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marmar

(77,064 posts)
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 11:08 AM Jul 2021

Bear pulls woman out of her tent, kills her in Montana


Helena, Mont. — A grizzly bear pulled a woman from her tent in a small Montana town in the middle of the night and killed her before fellow campers could use bear spray to force the bruin out of the area, wildlife officials said Wednesday.

Leah Davis Lokan, 65, of Chico, California, was on a long-distance bicycling trip and had stopped in the western Montana town of Ovando when she was killed early Tuesday, said Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks officials as they provided more details about the attack.

Lokan was killed on the bear’s second visit to the site where she and two fellow bicyclists were camping near the post office, officials said.

The approximately 400-pound (181 kilogram) grizzly first awakened the campers about 3 a.m., officials said. They took food out of their tents, secured it and went back to sleep, they said. ................(more)

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/nation/2021/07/07/bear-pulls-woman-out-her-tent-kills-her-montana/7896555002/




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Bear pulls woman out of her tent, kills her in Montana (Original Post) marmar Jul 2021 OP
I'm sorry, but she was killed by the stupid. Bear was being a bear. Maru Kitteh Jul 2021 #1
This. lastlib Jul 2021 #2
Very well said malaise Jul 2021 #6
Right. H2O Man Jul 2021 #7
My dad and i backpacked in black bear territory Retired Engineer Bob Jul 2021 #53
What the hell did she expect? vercetti2021 Jul 2021 #3
Bear territory is just about everywhere. LizBeth Jul 2021 #9
Camp is a designated area vercetti2021 Jul 2021 #10
I am not sure what you are saying. Camp a designated area for bears or to camp? LizBeth Jul 2021 #11
Cause the bears read ALL the signs... Volaris Jul 2021 #22
I'm sure they all were initially advised NOT to keep food in their tent period luckone Jul 2021 #4
Bears are under assault right now in MT MontanaMama Jul 2021 #5
Well said. H2O Man Jul 2021 #8
That's right... they also tend to run the first Winter. WarGamer Jul 2021 #28
Do you mean the people MontanaMama Jul 2021 #41
Yeah thats what I meant... WarGamer Jul 2021 #48
Gotcha. MontanaMama Jul 2021 #49
enjoy it! For those with solid constitutions it seems like an AWESOME place to live. WarGamer Jul 2021 #50
I keep food and cooking area far, far away Chakaconcarne Jul 2021 #12
Right ::: NEVER bring food or snacks into the tent FakeNoose Jul 2021 #24
That is the food storage bag for me. Strelnikov_ Jul 2021 #54
Yes, that's what I've done too. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #56
You are in THEIR house Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #13
It is Mother Nature's job to continually try to kill us. Ask Darwin. Binkie The Clown Jul 2021 #14
I hope they don't kill the bear for being a bear. alphafemale Jul 2021 #15
Exactly! Duppers Jul 2021 #60
What a dreadful tragedy. Bear attacks are extremely uncommon, Hortensis Jul 2021 #16
2 points of interest that people are missing here GusBob Jul 2021 #18
+1 EX500rider Jul 2021 #20
Agree. She does sound like she was a great person. Hortensis Jul 2021 #21
People assuming that is was food stash but an old food wrapper can still smell like food. flying_wahini Jul 2021 #25
Yes. And people always smell like food to predators. Hortensis Jul 2021 #34
Humans are far down the list of the typical Grizzly menu. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #57
Sure, but that's out of self preservation. We're predators ourselves Hortensis Jul 2021 #66
Ovando is a "town" of 50 people Mysterian Jul 2021 #29
Bears, unlike people, do not act out of deliberate malice. Crunchy Frog Jul 2021 #36
Post removed Post removed Jul 2021 #39
I agree; notice about DU treestar Jul 2021 #67
Her and her companions actions led to her death. Kaleva Jul 2021 #74
Yes, the evil grizzly is morally to blame Mysterian Jul 2021 #30
"execution?" treestar Jul 2021 #68
Thank you for the links-nt Piasladic Jul 2021 #69
Agreed, and they did kill the poor grizz obamanut2012 Jul 2021 #76
And the lesson is... HelpImSurrounded Jul 2021 #17
Yep, the odor will linger inside. nt Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #45
The poor woman was mauled to death. Have some compassion. tinrobot Jul 2021 #19
Lots of misanthropy around here these days ansible Jul 2021 #23
We're in the middle of a sixth mass extinction due to human activity. Crunchy Frog Jul 2021 #37
She was a human being. hunter Jul 2021 #26
Then any story that begins with Xavier Breath Jul 2021 #31
Only if you are killed by a manatee hunter Jul 2021 #32
If it rolls over on you in your sleep Xavier Breath Jul 2021 #33
Only with enthusiastic consent. hunter Jul 2021 #35
I think trying to hump a human Xavier Breath Jul 2021 #38
Sure it's a bad death. So is emphysema from smoking two packs a day for 50 years. alphafemale Jul 2021 #62
Were NOT following bear country food storage rules Mysterian Jul 2021 #27
Where is old Stephen Colbert when you need him? Initech Jul 2021 #40
Awakened by fucking GRIZZLY BEAR who wants the food in your tent, and you... Wingus Dingus Jul 2021 #42
Amazed how many are blaming this poor woman edhopper Jul 2021 #43
Nope. They didn't do everything perfectly MontanaMama Jul 2021 #51
You act as if you've never made a mistake. tinrobot Jul 2021 #58
Camping in the wild is serious business. Duppers Jul 2021 #63
She was camped with others next to a US Post Office, for crying out loud. tinrobot Jul 2021 #64
I make mistakes every single day. MontanaMama Jul 2021 #70
Another lecture on what she did wrong tinrobot Jul 2021 #72
Yes, it is. Strelnikov_ Jul 2021 #55
Camping in the wilderness is rather like skydiving... Duppers Jul 2021 #61
Except she wasn't in the wilderness edhopper Jul 2021 #65
She was sleeping outside on bear territory obamanut2012 Jul 2021 #78
Ovando sees 1,000 cyclist a year edhopper Jul 2021 #80
She had food in her tent obamanut2012 Jul 2021 #77
I will never camp in a tent within Grizzly country. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #44
This. MontanaMama Jul 2021 #52
Exactly obamanut2012 Jul 2021 #79
Interesting headline Ron Obvious Jul 2021 #46
It is what it is. roamer65 Jul 2021 #47
A bear being a bear and now will be killed because of doing what bears do. Raine Jul 2021 #59
Yes. MontanaMama Jul 2021 #71
Ovando is not quite a town caraher Jul 2021 #73
Bad luck madville Jul 2021 #75
To those who think she should have expected this edhopper Jul 2021 #81

