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Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 07:36 PM Jul 2021

Aging Condos Are a 'Ticking Time Bomb' and Need More Oversight

It’s not just condominium buildings that are showing their age, as was the case in the deadly collapse of a condo in Surfside, Fla. The condominium form of ownership itself is under strain. Some condo buildings are even being “de-converted” to rental properties—including the 391-unit 1400 North Lake Shore Dr. in Chicago, which was bought by a New York developer in 2019 for about $107 million.

Some economists argue that the U.S. and other countries made a mistake by going too heavily into condos and related forms of ownership, including housing co-ops and homeowner associations, in the decades after World War II. Some 73.9 million Americans lived in condos, housing co-ops, and HOAs in 2019, according to the Foundation for Community Association Research. The shared form of ownership is also popular in Europe, Israel, Australia, China, and Russia, among other parts of the world, says Amnon Lehavi, dean of the Harry Radzyner Law School of IDC Herzliya in Israel.
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The rap on condos is that owners and the boards they elect are poorly equipped to make important decisions about maintenance. “Association homeowners and boards often are focused on keeping regular assessments low and only investing in visible, immediate outcomes,” says Breaking Point: Examining Aging Infrastructure in Community Associations, a 2020 report by the Foundation for Community Association Research.

This bit from the report will sound familiar to condo owners: “While homeowners will tolerate a modest special assessment in an emergency, evidence in this study suggests that it’s often hard to convince them to contribute to long-term maintenance, i.e., higher regular assessments. Substantial special assessments are particularly unwelcome.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-06/aging-condos-are-a-ticking-time-bomb-and-need-more-oversight

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edhopper

(33,579 posts)
5. Because yours was built as apartments
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 07:54 PM
Jul 2021

With an owner that wanted it to stay intact.
These new condos are built to last as long as it takes for the owner to sell all the units and get out.

Scrivener7

(50,949 posts)
7. Yes, and we maintain it lovingly, but it does make you wonder. And the dynamic of
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 09:34 PM
Jul 2021

the owners not wanting big assessments is very true. We need new windows, but getting agreement on that is like pulling teeth.

Our board has scheduled a detailed inspection in response to Florida. As I am sure a LOT of others have too.

hlthe2b

(102,267 posts)
2. We are going to see decades of $$$ repercussions from RW anti-regulatory policies
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 07:42 PM
Jul 2021

from building issues, degradation, and uninhabitable properties with climate change to our crumbling infrastructure and power grids.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
3. It's not so much regulation as the fact that a condo is a little democracy
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 07:48 PM
Jul 2021

The problem with democracy is that more than half the people aren't content unless they are living beyond their means and deep in debt.

That includes "maintenance debt" due to years of neglect and lack of respect for "a stitch in time saves nine".

Condos are a little version of the Federal government which has been spending money on vanity projects like Afghanistan and not spending money to maintain and improve American infrastructure.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
6. Yes. FL law allowed our mobile home cooperative to opt out of maintaining
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 08:51 PM
Jul 2021

reserve funds against emergencies. There are regulations in place that help those that do maintain reserves keep it up, building the funds over decades, in spite of the obvious incentives against requiring owners to pay in each month.

I don't know anything about the quality of such laws, but in this case we're talking is FL, and the situation changes with conditions, so I assume there's an important job for governnment to do in requiring better planning for obsolescence and creating/improving/upgrading regulations and enforcing them.

keithbvadu2

(36,799 posts)
8. built deliberately short-changing long-term maintenance for quick profits.
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 11:25 PM
Jul 2021

Yes. Here is an article describing how condos were built deliberately short-changing long-term maintenance for quick profits.

https://democraticunderground.com/100215585760

How The Reagan Revolution Collapsed America & the Florida Condo

Condo fees

https://hartmannreport.com/p/how-the-reagan-revolution-collapsed

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
9. He makes zero links
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 02:33 AM
Jul 2021

between Regan policies and deferred maintenance in condos, and rather just tries to use them as a tortured metaphor. I'm not sure its useful because the modern Condo form happened in the 60's, and this particular condo opened just months after the start of his presidency.

Condo's developments had friends on both sides of the aisle because they also provided for low cost housing compared to single family homes.

betsuni

(25,519 posts)
10. I thought this was about aging condors as ticking time bombs -- like "The Birds"?
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 02:43 AM
Jul 2021

Then remembered the door buzzard thread. Oh wait, it'd condos. Never mind.

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