - so it may be that the less effective was simply a reference to the fact that less exposure will cause COVID of the Delta variety. The information I am finding suggests double-masking or ensuring a closer fit. It may be that I extrapolated from that that the way most of us mask (gaps at the sides, fewer layers) are less effective against a more contagious virus.

The only thing I find that is close at the moment is buried behind a pay wall. I'll keep looking.

[NJCher]

59. paywall

if it's behind nyt, wash post or wsj, let me know and I'll get it.

[Ms. Toad]

68. It was WSJ -

Let me see if I can recreate the search and find it again . . .

[Pluvious]

73. FWIW I too had read that cloth masks were less effective for DV (nt)

[liberal_mama]

52. I always wear a KN95 because I read surgical & cloth masks might not be enough w/Delta

[wnylib]

36. Underlying conditions, like your recent

heart diagnosis, make it important to mask up, even if vaccinated. Covid has negative effects even on the hearts of people who don't have heart disease.

If I had been on that trip and got infected, I would have been hospitalized, or worse. I have an autoimmune disorder, asthma, hypertension (controlled by med), and am 71. I look healthy, and feel healthy, unless I get exposed to a substance that triggers asthma.

There is concern that people with autoimmune disorders have higher susceptibility because they are treated with steroids that can weaken the immune system. That is true, but there is another concern for people with autoimmune disorders who are not taking steroids. Autoimmune disorders make people more vulnerable to cytokine storm reactions to viral infections. Cytokine reactions with covid have been a cause of death since the earliest days of the pandemic. Lungs fill with fluid and the person suffocates.

I am definitely continuing with masks, distancing, and hand sanitation.

Autoimmune disorders include diabetes, lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, underactive thyroid (Hashimoto's hypothyroidism), and many more.

[MuseRider]

47. I also have RA.

I had read about that. The heart thing is not even totally figured out. I had a cardiac cath a few days ago because my EF on echo was horribly, dangerously low. I feel OK so it cannot be that bad except it needs work so it does not kill me.

Age is rough on a body! Just 67 here for a while longer but boy did things start to become different all at once. Still happy and relatively healthy! Do not was Covid, going all the way back to the beginning here.

[wnylib]

50. Yes, age is sometimes a bummer physically.

Just when you finally feel free to do things you've wanted to, your ability to do some of them gets limited.

[stillcool]

22. seeing as how this virus is

going off on it's own, and doing it's own thing, I'm going to wait, and watch, and see how it goes. The variants, the data about who gets sick, how severe it is. Has there really been enough time to draw conclusions? If it's true today, does that mean it's true tomorrow? I would think until time provides more clarity it would behoove me to just wear a damn mask, wash my frigging hands, and keep away from assholes.

[bucolic_frolic]

24. He is amazing, brings thoughts few ponder, ever

Get well, John Pavlovitz. TwitterSphere needs you.

[Tree Lady]

25. I have been traveling last 5 days

In CA northern coast and Bay Area. Thankfully a lot got vaccinated as everywhere we go no masks and I have to say I didn't either as whole family vaccinated didn't.

I feel fine so fingers crossed.

By the way everyone is acting like it's over.

[NJCher]

60. pls clarify

what does this mean?

and I have to say I didn't either as whole family vaccinated didn't.

[Tree Lady]

61. Means I was being stupid caring

What others thought just like you probably figured out. I wear a mask when I shop at home normally. Would you call it peer pressure?

[yellowdogintexas]

26. Jeez this makes me rethink my idea to visit my sisters in August

The NC sister is going to visit her son in Nashville, which is about an hour drive to our KY sister.
So here I am in Texas, really wanting to drive up while the NC sister is there.

[WarGamer]

27. Bad case of bronchitis AND he's vaccinated...

fuck.

[C Moon]

72. Yeah. That means he would be on a respirator if he didn't get vaccinated.

Some people get a mild flu even after being vaccinated against the flu. Plus keep in mind the COVID vaccine isn’t 100%. We were never told it was 100%. Never.

[bullwinkle428]

28. All the RWers have been screaming, "OPEN ALL OF THE SCHOOLS YESTERDAY!!!"

Joe Scarborough!

