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Infant in critical condition after being mauled by a dog in Corpus Christi (Original Post) Goodheart Jul 2021 OP
The article says pitbull mix. So even mixes are bad now? WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #1
"Any dog can lose its shit at any time." is simply not true. Goodheart Jul 2021 #2
How much of a mix is bad? WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #3
Any. Goodheart Jul 2021 #4
A one-drop rule, eh? WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #5
Pitts and Rotts are killers of half the small children and babies Hortensis Jul 2021 #44
Thanks, Hortensis Hekate Jul 2021 #63
What part of leaving a kid unsupervised with a strange dog is the dog's fault? davsand Jul 2021 #11
All adults who were present were certainly at fault, but that doesn't mean a pit bull is not Goodheart Jul 2021 #13
Post removed Post removed Jul 2021 #37
It's a pattern. MoonRiver Jul 2021 #40
+++ The same attitude towards certain dog breeds while ignoring parental irresponsibility hlthe2b Jul 2021 #17
The story doesn't say the kid and the dog were unsupervised. nt. Mariana Jul 2021 #41
Yes, they can Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #48
Yep. Wasn't there a recent story about a chihuahua biting someone in the face? Treefrog Jul 2021 #9
Even if the dog is familiar with the baby it only takes a second. Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #47
Ban the breed, like many other civilized countries have already. nt LexVegas Jul 2021 #6
So what happens with pits that are already owned by people? vercetti2021 Jul 2021 #12
Make it mandatory that they're all spayed or neutered PTWB Jul 2021 #15
So fine me for owning one? vercetti2021 Jul 2021 #20
Yes. Goodheart Jul 2021 #22
Yes to what? vercetti2021 Jul 2021 #27
If the breed is banned you won't have much choice PTWB Jul 2021 #29
I would vercetti2021 Jul 2021 #30
I doubt that course of action would go well for you or your pup PTWB Jul 2021 #35
Why? Xoan Jul 2021 #38
Its sad indeed vercetti2021 Jul 2021 #7
My husband and I have rescued 2 APBT among the 20+ dogs we have rescued in the last 26 years. marie999 Jul 2021 #8
Cheewinie? That's a new one. Gonna have to look tat one up. Dream Girl Jul 2021 #25
The truth is there are a lot of really sweet pits out there. leftyladyfrommo Jul 2021 #10
I've witnessed a "sweet pit bull" turn against its own human family Goodheart Jul 2021 #14
I wouldn't have a pitbull. Why? There are so many breeds leftyladyfrommo Jul 2021 #16
Lots of dogs are funny over their food bowls. leftyladyfrommo Jul 2021 #19
Good lord, why on earth would you or anyone watch as a toddler got close to a dog's food bowl? WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #21
So now you blame the owners for "setting up the sweet little pit tie to fail" Dream Girl Jul 2021 #23
I do indeed. The highest responsibility of a dog owner is to ensure the dog doesn't fail. Putting it WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #28
See you get it vercetti2021 Jul 2021 #33
You really have to watch babies. leftyladyfrommo Jul 2021 #51
ANY breed can bite. It usually doesn't get reported 'cause it's not a sexy headline. davsand Jul 2021 #31
Sure, other breeds bite but few of those breeds carry through to fatal attacks. Goodheart Jul 2021 #54
It's definitely part of the breed DenaliDemocrat Jul 2021 #69
The story doesn't say that the baby was left alone with the dog. nt. Mariana Jul 2021 #42
I'd never really paid much attention MissB Jul 2021 #49
Sounds like our rescue pup, who was described as a "Lab mix" & turned out to be a Dobie mix... Hekate Jul 2021 #64
He's actually a big lovey dog MissB Jul 2021 #66
Zima had her positive points. We got her for my son when he was 15 & she thought he was God. ... Hekate Jul 2021 #67
Pitbulls have earned their reputation. Sneederbunk Jul 2021 #18
And, sadly, that's exactly why a large percentage of their owners have them. Goodheart Jul 2021 #24
Yes they have. Should just let the breed die out. There's nothing inhumane or cruel about that PortTack Jul 2021 #26
Had a large cat that I would never leave with a child. The cat would warn them to stay back, but Hoyt Jul 2021 #32
All working dogs can nip. haele Jul 2021 #34
Agree. This chart shows the futility of trying to determine breeds without a DNA test. Doremus Jul 2021 #68
The breed involved is less important than the fact that we do a terrible job of ms liberty Jul 2021 #36
Like racists ... Xoan Jul 2021 #39
Seriously? So your saying being punched by a black or brown Phoenix61 Jul 2021 #43
That's the main problem with Disaffected Jul 2021 #45
Problem is their drives DenaliDemocrat Jul 2021 #56
... LexVegas Jul 2021 #50
WTF Goodheart Jul 2021 #59
People need to stop having their dogs around babies Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #46
Here are some statistics. leftyladyfrommo Jul 2021 #52
So, pitbulls 6x as many deaths as the nearest breed Goodheart Jul 2021 #53
You have to keep in mind that there are 4.5 million leftyladyfrommo Jul 2021 #55
Dogbites is a biased unscientific site. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #58
I have a German Shepard. ismnotwasm Jul 2021 #57
The trouble with GSD statistics is that so many leftyladyfrommo Jul 2021 #60
Am I the only one? DVRacer Jul 2021 #61
Not only that, their same arguments could be used to harbor tigers and bears and what not. Goodheart Jul 2021 #65
This happened the night of the 4th of July mnhtnbb Jul 2021 #62

