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muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 03:38 PM Jul 2021

Manspreading Athwart History Yelling "Stop and Date Me You Filthy Freedom Hating Harlot!!"

Headline, which cannot be improved on, from https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2021/07/manspreading-athwart-history-yelling-stop-and-date-me-you-filthy-freedom-hating-harlot

The National Review makes an utter clown of itself:




"When the bedrock, lead-off of your case is that college students not wanting to date Trump supporters reveals a predilection for infringing on people's rights, you've lost the argument in a way that veers way too close to incel-ville.

Yikes."






"At it's core, this is just a de-religionized version of Sohrab: In order to win the war against society rejecting our ideas, we must curtail the freedoms of those of who disagree with us and have the ability to impact our lives in some way."
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Manspreading Athwart History Yelling "Stop and Date Me You Filthy Freedom Hating Harlot!!" (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Jul 2021 OP
Good lord Jilly_in_VA Jul 2021 #1
Look On The Bright Side COL Mustard Jul 2021 #35
I dunno. Maybe the simpler explanation is that a majority Buns_of_Fire Jul 2021 #2
A researcher really has to go out of ... Whiskeytide Jul 2021 #9
Not being a researcher, I jump there pretty damn fast... Wounded Bear Jul 2021 #11
I think this needs a grant to prove/disprove the hypothesis. Buns_of_Fire Jul 2021 #15
Yep. Combat pay. paleotn Jul 2021 #25
I'll See You $4 Million COL Mustard Jul 2021 #36
You are being very generous, there is so much more about trump voters...racist, ignorant, mysogynist Escurumbele Jul 2021 #27
well sure, Young Trumpers are due their pick of coeds in college. Silly goose... Thomas Hurt Jul 2021 #3
My main problem with that survey is : What the hell is wrong with the 6% that said yes? Jim__ Jul 2021 #4
MTG's and Colorado high school drop out types, probably.. AZ8theist Jul 2021 #18
They did have to survey 20,000 students to get a percentage that high. Hugin Jul 2021 #24
Cue the tiny violins.... Ritabert Jul 2021 #5
It's perfectly ok to not associate with MAGATs. roamer65 Jul 2021 #6
This 10,000 %.... words I've expressed soooo many times the past five years msfiddlestix Jul 2021 #14
"Man-spreading asswarts?" lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #7
So the little man-baby right-wing incels are in a snit because women find their smirkymonkey Jul 2021 #8
And the kicker is that they think that expression of ones own personal opinion, Volaris Jul 2021 #42
from the supporters I've seen... stillcool Jul 2021 #10
I tend to assume all former guy followers are trying to overcompensate for something. So...... Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #12
That's actually not the argument they're making, they're just going about it in a really stupid way. Jedi Guy Jul 2021 #13
Right. By the transitive property of post-truth RWism, if Hortensis Jul 2021 #39
Wait, let me digest this for a minute NickB79 Jul 2021 #16
No self respecting woman wants to be around a psychopath vercetti2021 Jul 2021 #17
Loved the comment "Oh, god. We need salt. Lots of it. Now." TygrBright Jul 2021 #19
K&R! SheltieLover Jul 2021 #20
Such a steaming pile... RainCaster Jul 2021 #21
There it is again. That false equivalency postulation used by so many ultra conservatives. Ford_Prefect Jul 2021 #22
So the vast majority of college-aged women.... SergeStorms Jul 2021 #23
Maybe the young Republicans are just stinking, vulgar incels.... TheRealNorth Jul 2021 #26
Indeed, headline cannot be improved. RW doesn't realize how far out of step with history they are Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2021 #28
The YAF and Ripon Society types were just as hard up in the 60s Warpy Jul 2021 #29
Sounds like an argument taken from the Incels rpannier Jul 2021 #30
So all of a sudden, there's something wrong with wanting to date people who share one's values? ShazzieB Jul 2021 #31
Wow. Talk about Pseudo-Science. Geez. PatrickforB Jul 2021 #32
Question: how much alcohol must one drink before that argle-bargle makes any sense? niyad Jul 2021 #33
As I wrote elsewhere ironman99 Jul 2021 #34
Wastin' away in Maga Incel-World Blue Owl Jul 2021 #37
I'm going to fuck you to protect free speech... Iggo Jul 2021 #38
The group who did the research, SURPRISE! is funded by...Kochs & Scaife! / sarcasm on surprise irisblue Jul 2021 #40
Oh, good grief. crickets Jul 2021 #41
NR is squarely behind the idea of "we must curtail the freedoms of those of who disagree with us" JHB Jul 2021 #43

COL Mustard

(5,897 posts)
35. Look On The Bright Side
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 06:37 PM
Jul 2021

In 40 or so years, they’ll all die out, because they can’t get laid.

And I’m okay with that.


