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Adam Schiff on the select committee: (Original Post) Kingofalldems Jul 2021 OP
Question #1 gab13by13 Jul 2021 #1
you mean will they be enforced? mdbl Jul 2021 #2
Who will enforce them? gab13by13 Jul 2021 #8
The Justice Department? kentuck Jul 2021 #10
yes, and it took six months to get Barr under oath... Grasswire2 Jul 2021 #32
Question...Then what? MiHale Jul 2021 #3
Nope OldBaldy1701E Jul 2021 #4
Knowledge is not enough. We must force DOJ to prosecute all the way to the top. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #12
Your questions are valid, but I feel it's vital to establish, expose and have Congressional msfiddlestix Jul 2021 #20
You forgot skip fox Jul 2021 #21
Then what. The final question. The answer, enforcement, ancianita Jul 2021 #22
".... like how much knowledge did the Trump White House have about its planning." Botany Jul 2021 #5
Thank you Botany: Clear as a bell. n/t rgbecker Jul 2021 #9
Trump's top staff had a pow-wow a day or two before, at his DC hotel. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #13
Trump fired the Sec. of Defense after he lost the election and installed Christopher Miller Botany Jul 2021 #15
Yup - crippled the National Guard in advance. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #16
Before Miller sent out this stand down order (how did he know about an upcoming riot) ... Botany Jul 2021 #17
all true and way more to come. Others on this thread fear nothing will happen. Opinion? Evolve Dammit Jul 2021 #14
Didn't know Mulvaney's niece was enlisted to file the paperwork. msfiddlestix Jul 2021 #23
Thank you! ancianita Jul 2021 #24
It is all a matter of public record. Botany Jul 2021 #25
It is. I hear you. Nevertheless, you succinctly summarize that time period. ancianita Jul 2021 #26
Twitter reply: Rhiannon12866 Jul 2021 #6
Exactly! Rt TY! Cha Jul 2021 #29
Not just the Trump White House, I hope!! DFW Jul 2021 #7
Is he "on" the committee, or "commenting on" the committee. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #11
Well of course they are going to investigate it. Ligyron Jul 2021 #18
Several Repuke Senators and Representatives were in on it also FakeNoose Jul 2021 #19
Can't wait to see the lid publicly blown off this rotten barrel of toxic sewage Blue Owl Jul 2021 #27
KR! Cha Jul 2021 #28
Schiff and also Rep. Rankin: IcyPeas Jul 2021 #30
The original plan was ... Tennessee Hillbilly Jul 2021 #31

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
10. The Justice Department?
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 09:20 AM
Jul 2021

It is no longer under control of Trump and Barr. It is only a matter of desire.

Grasswire2

(13,568 posts)
32. yes, and it took six months to get Barr under oath...
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 01:14 AM
Jul 2021

....and longer to get testimony from WH Counsel McGahn.

MiHale

(9,715 posts)
3. Question...Then what?
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 07:38 AM
Jul 2021

Even if we find out all the intimate details leading up to and on that day, publicly out the people responsible. Then what?

Seriously, will there be any accountability, any justice or will it be …”Well just make sure you don’t do it again, you really frightened some people.”

To think that anyone is going to be kicked out of office, put in prison, exiled or anything that would give us a sense of justice is fantasy. We may find out the Congresspersons that assisted the insurrection, that maybe the Capitol police were not as prepared as the should have been, that maybe phone calls for help were delayed…that maybe…that maybe…that maybe.

We may learn of everything about everything that happened that day. Then history will be the judge and jury, we will live with only the knowledge.

Will that be enough?

OldBaldy1701E

(5,117 posts)
4. Nope
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 07:48 AM
Jul 2021

But, we sat here and let the rich take over every aspect of our society with little more than a quiet whimper, and then tweak everything so that it only favors them... so why would we expect anything more over this?

msfiddlestix

(7,278 posts)
20. Your questions are valid, but I feel it's vital to establish, expose and have Congressional
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 10:00 AM
Jul 2021

documentation regardless of the potential shit show (via Qpugs on the committee) on as much as it is possible as to all of the still unanswered questions.

As for accountability, probably not, unless the public rises up and demands it. Whether or not that ever happens remains to be seen.







skip fox

(19,356 posts)
21. You forgot
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 10:00 AM
Jul 2021

that all this will be exposed to the electorate and Trump's complicity (no matter how fervently denied by right-wing media and, therefore, 35% of likely voters) may spell the a major setback for the Republicans as a whole, and Trump in particular.

I share your pessimism, but believe there is the possibility we can walk back from what is increasingly looking like a coming civil war.

ancianita

(36,023 posts)
22. Then what. The final question. The answer, enforcement,
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 10:05 AM
Jul 2021

determines the reality of this democracy.

Unenforceable law is no law at all.

Without Jan 6 enforcement, knowledge is the booby prize.

Thank you for your post, which hits to the heart of the matter.

Botany

(70,490 posts)
5. ".... like how much knowledge did the Trump White House have about its planning."
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 07:50 AM
Jul 2021

Trump gave out the day, the date, the time, and the place on at least dozen times. (NY Times come here and go wild)

Trump helped to pay for it w/campaign funds.

Trump's chief of staff Nick Mulvaney's niece filled out the paperwork for the permit for Trump's pre-riot party.

Trump told the rioters to go to the Capitol and he would meet them there.

Trump told Georgia's Sec. of State that he needed some help on the vote count because big things
were gonna happen on 1/6/21.

