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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNew Khashoggi revelations show we don't have the full story about his killing
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/06/jamal-khashoggi-egypt-saudi-arabia-biden-mbs-full-story/(With a kick to: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215594159)
Who else outside of Saudi Arabia was involved in this crime? What did U.S. officials know, and when, about plans to kill him? What else does the Biden administration know that it might not be telling us? Will they question Prince Khalid bin Salman, Saudi Arabias former ambassador to the United States and currently its deputy defense minister, during their meetings with him when he comes to Washington this week, about his own role in the murder, including phone records of his communications with Khashoggi?
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)Wasn't Jared there before the murder happened? I seem to recall something like that. Didn't they stay up all night talking with each other? That would have been a good time to be a mouse...
Me.
(35,454 posts)because Kushner, and whoever else was somehow involved, that Ertogan, who knew, blackmailed the TFG into giving him a free hand with the Kurds.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)There's just so much, it's hard to remember all the details.
I'm sure we'd be shocked to know the details of what goes on behind the curtains.
Me.
(35,454 posts)There are people who could confirm and some that have done more than hint broadly
And no you're not nuts but in these times it's a miracle all of us aren't
Me.
(35,454 posts)OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)triron
(21,999 posts)My bets are Kushner and Trump were aiding and abetting.
Me.
(35,454 posts)And yes, I believe they gave a thumbs up, at least Kushner. Remember, he reportedly gave classified info to MSB regarding who was working against him in the kingdom and that led to all those arrests, death penalties and prison time for his relatives. And what did Jared get out of the deal? Possibly that rapprochement between the Saudis and Israel which would further Kushner's plan for mideast peace.
AZ8theist
(5,456 posts)But was more than likely all about the money. Specifically, Kushner getting bailed out of that turd building in NYC he owed tons of dough on:
https://www.justsecurity.org/69094/timeline-on-jared-kushner-qatar-666-fifth-avenue-and-white-house-policy/
Me.
(35,454 posts)U.S. President Donald Trump and the King of Saudi Arabia Salman bin Abdulaziz spoke by phone this week following a U.S. brokered deal last month under which the United Arab Emirates (UAE) agreed to normalize relations with Israel.
A White House spokesperson said Trump told King Salman that he welcomed the opening of Saudi airspace to flights between Israel and the UAE. The first direct flight of an Israeli commercial airliner, El Al flight 971, was allowed by Riyadh to pass through Saudi airspace carrying Jared Kushner, Trumps son-in-law who is leading his Middle East policy, as well as other officials from Abu Dhabi and Tel Aviv. A few days later, Saudi Arabia made an announcement, which was reportedly made after the formal request by the UAE, saying that it had also decided to allow all flights between the UAE and Israel to fly over its territory.
During his visit to Abu Dhabi, Kushner stated that he was 100% sure that the other Arab countries would follow the UAE in formalizing ties with Israel. He was fast to travel to Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and Qatar and started to put pressure on other Arab countries
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https://thefrontierpost.com/did-mbs-give-assurance-to-us-of-normalization-with-israel/
Long story short, nothing worked out in the long run except the Qataris were out a lot of money.
UTUSN
(70,683 posts)ansible
(1,718 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)erronis
(15,241 posts)There are obviously a lot more strings connecting the puppets and masters than anyone knows - even those thinking they are the masters.
It's pretty obvious the western imperial powers (England, France, Spain, Portugal, USofA, even little Holland) didn't understand how to govern and protect their dominion in a benevolent way. And they had no f'in idea on how to deal with religious fanatics - even more fanatical than the RCs, Protestants, etc.
Mixing power and money and religion and general human stupidity. Light a match and watch the fireworks!
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)When tRUMP'S *YUGE* LOANS are due or called in by banks when/if he's indicted; Guess who will take pity on him and loan him a billion or so? MBS or MBS via 3rd parties. The depth of grifting and graft of tRUMP and Kushner knows no limits. And, still, my friends he hasn't been held accountable for anything. tick tick tick....
90-percent
(6,829 posts)hang a few of the assassins he had ordered to kill kashoggi in the first place? murder his own people to make it look like the saudi's weren't the executioners?
-90% Jimmy