Buns_of_Fire

(17,175 posts)
15. I think this needs a grant to prove/disprove the hypothesis.
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 05:00 PM
Jul 2021

$2 Million should cover it.

$3 Million if I'll be expected to actually come in contact with any of them.

Escurumbele

(3,389 posts)
27. You are being very generous, there is so much more about trump voters...racist, ignorant, mysogynist
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 05:58 PM
Jul 2021

etc., etc....Just imagine their conversation...but yes, they tend to be assholes, at least 90% of them, I do know a few that one can still hold a conversation with them.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
3. well sure, Young Trumpers are due their pick of coeds in college. Silly goose...
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 03:51 PM
Jul 2021

they follow the chosen one, his virility and animal magnetism rubs off don't you know.

malignant narcissists need lovin too, am I right?

AZ8theist

(5,459 posts)
18. MTG's and Colorado high school drop out types, probably..
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 05:19 PM
Jul 2021

..and Repuke chairs who think "chemtrails" exist...

Hugin

(33,135 posts)
24. They did have to survey 20,000 students to get a percentage that high.
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 05:35 PM
Jul 2021

It must have been zero or negative until they hit a pocket of them at Liberty U or someplace. Using the extra wide definition of Ivy League.

Ritabert

(667 posts)
5. Cue the tiny violins....
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 04:00 PM
Jul 2021

What woman in her right mind would want to date a Trump supporter. They're anti-science, anti-gay rights, anti-women's rights and stupid to boot.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
6. It's perfectly ok to not associate with MAGATs.
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 04:02 PM
Jul 2021

Just as proper as not associating with Jim Jones and his Peoples Temple cult.

It’s would also be perfectly fine to discriminate against either cult.

msfiddlestix

(7,281 posts)
14. This 10,000 %.... words I've expressed soooo many times the past five years
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 04:52 PM
Jul 2021

specifically in reference to Jim Jones and his Peoples Temple as analogous to cult followers of tfg.




 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
8. So the little man-baby right-wing incels are in a snit because women find their
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 04:13 PM
Jul 2021

political views (and probably everything else about them, because let's face it, they do kind of have a personality type) morally reprehensible?

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
42. And the kicker is that they think that expression of ones own personal opinion,
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:20 AM
Jul 2021

Is an absolute violation of their freedom to express their own personal opinions.

If you dont wanna get called an asshole, dont ACT like one.

And the tweet is right, that's some incel shit right there. Maybe if you didnt hate women so much, you could get one of them to date you.

Scrivener7

(50,949 posts)
12. I tend to assume all former guy followers are trying to overcompensate for something. So......
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 04:47 PM
Jul 2021

PS: that title is true art. A sonnet. Shakespearean.

Jedi Guy

(3,185 posts)
13. That's actually not the argument they're making, they're just going about it in a really stupid way.
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 04:51 PM
Jul 2021

They're using "would you date a Trump supporter?" survey results to argue that they're being discriminated against in hiring and other arenas. The one doesn't follow from the other, and it's basically a huge non sequitur. Saying "girls won't date me because I'm a Trump supporter" in no way supports the notion that they didn't get X job because they're a Trump supporter.

Even if that were the case, political leanings aren't a protected class like race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. It's just a really, really dumb argument all the way around, but no real surprise there.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
39. Right. By the transitive property of post-truth RWism, if
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 07:47 PM
Jul 2021

college girls don't want to date tRumpists, and employers don't want to hire tRumpists, then college girls are "progressive authoritarian" employers. Or something.

No need for political leanings to be considered, just evaluate for standard qualities HR always searches for such as honesty, trustworthiness, reliability, adequate judgment, working well with others. Etc.

NickB79

(19,236 posts)
16. Wait, let me digest this for a minute
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 05:06 PM
Jul 2021

You're telling me that college women DON'T get all hot and bothered by men telling them they're second-class citizens that need to shut up and go back to making babies and sandwiches?

The HELL you say!

Although it would explain why one of my Rush Limbaugh loving classmates was always driving his shiny Mustang alone and angry, while I was happily driving around for 4 years with college women in my shitty Pontiac.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
17. No self respecting woman wants to be around a psychopath
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 05:18 PM
Jul 2021

I sure as hell wouldn't as a trans woman. I have no time for men or really want anything to do with them since this is how a lot will think. They feel entitled to it. Well sorry boys, you're not. You're losers through and through.

TygrBright

(20,759 posts)
19. Loved the comment "Oh, god. We need salt. Lots of it. Now."
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 05:23 PM
Jul 2021

Every gardener knows what that means.

revoltedly,
Bright

RainCaster

(10,870 posts)
21. Such a steaming pile...
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 05:28 PM
Jul 2021

Really awful ideas presented here. An immediate jump from "I won't date you" to "I won't hire you". All for some political beliefs that are NOT part of a protected class.