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,909 posts)
1. The article says pitbull mix. So even mixes are bad now?
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 09:45 AM
Jul 2021

Any dog can lose its shit at any time. A baby comes to visit, the dogs should be sent out of the room if they're not familiar with them.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,909 posts)
5. A one-drop rule, eh?
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 09:53 AM
Jul 2021

So should dog owners get their dogs tested to see if there's any pitbull blood in them?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
44. Pitts and Rotts are killers of half the small children and babies
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 12:28 PM
Jul 2021

killed by dogs in this nation. Virtually every one of these tragedities occured with an adult or adults right there who were unable to save them, though many were injured desperately trying to save their babies.

Sensible parents and family remove tablecloths and heavy objects that can be pulled down on little bodies, they pad furniture, put up gates, lock cabinets, and cover outlets, and they do many other things to make their children safe, even though individually they're unlikely to kill. And they choose family dogs that aren't on the short list of most likely to kill.

Btw, I actually knew someone whose dog got out of the yard and attacked and killed a woman out for her morning walk. One guess what breed.

davsand

(13,424 posts)
11. What part of leaving a kid unsupervised with a strange dog is the dog's fault?
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:06 AM
Jul 2021

Peeves me greatly to see anybody blaming a specific breed of dog for dumbass owners.






Laura

Goodheart

(5,724 posts)
13. All adults who were present were certainly at fault, but that doesn't mean a pit bull is not
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:19 AM
Jul 2021

excessively dangerous in society.

Response to Goodheart (Reply #13)

hlthe2b

(103,675 posts)
17. +++ The same attitude towards certain dog breeds while ignoring parental irresponsibility
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:29 AM
Jul 2021

reminds me of the ridiculous NRA propaganda about "guns not killing" as though the guns in the hands of irresponsible or murderous HUMANS don't kill an unmatched number of humans in this country compared to the rest of the world.

Marrah_Goodman

(1,586 posts)
48. Yes, they can
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 01:00 PM
Jul 2021

My bfs family had their dog from the time she was a tiny puppy. I remember the day she came home. She was well trained and very loved. The child was 18 months old sitting at her dad's feet. The dog flipped a switch, bounded over and took a chunk out of her neck. She almost died, literally.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
9. Yep. Wasn't there a recent story about a chihuahua biting someone in the face?
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:01 AM
Jul 2021

It caused damage to an adult and I would imagine could hurt a baby quite badly. I wouldn’t leave a baby in potential danger like that with any animal.