Maru Kitteh

(28,333 posts)
1. I'm sorry, but she was killed by the stupid. Bear was being a bear.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 11:14 AM
Jul 2021

Only a freakin' idiot keeps FOOD in their tent. Sometimes stupid kills. I'm sorry for her friends and family but I'm even sorrier for the bears in the area that will now be hunted because of her ignorance.




lastlib

(23,191 posts)
2. This.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 11:21 AM
Jul 2021

If they HAD food in their tent (even so much as a gum wrapper), a bear can smell it, even though they removed the food. And if they can smell it, they'll go after it.

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
7. Right.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 11:29 AM
Jul 2021

A terrible way to die, and horrible for the others. But they were visitors to the bear's territory. As for keeping food in their tent, what were they thinking? Or why weren't they thinking?

53. My dad and i backpacked in black bear territory
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 11:10 PM
Jul 2021

The absolute rule was no food in the tent. We kept the food sacks well away, tossed over a tree branch with a rope between so both sacks were at least 20 ft up.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
3. What the hell did she expect?
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 11:23 AM
Jul 2021

It's a bear, you have food. Your goddamn judgement went out the window. You keep your food locked and put away from your site where a bear cannot reach it. Also don't camp in bear territory!

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
11. I am not sure what you are saying. Camp a designated area for bears or to camp?
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 11:35 AM
Jul 2021

Still bears are all across U.S. You say don't camp where bears are. Ergo no camping most everywhere. We had a bear pawing at our tent and drinking our coke from a cooler well away from us in Red River NM.

Mostly, bears leave people alone. Occasionally, not often at all, there is an attack.

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
22. Cause the bears read ALL the signs...
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 04:08 PM
Jul 2021

I get your point, she thought she was somewhere appropriate and safe (as opposed to camping in a designated wildlife area).

The issue is that unless its fenced, a bear will go where the hell it wants to. If you're somewhere bears can be, too, best to TRY be smarter than the bear.