Trump decapitated the D.C. National Guard prior to the attempted coup.

Trump refused to stop the violence when Rep. McCarthy and Mike Pence called him and asked for help.

And at the end of the day Trump told his thugs that he "loved 'em."

Botany

(70,490 posts)
15. Trump fired the Sec. of Defense after he lost the election and installed Christopher Miller
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 09:44 AM
Jul 2021

And Miller put this out 2 days before the 1/6/21 attempted coup.

This memorandum responds directly to your January 4, 2021 memorandum regarding the District of Columbia request for District of Columbia National Guard (DCNG) support in response to planned demonstrations from January 5-6, 2021. You are authorized to approve the requested support, subject to my guidance below and subject to consultation with the Attorney General, as required by Executive Order 11485.

Without my subsequent, personal authorization, the DCNG is not authorized the following:

* To be issued weapons, ammunition, bayonets, batons, riot control agents or ballistic protection equipment such as helmets and body armor.

* To interact physically with protesters, except when necessary in self-defense or defense of others.

* Prohibited from sharing “equipment with law enforcement agencies” or seeking support from any non-DC National Guard units.

* Forbidden from conducting “searches, seizures, arrests, or other similar direct law enforcement activity.”

* Forbidden from using “Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance assets” or to conduct “Incident, Awareness and Assessment activities.”

* No helicopters or “any other air assets.”

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
16. Yup - crippled the National Guard in advance.
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 09:46 AM
Jul 2021

Multiple prosecutions should result from this action alone.

Botany

(70,490 posts)
17. Before Miller sent out this stand down order (how did he know about an upcoming riot) ...
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 09:49 AM
Jul 2021

... the D.C. National Guard had the authority to respond to protect the people, the property,
and the Fed. Government on their own.

msfiddlestix

(7,278 posts)
23. Didn't know Mulvaney's niece was enlisted to file the paperwork.
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 10:07 AM
Jul 2021

sheebus. what the hell. i hope her and her uncle have their comeuppance, but I doubt it.

I really like you laid out the most important facts so succinctly. I could almost argue the need for a select committee to investigate and establish the facts in evidence as witnessed by the entire world played out in real time, as completely unnecessary. Were it not for the ultimate goal of accountability, I would.

ancianita

(36,023 posts)
24. Thank you!
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 10:13 AM
Jul 2021

Great memory, this far out, that can stand as a checklist for the Select Committee work and final report. Much appreciated.

Botany

(70,490 posts)
25. It is all a matter of public record.
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 10:31 AM
Jul 2021

Trump, who has refused to concede his loss to Democratic President-elect Joe Biden, had urged his supporters multiple times to come to Washington for a rally on Wednesday, the day the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate were scheduled to certify the results of the Electoral College.

“Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election,” Trump, a Republican, tweeted on Dec. 20. “Big protest in DC on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!”

They turned out in the thousands and heard the president urge them to march on the Capitol building to express their anger at the voting process and to pressure their elected officials to reject the results.

“We’re going to walk down to the Capitol and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and Congressmen and women,” Trump told the crowd, speaking with the White House as a backdrop.

Appearing at what could be his last rally as the sitting president, Trump exhorted his supporters “to fight.”

“We will never give up, we will never concede,” Trump said, delighting the crowd by calling Democratic victories the product of what he called “explosions of bullshit.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-protests/trump-summoned-supporters-to-wild-protest-and-told-them-to-fight-they-did-idUSKBN29B24S

ancianita

(36,023 posts)
26. It is. I hear you. Nevertheless, you succinctly summarize that time period.
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 10:38 AM
Jul 2021

There are timelines out there, but I prefer your list.

The Select Committee on Jan 6 must take what's been on public record and through official documents and witness testimony, enter it all, along with its final report, into the Congressional Record.

This history must not be altered, revised or erased.

DFW

(54,349 posts)
7. Not just the Trump White House, I hope!!
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 08:10 AM
Jul 2021

Republican members of Congress were providing the invaders maps, schedules and diagrams of whose offices could be found where. They need to face prosecution along with any guilty parties in the Trump White House.

Ligyron

(7,627 posts)
18. Well of course they are going to investigate it.
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 09:52 AM
Jul 2021

Are they going to do anything about it afterwards is the question.

Let’s hope they’ve learned their lesson about dealing with Republicans

FakeNoose

(32,633 posts)
19. Several Repuke Senators and Representatives were in on it also
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 09:58 AM
Jul 2021

Does he have the stomach to see this through? I hope so, for the sake of our democracy!

I believe Adam Schiff, former prosecutor, has the balls to investigate and find the answers. But will others on the committee see this through, or block Schiff at every turn? This select committee could actually wind up becoming a 3rd impeachment of Chump.

This time they all go down. Lock them all up!

IcyPeas

(21,858 posts)
30. Schiff and also Rep. Rankin:
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 05:04 PM
Jul 2021

Important:
@RepAdamSchiff tells MSNBC the 1/6 committee will look at whether the Trump WH had "advance notice" of the violence, and says the probe could lead to "some of our colleagues" in Congress:



31. The original plan was ...
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 06:39 PM
Jul 2021

for the attackers to get complete control of the building, take some members of Congress as hostages, stay there all night, and then see what developed.

But after three hours it became apparent that the attack had stalled and would likely fail. Trump lost his nerve and decided to call of the attack to make it look like he didn't incite it.

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