Meanwhile, there’s a pit sitting beside me on the couch, curled up beside his two terrier friends. He’s a big sweet cuddle baby, scared of his own shadow.

vercetti2021

(10,250 posts)
12. So what happens with pits that are already owned by people?
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:08 AM
Jul 2021

Do they round them up in camps and kill them?

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
15. Make it mandatory that they're all spayed or neutered
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:24 AM
Jul 2021

And in a few years start imposing heavy fines for pit Bull ownership.

vercetti2021

(10,250 posts)
7. Its sad indeed
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 09:59 AM
Jul 2021

But why is the breed always brought up? And normally when its brought up. It's a pitbull. Any dog given the wrong envirnoment can go nuclear. A rot, dalmatian, or shepard. I feel bringing up the breed is a always a deterrent.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
8. My husband and I have rescued 2 APBT among the 20+ dogs we have rescued in the last 26 years.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:01 AM
Jul 2021

They were as loving as any dogs we have had. We know that they can't be trusted with people or other animals so they were kept in separate locked enclosures but we would spend time with them every day. We also had a Chiweenie that had his separate locked enclosure for the same reason.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,998 posts)
10. The truth is there are a lot of really sweet pits out there.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:05 AM
Jul 2021

And there's a possibility that it's the mixes may be more dangerous depending on what they are mixed with. Sometimes pits are mixed with other dangerous breeds because people want a vicious guard dog. They mix pits and presa de canarios or something like that.



People should never leave babies with dogs. There was a case where a pomeranian killed an infant. Dogs can't read babies.

I would trust a pit over an American bulldog anyday.

I won't let my border collies anywhere near little kids. They've never been around kids. And kids do dumb things. They stick their faces right down into dog's faces.

There are clues that dogs are getting too aggressive and a lot of owners ignore it. And they shouldn't. The time to be really observant is when the dog hits puberty. That's when the aggression starts to show. If they aren't people aggressive they can become very dog aggressive.



Goodheart

(5,724 posts)
14. I've witnessed a "sweet pit bull" turn against its own human family
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:22 AM
Jul 2021

when the toddler got too close to its food bowl.

They snap.

I wonder why so many people think it's mere coincidence that almost all these horror mauling stories involve pit bulls?

leftyladyfrommo

(18,998 posts)
16. I wouldn't have a pitbull. Why? There are so many breeds
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:28 AM
Jul 2021

to choose from.

The problem is that if your dog did attack someone you would lose everything. You would be sued for everything you own. You would lose your job. You would spend time in jail and have to pay a huge fine.

And you would have to live with awful guilt for the rest of your life.

Not worth the risk.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,998 posts)
19. Lots of dogs are funny over their food bowls.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:30 AM
Jul 2021

You really have to watch that. Even small dogs can do a lot of damage.

My dogs eat in their crates.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,909 posts)
21. Good lord, why on earth would you or anyone watch as a toddler got close to a dog's food bowl?
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:35 AM
Jul 2021

Setting a dog up to fail is a great way to see it fail.

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
23. So now you blame the owners for "setting up the sweet little pit tie to fail"
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:43 AM
Jul 2021

Listen to yourself.No thoughts for concern for the kid.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,909 posts)
28. I do indeed. The highest responsibility of a dog owner is to ensure the dog doesn't fail. Putting it
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:58 AM
Jul 2021

in situations that have a high failure rate no matter the training of the dog or familiarity with the kid -- such as a toddler near a food bowl -- is irresponsible. It's never a surprise when bad parenting goes hand in hand with bad pet ownership, as well.

vercetti2021

(10,250 posts)
33. See you get it
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 11:19 AM
Jul 2021

I hate when people put all the blame on the dog than the fucking dumbass owners. My pitty is a two year old sweetie that was trained for dog fighting. She was 20 pounds when they rescued her. She is now 80 pounds and is extremely loving and a huge baby. She's been around kids and normally she is scared of them. But eventually she'll go and lay next to them for pets with our supervision. But the kids know to not do anything to hurt her or else should could react. But people love to put pits all into one category as bad and needs to die off. And it triggers me to death when people suggest that they need to be banned. If that were the case, then all breeds would be banned because breed doesn't mean shit when the dog is put into a position like that. Doesn't matter at all.