I know sometimes, that's just not possible.

luckone

(21,646 posts)
4. I'm sure they all were initially advised NOT to keep food in their tent period
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 11:25 AM
Jul 2021

Removing it after the scent in the tent would have still made them an attractive meal in bear country
I hope the bears in the area are left alone no vigilantes

MontanaMama

(23,297 posts)
5. Bears are under assault right now in MT
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 11:27 AM
Jul 2021

with our current Governor and repuke leadership. This won’t help one bit. This woman and her companions kept food in their tents for Pete’s sake. Rule #1 of being in bear country is to secure your food well away from where you sleep. The bear came through the first time and yeah, the people removed the food but the tent still smells like food! Duh.

I wouldn't in a million years tent camp in or near Ovando. Grizzly bears are everywhere. If you can read, there are signs all over the place stating that this is bear country.

Montana has been overrun with people from other places who have moved here to escape Covid now that they’ve found out they can work from anywhere. I know people don’t like to hear this but these folks don’t know the rules of the game here and as always, the resource, in this case the bear, will suffer.

MontanaMama

(23,297 posts)
41. Do you mean the people
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 07:22 PM
Jul 2021

who gave come up here to MT? I wish they’d run…the last winter wasn’t bad enough.

WarGamer

(12,423 posts)
48. Yeah thats what I meant...
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:43 PM
Jul 2021

When I was a teenager I spent 2 weeks over the Christmas/New Year holiday at a relatives house (my parents went on vacation) in Pinedale Wyoming.

My uncle would take me out snowmobiling, I swore I wanted to grow up into a mountain man or rancher... couldn't decide.

But thinking back, the weather was unreal. Reminded me of one of the SciFi horror movies where the Snow monster attacks the scientists in the Arctic base.

40-50mph winds and snow. At the same time. Or maybe it was the wind blowing old snow lol... vicious cold. And that wind... will never forget Wyoming wind.

MontanaMama

(23,297 posts)
49. Gotcha.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:50 PM
Jul 2021

Wyoming wind..eastern MT wind…you’re right., it’s vicious. I’m in western MT…less wind, more snow. Not enough of either to make these people go away. I wish I didn’t feel like this but I do. This isn’t normal tourist season. They’re here and I don’t think they’re leaving. Once every few years we have a winter that sets us on our heels. We need one of those in 2021.

WarGamer

(12,423 posts)
50. enjoy it! For those with solid constitutions it seems like an AWESOME place to live.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:53 PM
Jul 2021

I've been to Coeur D'alene a few times (friends of parents) and Flathead Lake once.

Bucket list is Yellowstone and Jackson... soon?

Chakaconcarne

(2,438 posts)
12. I keep food and cooking area far, far away
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 11:41 AM
Jul 2021

from my tent... the thought of encountering a grizzly in the middle of the night freaks me the hell out.

feel really bad for her and her family....not living around bears, I can see how some might not have precautions on the forefront.

FakeNoose

(32,610 posts)
24. Right ::: NEVER bring food or snacks into the tent
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 04:22 PM
Jul 2021

It's best to put all edibles into a Bear Bag and suspend it high on a tree limb for overnight storage. That Bear Bag needs to be at least 50 yards away from sleeping tents.

This is terrible news for the victim, and I have sympathy for her friends and family. Very sad!



Strelnikov_

(7,772 posts)
54. That is the food storage bag for me.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 12:10 AM
Jul 2021

My 'bear bag' is the one I place my clothes in was wearing that day, with a rope attached, and thrown 10 feet or so from the tent for retrieval in the morning.

The only thing in the tent is sleeping bag and underclothes that have little chance of having food residue.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
56. Yes, that's what I've done too.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 12:52 AM
Jul 2021

There's some odor-proof plastic bags that help reduce the chance of bears being attracted to the hanging bag too.

Any cooking and eating is done outdoors away from the tent too, even if outside conditions are pretty lousy.

Happy Hoosier

(7,248 posts)
13. You are in THEIR house
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 12:37 PM
Jul 2021

Too many people have lost sight of the fact that the wilderness can be the home for apex predators. If I were in grizzly country, I'd sleep with bear spray attached to me. And probably be carrying a firearm (where legal).

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
14. It is Mother Nature's job to continually try to kill us. Ask Darwin.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 12:37 PM
Jul 2021

Lions, tigers, bears, wolves, snakes, ticks, mosquitoes, viruses, bacteria, mold spores, freezing temperatures, earthquakes, floods, ...

