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TexasTowelie

(112,125 posts)
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 01:40 AM Jul 2021

Trump told chief of staff Hitler 'did a lot of good things', book says

On a visit to Europe to mark the 100th anniversary of the end of the first world war, Donald Trump insisted to his then chief of staff, John Kelly: “Well, Hitler did a lot of good things.”

The remark from the former US president on the 2018 trip, which reportedly “stunned” Kelly, a retired US Marine Corps general, is reported in a new book by Michael Bender of the Wall Street Journal.

Frankly, We Did Win This Election has been widely trailed ahead of publication next week. The Guardian obtained a copy.

Bender reports that Trump made the remark during an impromptu history lesson in which Kelly “reminded the president which countries were on which side during the conflict” and “connected the dots from the first world war to the second world war and all of Hitler’s atrocities”.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/06/donald-trump-hitler-michael-bender-book

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Trump told chief of staff Hitler 'did a lot of good things', book says (Original Post) TexasTowelie Jul 2021 OP
Of course he did. Nevilledog Jul 2021 #1
Trump probably thought Germany beat the Japanese in WWII (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2021 #2
He Knew It Wasn't Over When The Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor COL Mustard Jul 2021 #14
Well one day... Murphyb849 Jul 2021 #3
Really do DMC452 Jul 2021 #4
welcome to DU gopiscrap Jul 2021 #28
Trump is not only a fool but a big-mouthed fool. patricia92243 Jul 2021 #5
Does John Kelly have even an ounce of self-respect? Bleacher Creature Jul 2021 #6
I feel the same about Kelly as you... slightlv Jul 2021 #10
Trump absolutely had zero respect of the "office" Skittles Jul 2021 #12
I agree with you BeerBarrelPolka Jul 2021 #20
This is hardly surprising. But if you asked T for some examples he wouldn't be able to give any captain queeg Jul 2021 #7
Well, he certainly admired Hitler's use of language to manipulate & studied it hlthe2b Jul 2021 #23
Trump is so ignorant about U.S. and.... SergeStorms Jul 2021 #8
I'd say for sure the former guy got a lot of that from it's dad. n/t brewens Jul 2021 #9
He and his ilk were fond of Mussolini's corporate fascism, too William Seger Jul 2021 #11
Hitler was the first national leader to champion certain ideas we use today . . . Journeyman Jul 2021 #13
If Hitler had actually abided to his 25-year non-aggression treaty with Russia, DemocraticPatriot Jul 2021 #17
Hitler 'did a lot of good things' ??!! DemocraticPatriot Jul 2021 #15
Trump's role model is fascists like Hitler and Mussolini UCmeNdc Jul 2021 #16
He already tried... once... DemocraticPatriot Jul 2021 #18
A dear friend with German roots once told me the same thing. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2021 #19
Not surprised. As of late, being hearing this quite a bit. Behind the Aegis Jul 2021 #21
Who? ColinC Jul 2021 #22
Is anyone surprised? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2021 #24
I don't doubt it. nt jalan48 Jul 2021 #25
Has Kelly confirmed this? WarGamer Jul 2021 #26
Of Course colsohlibgal Jul 2021 #27

Murphyb849

(572 posts)
3. Well one day...
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 01:55 AM
Jul 2021

Trump and Hitler will get to hang out in a place with no begining or end, no doors and no diet coke. 🔥

DMC452

(1 post)
4. Really do
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 02:02 AM
Jul 2021

I think trump might have wanted to like Hitler in some way, He once said if we have nuclear weapons, why can't we use them? or send sick people to Guantanamo bay

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
6. Does John Kelly have even an ounce of self-respect?
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 02:18 AM
Jul 2021

How many horrible, anti-American things does he have to hear from Trump to speak out, beyond just a generic "he said some shocking things" admission? Trump allegedly made the "suckers and losers" comment at the grave of Kelly's son, and yet Kelly stayed on the job and never spoke out publicly. And now this comes out, and again Kelly never spoke out. I don't know how that guy looks in the mirror each day.

slightlv

(2,787 posts)
10. I feel the same about Kelly as you...
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 03:06 AM
Jul 2021

but this is a died-in-the-wool military man of the "older generation." I actually think of him as one generation before me. The rules and regulations and hierarchy are to be obeyed to the nth degree. The comment at the grave no doubt cut Kelly to the quick; but it was his Commander-in-Chief that said the words; no way could he have spoken back to him... nor would his son.

Being a veteran, myself, and working afterwards in DoD, I can tell you the respect is to the office - not the man. And one dares not disrespect the office. Doesn't mean the words that are uttered (or not spoken) hurt any less. Just don't expect Kelly to ever "dis" Trump; it's absolutely not in his DNA.