But fuck if everyone jumps onto the dog and blames the dog. I'm sad for the child of course, but blame the fucking stupid parents where the blame should be lied.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,998 posts)
51. You really have to watch babies.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 01:42 PM
Jul 2021

I see these vudeos on YouTube where people are letting toddlers maul their dogs and they think it's so cute and I just cringe.

davsand

(13,424 posts)
31. ANY breed can bite. It usually doesn't get reported 'cause it's not a sexy headline.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:59 AM
Jul 2021

Some of the most bite prone dogs I've ever known personally were dachshunds and Chihuahuas. I've known a couple animal shelter managers as well as animal control officers and kennel folks, and oddly enough it's not the pitties they talk about when it comes to biting. Responsible pet ownership is the root of the issue, not the specific breed.

Here's a couple thoughts for anybody that wants to clutch their pearls over specific breeds:

1. Is the dog running loose and unsupervised? That is probably not the dog of a responsible pet owner. STAY AWAY.
2. Does the dog have a prior record of biting? I refer you back to #1.

The issue is not the dog breed it's irresponsible owners with an uncontrolled animal. My dad used to make the comment that if you wanted to train an animal you needed to be smarter than the animal. Dad was right.


Laura

Goodheart

(5,724 posts)
54. Sure, other breeds bite but few of those breeds carry through to fatal attacks.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 02:23 PM
Jul 2021

The issue IS the dog breed.

What's funny here is that your argument could be extended to ownership of tigers and bears.

DenaliDemocrat

(1,493 posts)
69. It's definitely part of the breed
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:18 PM
Jul 2021

Houndsmen, birddoggers, ranchers, and police officers all recognize that certain breeds are genetically inclined to temperament and tasks. It’s why walkers don’t tree slick very often, English pointers find quail, farm collies herd cattle, and Malinois stop the bad guys.

Pit bull owners live in fairy fucking land. I would love to hear a owner say, yep - I have a powerful dog with very high prey drives and low thresholds. I understand it and I manage the dog accordingly. See, THAT is called responsible dog ownership

MissB

(15,838 posts)
49. I'd never really paid much attention
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 01:04 PM
Jul 2021

to American Bulldogs until I found out my lab mix puppy had a fair amount of American bulldog in him.

He’s about 30% lab, 30% American bulldog and equally split the rest of his DNA between mastiff, Weimaraner and German shepherd.

He’s a big dog. 90 lbs of pure muscle. We worked one on one with a trainer for over a year to train us to understand him and his limitations. (We adopted him as an 8-week old puppy.)

I trust him with us. I trust him with my brother and spouse and their dogs. I trust him with a couple of friends and their dogs. Everyone else gets a careful introduction, and close supervision. He’s protective but not aggressive. However his potential to cause harm is big, just by his size not his personality. His training is meant to make him a good canine citizen but he’s not a lab.

Hekate

(92,540 posts)
64. Sounds like our rescue pup, who was described as a "Lab mix" & turned out to be a Dobie mix...
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 06:56 PM
Jul 2021

She had a screw loose. Her life was incredibly restricted — very much as your dog’s is. She was trained. She was watched. She was loved — and she loved me back. But she was not trustworthy. During the year that we ended up with 4 little dogs in the house at the same time she was in residence, I watched her like a hawk and at the least sign of stress she was escorted to the gated side yard. Whenever we had visitors, she was in the gated side yard. Visitors who came to the front door were greeted with a ferocious attempt to claw the door down. I won’t go on — you obviously know how it is. She was not a Lab.

MissB

(15,838 posts)
66. He's actually a big lovey dog
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 08:18 PM
Jul 2021

But he’s so big that he actually scares a lot of people that come over. He does have the run of the house as well as some of the yard but we are super careful when there are others here with the exception of the aforementioned people. He just has such a deep woofy bark.