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
15. I hope they don't kill the bear for being a bear.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 12:40 PM
Jul 2021

But they probably will because she was terminally stupid.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. What a dreadful tragedy. Bear attacks are extremely uncommon,
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 12:59 PM
Jul 2021

and especially in a campground in a town. These long-distance cyclists had a lot more reason to fear being run over by a drunk driver.

This grizzly that left millions of acres of wilderness to enter this town and attack woman sleeping in a tent will be killed when identified. Of course. They've closed the campsites until then.

RIP, Leah. She reportedly was a registered nurse who loved the outdoors.

“She was a free spirit first and foremost. She always had a smile on her face. She always gave great hugs when you saw her,” Castaldo said. “She was a good woman. She’s going to be missed.”

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
18. 2 points of interest that people are missing here
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 01:43 PM
Jul 2021

They were in a town, not in the wilderness. They were camped behind a museum building

They were pedal bikers, perhaps they had no safe way to store their food.

Perhaps they were tired, perhaps they let their guard down, but still folks here are acting like this person deserved to be killed because bears are more important than people?

She sounds like a great person. Fuck that bear

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. Agree. She does sound like she was a great person.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 03:18 PM
Jul 2021

I admit to being biased in favor of registered nurses in general. Important work.

Reportedly grizzly populations are growing and increasing their range. Killings are almost unheard of, but this one has to be found and put down because this wasn't an accidental tragedy, such as a hiker suprising a bear. His DNA will be used to verify they have the killer.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
34. Yes. And people always smell like food to predators.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 05:18 PM
Jul 2021

Alligator swamp is only 25 feet of open lawn away from our mobile home in Florida, including the patio where we often eat out. People are used to the warning not to feed them, but I warn our visitors that we ARE food and do not train them to come to us for it.

Did I quote what I read that grizzlies' sense of smell is 2100 times as strong as ours? This guy knew human meat was in there. The whole area no doubt reeked of it.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
57. Humans are far down the list of the typical Grizzly menu.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 12:57 AM
Jul 2021

It's usually other odors on people that lead to problems.

I personally wouldn't risk tent-camping around them, regardless. Black bears are far less worrisome.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
66. Sure, but that's out of self preservation. We're predators ourselves
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 09:21 AM
Jul 2021

and they virtually always find other food. Even in the wilderness, much less a campground in a town.

Know what you mean about tenting in grizzly country, though. There aren't many stories to hear, but we've city folk who've probably heard them all. We camped a lot in the western states, almost always in the wilderness down some lonely dirt track, but once the kids came along we did it in a cozy slide-on camper.

Mysterian

(4,574 posts)
29. Ovando is a "town" of 50 people
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 04:47 PM
Jul 2021

Driving through Ovando it's easy to miss the "town."

She was in the middle of bear country and was ignorant or uncaring about food storage rules.

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
36. Bears, unlike people, do not act out of deliberate malice.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 05:26 PM
Jul 2021

Frankly, I'd prefer the company of bears over that of many of the good citizens of Montana. And even certain posters on DU.

Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #36)

treestar

(82,383 posts)
67. I agree; notice about DU
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 09:41 AM
Jul 2021

that people are less valued than animals, at least where they don't know the person.

Kaleva

(36,291 posts)
74. Her and her companions actions led to her death.
Sat Jul 10, 2021, 04:34 AM
Jul 2021

Your comment:

"but still folks here are acting like this person deserved to be killed because bears are more important than people?"

Can you quote the post here in this thread where it is said the woman deserved to die or are you just projecting and making stuff up?

Mysterian

(4,574 posts)
30. Yes, the evil grizzly is morally to blame
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 04:52 PM
Jul 2021

That's the dumbest fucking thing I've read today. Ovando is a "town" of 50 people in the middle of grizzly habitat and the deceased was careless and/or ignorant of grizzly country food storage rules. As a result, the bear likely will be hunted and killed. Hope you're happy that the evil bear will be executed because of this person's negligence.

HelpImSurrounded

(441 posts)
17. And the lesson is...
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 01:17 PM
Jul 2021

Aside from NOT putting food in your tent in the first place, having done so and survived, they need to pack up and leave. Moving the food at that point was useless.

tinrobot

(10,890 posts)
19. The poor woman was mauled to death. Have some compassion.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 02:05 PM
Jul 2021

Most of the responses here seem to indicate that she was stupid and/or deserved it.