Ford_Prefect

(7,895 posts)
22. There it is again. That false equivalency postulation used by so many ultra conservatives.
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 05:33 PM
Jul 2021

When you can't actually think outside the box, invert the equation. In which case you redefine the issue as everyone else's problem. That will show those elitist scum, right?

SergeStorms

(19,199 posts)
23. So the vast majority of college-aged women....
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 05:33 PM
Jul 2021

don't want to date assholes. I'm sure that would have been the case 20 years ago as well. Trump supporters are proud of their dumbfuckedness.

They're far easier to identify as assholes then men of the past. Trump supporters have just made it easier for women to separate the wheat from the chaff. Shouldn't Trump incels be proud not to date women who don't agree with their political views?

Oh, that's right. Trump-humpers believe women are only good for one thing, and that one thing isn't long, elaborate discussions about political ideology.

Trump-humpers; fantasize about Elise Stefanik and shake hands with your little wieners. Relationships with the vast majority of women require some grey matter between your ears, as well as emotions other than lust. You chose celibacy when you chose Trump.

TheRealNorth

(9,478 posts)
26. Maybe the young Republicans are just stinking, vulgar incels....
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 05:54 PM
Jul 2021

That should be spending their money on deodorant instead of AR-15 mags.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
28. Indeed, headline cannot be improved. RW doesn't realize how far out of step with history they are
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 05:59 PM
Jul 2021

Out of step with history and progress.

Leave 'em in our dust and let's carry on building a sustainable diverse world without authoritarians.

One of the best headlines I've seen in many a long day.

Warpy

(111,254 posts)
29. The YAF and Ripon Society types were just as hard up in the 60s
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 06:00 PM
Jul 2021

but part of the problem was that they saw left wing women, hippies or not, as "easy" and treated them that way. Left wing women, thinking of themselves as more than something for a guy in a Ban Lon golf shirt to masturbate into, cut them dead.

This forced them to go after teenagers at their churches. That rarely turned out well for any of them. Hey, marry young, marry often, it's the Republican way.

ShazzieB

(16,389 posts)
31. So all of a sudden, there's something wrong with wanting to date people who share one's values?
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 06:14 PM
Jul 2021

My dating days have been over for decades (47 years of monogamous marriage here), but I seem to recall being advised that it was a good idea to seek out people who share one's basic values as dating and potential relationship prospects. That still makes sense to me, and it also makes sense to me that most women who are smart enough to get into an ivy league school would also be too smart to want to hang out with someone who supports the biggest liar and most corrupt criminal shitweasel to ever taint the oval office with his presence.

As for job discrimination, anyone who displays their political orientation at any point during the hiring process is displaying very bad judgment (because WHO DOES THAT?) and probably should rethink a lot of their life choices.

PatrickforB

(14,572 posts)
32. Wow. Talk about Pseudo-Science. Geez.
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 06:20 PM
Jul 2021

So, we are going to somehow attack the entrenched liberals by limiting the institutional autonomy of colleges and forcing women to go out with Trump supporters.

I guess I'm just not getting it...because it sure doesn't make sense.

niyad

(113,283 posts)
33. Question: how much alcohol must one drink before that argle-bargle makes any sense?
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 06:28 PM
Jul 2021

This has been a long and difficult day, and my little grey cells are hot and tired. But. . . . WTAF did I just try to comprehend??

ironman99

(99 posts)
34. As I wrote elsewhere
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 06:33 PM
Jul 2021

There are only two types of incels: those who have no sexual desire for anyone, and those who lost their sexual organs due to some major trauma.

The crowd that claims to be incel, are not involuntarily celibate, they are voluntarily being f***ing jackasses.

Congratulations to almost all women, including those from the Ivy Leagues, who can recognize that a T****ster or Repubican will never be a good romantic prospect.

irisblue

(32,969 posts)
40. The group who did the research, SURPRISE! is funded by...Kochs & Scaife! / sarcasm on surprise
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 08:00 PM
Jul 2021

FIRE has received funding from the Bradley Foundation, Sarah Scaife Foundation, and the Charles Koch Institute.[1]

from their wiki...The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) is a non-profit group founded in 1999 that focuses on protecting free speech rights on college campuses in the United States.[1] Its goal is "to defend and sustain individual rights at America's colleges and universities," including the rights to "freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience".[2]

crickets

(25,969 posts)
41. Oh, good grief.
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 09:24 PM
Jul 2021

"I'm not interested. Go away!" is not political discrimination.

Also, progressive authoritarianism is an oxymoron.

JHB

(37,159 posts)
43. NR is squarely behind the idea of "we must curtail the freedoms of those of who disagree with us"
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:41 AM
Jul 2021

It's not as if they object to voter suppression or union busting.

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