He has a goofy younger brother pup (much smaller, topping out at 45 lbs). They wrestle together inside and out and sit on the back lawn chewing bones together. We have a cat that rules them both, and he doesn’t bother our dozen hens (the other pup is a bird dog, so I’m more worried about younger brother pup with the hens). I can take him to parks and coffee shops, because that’s not our yard and he’s not at all protective. He does great with the off leash unfenced dog park and goes up and happily greets everyone.

We are currently fencing much of the half acre so they have full run of the property. It requires a lot of gates and a lot of beware of dogs signs but it’s worth it to give them both more room to run and play.

He’d defend it though. We’ve seen his protective side when a drunk tried to open our locked doors at 2 am.

He fears raised platforms over water, and the woods are scary to him at night. I can’t say “hey” to my husband because that sounds too much like “hi” and he thinks someone made it through the door without him noticing and he’ll start barking. He goes right to his platform bed when told and woofs quietly until we release him.

We’ve had contractors around here for about 6 weeks now, and he woofs at them when they arrive and then ignores their presence for the day. The next morning he has to check them out again and then is quiet, even when they come to the door. We tell him each morning that it’s fine, we know they’re here, and he quiets right down.

He’s so big that I worry that he won’t be around as long as I want him to be.

Hekate

(92,540 posts)
67. Zima had her positive points. We got her for my son when he was 15 & she thought he was God. ...
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 09:22 PM
Jul 2021

On that basis, if no other, she always had a home with me — kind of like Robert Frost’s Hired Man: “home is where when you go there, they have to take you in.”

As I read the newspaper at the kitchen table, Zima would walk by and kiss my elbow, every time.

One of our little dogs at the time was my daughter’s Jack Russell/Pomeranian mix, who was all of 5 pounds and pure Alpha Dog. Watching those two dogs interact was hilarious. 💕

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
32. Had a large cat that I would never leave with a child. The cat would warn them to stay back, but
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 11:12 AM
Jul 2021

the kids wouldn't heed the warning.

The cat took one particularly aggravating 4 year old down from behind as he ran away at the last moment. Fortunately, the cat didn't otherwise maul them.

haele

(12,901 posts)
34. All working dogs can nip.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 11:21 AM
Jul 2021

We had a yellow lab/Aussie Shepherd mix and when she would get excited or the herding instinct kicked in, she might nip. Not bite, nip.
And because she was a medium sized dog that was cream and tan and barrel chested, people automatically assumed she was a pit bull mix, even though her head and jaw line was classic yellow lab.
She was not very smart, and she was a sweet girl, but again, she had the instinct to nip at inappropriate times, like when people came to the front door, or she just got off leash at the dog park and wanted to herd the small dogs.

All working dogs have a developed nip instinct or a bite instinct depending on what they were bred to do. Even "gentle" breeds like retrievers or St. Bernards, who were bred to find and "mouth" their prey clear of obstacles in good shape for their handlers are capable of biting when triggered.
And if they're in a pack, they're even more dangerous. Our family St. Bernard's sire had to be put down after he got out and ran with a small pack of neighbor dogs one night -mauling several smaller dogs and a child before they got caught. None of the other dogs were considered aggressive breeds, either, but they were all put down.

It's foolish to think just a handful of dog breeds are dangerous. All dogs have the capability of being dangerous.

Haele


ms liberty

(9,039 posts)
36. The breed involved is less important than the fact that we do a terrible job of
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 11:32 AM
Jul 2021

Monitoring our pet and child interactions. Most of our population has little to no idea how to train or handle their dogs, and even less about how to teach their children how to behave and handle their pets. They get the dog for the wrong reasons, they pick the wrong breed, and the wrong size, they train it badly or not at all, and then they blame it on the dog. Not all breeds should be owned by anyone. I've always had GSD's; they're in the top five on the list of biters, and it's well earned.
I have always felt every kindergarten or preschool should teach kids how to handle all animals, but particularly dogs, both those they know and those they don't know.