Jeez. She was a human being.

 

ansible

(1,718 posts)
23. Lots of misanthropy around here these days
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 04:11 PM
Jul 2021

Note how the immediate reaction for some here is to immediately blame the human

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
37. We're in the middle of a sixth mass extinction due to human activity.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 05:32 PM
Jul 2021

I know which side I consider the victim in most human/animal encounters.

hunter

(38,309 posts)
26. She was a human being.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 04:39 PM
Jul 2021

And a bear was a bear.

That's the way Mother Nature rolls.

We humans are nothing special.

Watch us die.

I imagine a heaven where we get bragging rights for interesting deaths.

"Hitler or Stalin or Pol Pot killed me" is a ten.

I was killed by a bear or a shark is a five.

"I jumped out of a moving car" is a one.

"I was cleaning my gun" is a zero.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
62. Sure it's a bad death. So is emphysema from smoking two packs a day for 50 years.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 07:27 AM
Jul 2021

It was her fault.

Maybe someone can wear a steak bathing suit and swim with piranha and then be shocked at how mean the fish are.

Mysterian

(4,574 posts)
27. Were NOT following bear country food storage rules
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 04:43 PM
Jul 2021

Yeah, keep food in your tent in grizzly country. Smart idea.

Wingus Dingus

(8,052 posts)
42. Awakened by fucking GRIZZLY BEAR who wants the food in your tent, and you...
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 08:17 PM
Jul 2021

move the food out of your tent and GO BACK TO SLEEP? It's pitch black outside and there's a thin layer of fabric between you and this hungry beast and you just taunted him with the prospect of a tasty meal and you...GO BACK TO SLEEP? These people are fools. I feel bad for this lady, what a horrible end, but such bad decisions.

edhopper

(33,543 posts)
43. Amazed how many are blaming this poor woman
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 08:55 PM
Jul 2021

Instead of seeing it as a horrific tragedy.
Doesn't sound like they were wilfully stupid. Just didn't do everything perfectly.
This isn't some idiot in Yellowstone trying to take a bear selfish.
She was asleep in her tent FCS.

MontanaMama

(23,297 posts)
51. Nope. They didn't do everything perfectly
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:59 PM
Jul 2021

and they chose to piddle around in grizzly bear country. Ovando is known for grizzlies. I live here and tent camping in that area might be allowed but I sure wouldn’t do it. And, she had food in her tent. I don’t care if she was asleep or eating a Big Mac. The bear doesn’t care either. There are signs everywhere explaining the rules in that area and ever other area that grizzlies frequent. There are lots of places for novice bikers and campers to go. Ovando isn’t one of them. Read a freaking pamphlet for Pete’s sake or stay in California. I’m sick of these people coming here and not being able to handle it. The bear dies as a result.

tinrobot

(10,890 posts)
58. You act as if you've never made a mistake.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 01:26 AM
Jul 2021

Like any human does, she made a mistake. Sadly, hers proved fatal.

I'm sure her family is devastated.


Duppers

(28,117 posts)
63. Camping in the wild is serious business.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 07:52 AM
Jul 2021

Last edited Fri Jul 9, 2021, 08:30 AM - Edit history (1)

And obviously potentially very dangerous. You must understand the particular behavior of the animals in the area.

Grizzlies are more dangerous than black bears and not just because of their size, although that is a major factor - they're more aggressive about food & territory.

(Several times my husband & I have met the more easy-going black bears on back trails in the GSMNP. Want to read how area residents feel about our black bears: https://www.instagram.com/p/CRGxWZCMSGf/?utm_medium=copy_link )

Obviously these folks just didn't understand grizzlies well enough. (It's even recommended that you don't sleep in the same clothes you eat in!)

(And as Timothy Treadwell said, even grizzlies differ. He knew he was near "bad" grizzlies when he was killed but that where officials made him camp. Long story.)


tinrobot

(10,890 posts)
64. She was camped with others next to a US Post Office, for crying out loud.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 09:11 AM
Jul 2021

Not hard to imagine how someone could mistake that for civilization and not "the wild."

But, hey, let's keep harping on her for making that mistake. Paying with her life is obviously not enough of a penalty.

Jeez. Find some compassion.