And it sounds like his 11-year-old may have been the "gateway patient" that brought the virus into the home. Get ready for an insane spike in cases this fall, if my theory is correct.

[Arkansas Granny]

30. I've relaxed my covid routine around family and friends who are fully vaccinated, but

I have continued to wear a mask and practice social distancing when I'm out in public. I have gotten a little lax with hand sanitizer and need to step it up again.

We are facing increasing numbers of cases and low vaccination rates here in Arkansas. The situation is exacerbated by the presence of the Delta variant, but most seem to not be taking it seriously.

I just don't get it.

[Nevilledog]

32. Well....when we have idiots like this👇

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Tweet text:
Bradley P. Moss
@BradMossEsq
Qanon Congresswoman is encouraging her constituents to risk contracting a deadly virus that’s killed 600,000 Americans in a little over one year.

Marjorie Taylor Greene 🇺🇸
@mtgreenee
Replying to @mtgreenee
6. No one cares about the Delta Variant or any other variant.

They are over covid & there is no amount of fear based screaming from the media that will ever force Americans to shut down again.

Forced masks and vaccines will cause Dems to lose big.

All voters are over covid.
6:03 PM · Jul 5, 2021

[wnylib]

40. Looking forward to the day she gets it.

[Maru Kitteh]

43. Bet you anything she's vaccinated. She's loudmouth coward so

she's not going to tell anyone, but she seems like the type to pull a Trump and geet vaccinated in private.

[wnylib]

48. You're probably right.

What is it with people who urge other people to suicidal behavior while protecting themselves?

[getagrip_already]

76. money... she is settings records fundraising.....

Even if she leaves office and never runs again, there aren't a lot of strings on that money.

So as long as the act draws donations, the show will go on.

[orangecrush]

33. Damn

[Marrah_Goodman]

34. Ugh...I am fully vaxxed and so are my daughter and daughter in law

A couple days ago I came down with a nasty cold even though I am not around people much. It seems to be easing up. So far I am the only one.

[Maru Kitteh]

44. Did you get yourself tested? How many days since your symptoms first appeared?

[Marrah_Goodman]

51. This was day three and I'm much better

Hoping it was just a head cold. Will have to see about getting tested here since I am like 1000 miles from home. Bleh.

[JoeOtterbein]

38. This is the reason I still wear a mask, indoor or out,...

...some humans are stupid!

[PatSeg]

41. Oh shit

[Duppers]

49. Fully vaccinated here and still wearing N-95s

And had to defend that choice, of all places: DU lounge!

Masks are psychosomatic "comfort items" and "virtue signaling."

[Hekate]

54. Damn! Damn damn damn.

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We just told our SIL we’ll take her out to a restaurant for her birthday tomorrow. Damn!

ETA: Just talked to hubby — we’ll got to an outdoor fish house.

[marmar]

56. Fully vaxxed but I still mask up in public.

[ecstatic]

57. We're in a never ending nightmare.

TFG broke the world.

COVID-19 pandemic was "preventable disaster," WHO-commissioned report says

https://www.axios.com/report-covid-19-preventable-disaster-who-b1003f08-a9cb-4863-80a4-f05de6159ec5.html

[BobTheSubgenius]

64. Our very best wishes for a complete and speedy recovery to the whole family!

If stories like this don't get the "vaccine-hesitant" (few are hesitant, many more are recalcitrant assholes and yet others are conspiracy theorists) to get on board with saving lives and maybe even civilization....

[lagomorph777]

69. I'm still masking.

Definitely will not be letting up my guard.

Delta is Democratic superpower (or more accurately, Reptilian Kryptonite). Persevere, people. If we keep doing the right thing, we can count on the Reptilians to keep on doing the wrong thing. They will tilt the electoral scales in our direction.

[Ms. Toad]

85. Update:

Link to tweet

COVID UPDATE:
It sucks to have COVID.
You don’t want COVID.
Do all you can to not get COVID.

I was fully vaccinated and right now (as my father used to say) I feel like a sh*t sandwich without the bread.

Be careful out there!