Phoenix61

(17,241 posts)
43. Seriously? So your saying being punched by a black or brown
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 12:01 PM
Jul 2021

person is deadlier than being punched by a white person? Pits were bred to have a strong prey drive and to bite once and hang on. That’s the nature of the breed. A dachshund couldn’t do the same level of damage if it wanted to.

Disaffected

(4,744 posts)
45. That's the main problem with
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 12:51 PM
Jul 2021

pit/bull dogs IMO - they have very strong jaws and as a result, if they attack, can do a lot more damage than other breeds. The hanging on also seems to be a characteristic more prevalent in such breeds. There used to be an old saying "sticks like a bulldog to a root".

Listened to a veterinarian once upon a time (from Alabama IIRC) who had made a study of dog inflicted injuries throughout the US. His conclusion was that the pit bull breeds are indeed much more likely to attack and injure humans. Whether that is mostly due to nature or nurture however is another question I guess but the stats remain.

DenaliDemocrat

(1,493 posts)
56. Problem is their drives
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 03:04 PM
Jul 2021

They cannot contain their prey drive. It leaks and when paired with a powerful dog, it’s devastating

Marrah_Goodman

(1,586 posts)
46. People need to stop having their dogs around babies
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 12:56 PM
Jul 2021

Babies are fragile. It only takes a second for a switch to flip in that dogs head....no matter how long you have had the dog or how good you think they are. Only takes a second.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,998 posts)
52. Here are some statistics.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 02:11 PM
Jul 2021

Between 2005 and 2017

Pitbulls. 284 deaths
Rottweilers. 45 deaths
German Shepherds. 20 deaths
American bulldogs. 15 deaths
Mastiff. 14 deaths
Husky. 13 deaths




#1 breed for biting was the Labrador Retriever.
4.7 million dog bites a year for all breeds
75 to 85 % are free range

Meanest dogs:

Chihuahuas
Daschunds
Chows
Doberman
Dalmations
Rottweilers
German Shepherds
Pittbulls
Huskies

This information is from Dogbites and Canine Companion

The moral of the story is dog owners need to take responsibility for their dogs and keep them away from situations where they might bite.

Goodheart

(5,724 posts)
53. So, pitbulls 6x as many deaths as the nearest breed
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 02:21 PM
Jul 2021

Even though they're far from the most popular breed.

They're not preferred by their owners because "they're sweet", because almost all dogs are. They're liked precisely because they're dangerous and others fear them.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,998 posts)
55. You have to keep in mind that there are 4.5 million
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 02:39 PM
Jul 2021

Pittbulls in the US. They are 5.8% of the canine population.

Your chances of getting killed by one are pretty slim.

But you are right. A lot of people get them because they want a macho dog and then they have no idea how to train and handle a dog like that. Those dogs can pull 1500 pounds. So even if they are on a leash they are just about impossible to hold back. And they react really fast and once they go into aggression mode you can't stop them.

I work with dogs all the time and I won't touch any of the bully breeds except the little ones and Old English. I am not big enough or strong enough to handle them.

I read that the fastest growing breed is the Presa Canario which is a pittbull on speed. No one but an experienced handler should have one of those dogs but macho guys want them.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,998 posts)
60. The trouble with GSD statistics is that so many
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 04:54 PM
Jul 2021

do jobs where they need to bite. Like guard dogs and police dogs. But GSD can be really protective. Sometimes overly so.

DVRacer

(723 posts)
61. Am I the only one?
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 05:04 PM
Jul 2021

The excuses from people wanting to own pit bulls and when they attack are the same as AR-15 people. Read the comments above and substitute one for the other.
I’m not saying nobody should own either but it’s extraordinary how similar the debate is.

mnhtnbb

(31,606 posts)
62. This happened the night of the 4th of July
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 06:22 PM
Jul 2021

The article says nothing about whether fireworks were being set off in the neighborhood, where the baby was, how the dog was able to get to it.

Adults presumably should have been supervising both the baby and the dog. Had they been drinking? Were they setting off fireworks?

The article is missing a lot of information needed to determine why this poor child was attacked.

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