Meanwhile, I don't know what *I* as a little younger Veteran, am suppose to do with the white hot rage I feel towards Trump and the Insurrectionists, and what they want to do to the country I defended. I'm suppose to suppress my feelings towards a traitor? I absolutely believe Trump should be arrested immediately, put on trial for treason, and sentenced to either death or hard time in life in prison. I personally am against the death penalty; I can make an exception for traitors who've sold out our country and continue to be a National Security threat (which I wholeheartedly believe Trump to be).

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
12. Trump absolutely had zero respect of the "office"
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 03:21 AM
Jul 2021

Kelly should have called him out - they ALL should have called him out, before he was able to do so much damage. Heck, Trump is STILL a wrecking ball - why the hell can't people like Kelly speak out NOW?

BeerBarrelPolka

(1,202 posts)
20. I agree with you
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 05:31 AM
Jul 2021

Kelly's oath was to the the Constitution. It was not to a "man" or to the office of the presidency. What Kelly did was inexcusable and as anti-American as it gets. A true patriot would have resigned and immediately went public with all the trash Trump was doing. Instead, Kelly lied to all of us, and helped be an enabler to an enemy occupant.

captain queeg

(10,171 posts)
7. This is hardly surprising. But if you asked T for some examples he wouldn't be able to give any
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 02:29 AM
Jul 2021

Because what he really admired about Hitler was that he was a ruthless dictator. But T’s knowledge of history was limited to comic books and jingoistic war movies. He wouldn’t be able to tell you how the war started, all the countries involved, or how America became involved.

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
23. Well, he certainly admired Hitler's use of language to manipulate & studied it
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 07:09 AM
Jul 2021

You can't tell me that reading Hitler's speeches (as Ivana claimed he did) has not been emulated to incite and motivate his cult.

SergeStorms

(19,193 posts)
8. Trump is so ignorant about U.S. and....
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 02:35 AM
Jul 2021

world history he probably couldn't pass a 5th grade history test. Yet he boasts that "nobody knows more about history than I do", making himself look like the biggest fool on the planet. Of course his brain-dead acolytes believe everything he says, so I guess they're the biggest fools on the planet.

Journeyman

(15,031 posts)
13. Hitler was the first national leader to champion certain ideas we use today . . .
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 03:32 AM
Jul 2021

but his support of these "progressive ideals" must always be tempered with the knowledge of what he intended them for.

He was the first national leader to advocate universal physical fitness among both the youth and the adult population.
He was the first national leader to commission the building of an interstate highway system.
He was the first national leader to pursue fuel-efficient transportation for the masses -- the Volkswagen.
He was the first national leader to organize an anti-smoking campaign and to pursue health coverage for all citizens.

His purpose for these ideals, however, negate their limited usefulness under the Third Reich.

He needed physically fit soldiers for his wars and strong workers for his armaments factories. The initial autobahn routes went mainly west to east, supply lines for an extended two front war. Fuel efficiency for the masses ensured the Wehrmacht would have the resources it needed for the struggles ahead. And a healthy, outwardly happy populace was needed for the support of the master race he envisioned whose fathers would be the SS. Universal health care* also ensured universal knowledge of those who had debilitating, terminal conditions, so their "removal" could be more readily facilitated.

There are other examples, but it's late and Hitler bores me.


*Hitler contemplated during the war the introduction of a National Health Bill: "After national X·ray examination. the Fuehrer is to be given a list of sick persons, particularly those with lung and heart diseases. On the basis of the new Reich Health Law ... these families will no longer be able to remain among the public and can no longer be allowed to produce children. What will happen to these families will be the subject of further orders of the Fuehrer." It does not need much imagination to guess what these further orders would have been. The number of people no longer allowed "to remain among the public" would have formed a considerable portion of the German population.

- Hannah Arendt, Origins of Totalitarianism

DemocraticPatriot

(4,343 posts)
17. If Hitler had actually abided to his 25-year non-aggression treaty with Russia,
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 04:21 AM
Jul 2021

where would we be now ??

His shortcomings as a military strategist quite possibly saved the world... for the time being.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,343 posts)
15. Hitler 'did a lot of good things' ??!!
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 04:15 AM
Jul 2021

Now we know for sure who the fascists are-- as if we needed more evidence, from the guy who reportedly kept a copy of Hitler's "Mein Kampf" by his bedside...

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
16. Trump's role model is fascists like Hitler and Mussolini
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 04:15 AM
Jul 2021

Trump would overthrow the US government and install himself and his family as permanent leaders if allowed to.

Trump hates democracy and one person one vote.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,110 posts)
19. A dear friend with German roots once told me the same thing.
Wed Jul 7, 2021, 04:48 AM
Jul 2021

I've had a different view of her ever since. She's an executive at Morgan Stanley. But as a NYC woman, she loathes "Throwup".

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
27. Of Course
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 12:11 AM
Jul 2021

Not shocking at all that he admires that evil mass murderer and all the damage and death he brought about.

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