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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(137,388 posts)
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 01:25 PM Jul 2021

Spain says non-consensual sex is rape, toughens sexual violence laws

The Spanish government approved a law on Tuesday to define all non-consensual sex as rape, part of a legislative overhaul that toughens penalties for sexual harassment and mandates more support systems for victims.

It approved the bill five years after what became known as the 'wolf pack' case, in which five men gang-raped an 18-year old woman at Pamplona's bull-running festival, causing public outrage and prompting calls to reform laws on sexual violence.

The draft still requires parliamentary approval, which is expected by the end of the year.

Based around a "yes means yes" model, which qualifies any non-consenting sex as rape, the law will bring Spain into line with 11 other European countries, including Sweden, Portugal and Britain, that use similar legal definitions

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/spain-says-non-consensual-sex-is-rape-toughens-sexual-violence-laws/ar-AALQ1Y2

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Spain says non-consensual sex is rape, toughens sexual violence laws (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2021 OP
One thing people forget is a guy can say no too jimfields33 Jul 2021 #1
Guess Spain should have done nothing, then n/t kcr Jul 2021 #2
They can do anything they want. Just pointing out that anybody can be raped. jimfields33 Jul 2021 #6
Just pointing that out for no reason, huh? n/t kcr Jul 2021 #11
My wife does that to me sometimes Polybius Jul 2021 #3
lol. Only if you charge her. jimfields33 Jul 2021 #5
What does that have to do with the OP? obamanut2012 Jul 2021 #8
It says nonconsexual sex can be rape. jimfields33 Jul 2021 #9
Who exactly has forgotten that? LanternWaste Jul 2021 #10
How can there be non-consensual sex that isn't rape? Azathoth Jul 2021 #4
Jesus Christ ismnotwasm Jul 2021 #7
 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
1. One thing people forget is a guy can say no too
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 01:35 PM
Jul 2021

Wife wants sex. Husband doesn’t feel like it and says no. She starts making him by ripping off clothes. Rape. Marital rape is a thing.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
10. Who exactly has forgotten that?
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 06:00 PM
Jul 2021

Or are you merely reminding people of something that has not been, in fact, forgotten?

 

Azathoth

(4,677 posts)
4. How can there be non-consensual sex that isn't rape?
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 03:00 PM
Jul 2021

These definitions sound tautological to me. I can't imagine how a rape law could be written that somehow permits forms of intentionally non-consensual sex.

I get the feeling this is more about reducing the need for evidence that the sex was non-consensual.

ismnotwasm

(42,674 posts)
7. Jesus Christ
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 04:18 PM
Jul 2021

When is non consensual sex NOT rape? There is reluctant sex, but consent still has to be present. There is coercion rape, where a variety of tactics are applied, everything EXCEPT obtaining genuine consent.

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