MontanaMama

(23,297 posts)
70. I make mistakes every single day.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 10:25 AM
Jul 2021

That’s not at all what I am saying. This wasn’t secret information to not keep food in your tent. It is publicly posted everywhere. There’s sign at the end of my street stating this. It isn’t a joke. It wasn’t just a silly mistake…it was a life and death decision and this group thought they knew better. They came up here and played by their own rules and it cost them. It cost the bear too. It’s dead. Fish and wildlife shot it last night. I’m sure her family is devastated too.

tinrobot

(10,890 posts)
72. Another lecture on what she did wrong
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 11:50 AM
Jul 2021

We get it. Bears will mess you up. Message received.

If this were your mother or your sister, would you be lecturing the family about bear safety or would you be grieving?

Yes, we ALL make mistakes. Sometimes those mistakes are fatal. I'm sure her family is devastated. I feel for them. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

It's called compassion. Put down the bear safety manuals and read up on it some day.

Strelnikov_

(7,772 posts)
55. Yes, it is.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 12:15 AM
Jul 2021

The bear came to town for food, found food (chickens) and would be returning again.

Eventually, it would have to be relocated or destroyed, per standard protocol.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
61. Camping in the wilderness is rather like skydiving...
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 05:33 AM
Jul 2021

There are rules that MUST be perfectly followed!
(Done both.) One MUST know the rules and understand the dangers.

I think what people are reacting to is how totally avoidable this tragedy was. Also, we regret the human nature to blame & want to kill bears after such a tragedy has happened.
This was not the bear's fault but now it must be destroyed.


Should this hungry grizzly be blamed any more than a mispacked parachute? It would be the packer's fault and in this case, this poor lady's and her companions' fault.

It's was indeed a most horrible tragedy! And I'm lamenting her avoidable death.

Luckily I had a good teacher, a native American who had backpacked in the wild most of his life. These poor folks, I think, just didn't know enough about bear behavior.

For this lady.

edhopper

(33,543 posts)
65. Except she wasn't in the wilderness
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 09:19 AM
Jul 2021

She was in a town next to a Post Office.

I don't blame the bear, that would imply guilt. No more than I would blame a rock slide that killed someone.

obamanut2012

(26,049 posts)
78. She was sleeping outside on bear territory
Sat Jul 10, 2021, 07:58 AM
Jul 2021

Period.

Now, the bear has been hunted down and killed. It is all a huge tragedy that could have been prevented.

edhopper

(33,543 posts)
80. Ovando sees 1,000 cyclist a year
Sat Jul 10, 2021, 09:47 AM
Jul 2021

It's not like she was on uncrowded ground for cyclists.
This was the first bear attack in town . Even the locals were surprised.

https://nbcmontana.com/news/residents-officials-shocked-by-bear-attack-in-ovando

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
44. I will never camp in a tent within Grizzly country.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 09:00 PM
Jul 2021

And I've NEVER kept food or toiletries (tooth paste, toilet paper, etc.) inside the tent at any time. That's not wise even within black bear country, which are far more skittish bears.

obamanut2012

(26,049 posts)
79. Exactly
Sat Jul 10, 2021, 08:01 AM
Jul 2021

I have only camped in black bear country, like in NC and Florida, and I won't even have electrolytes inside the tent. I would probably never camp near Grizz.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
46. Interesting headline
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 09:04 PM
Jul 2021

Sounds like the bear took the poor woman out of her tent and then dragged her to Montana before killing her.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
59. A bear being a bear and now will be killed because of doing what bears do.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 01:59 AM
Jul 2021

I'm so sorry about the woman, feel for her friends too. What an awful thing to have to hear and see and always have that memory of your friend's brutal death. It's sad all around.

MontanaMama

(23,297 posts)
71. Yes.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 10:28 AM
Jul 2021

The bear was killed last night. My husband just got the call from Montana Fish & Game. They’re bringing it into his shop to be skinned and tanned. The hide will be used for educational purposes which is something, I guess. Its too bad that the educational aspect will not reach the people that it needs to reach. It’s sad all around indeed.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
73. Ovando is not quite a town
Sat Jul 10, 2021, 02:09 AM
Jul 2021

I had breakfast there in 2017 when I was (road) cycling. There are buildings, a few businesses catering to cyclists, but it's not as if the bear strolled into a place that was a hive of human activity. At the same time, I can totally understand getting a false sense of security - camping there would not obviously feel like being "out in the wilderness."

"Ovando" (or "near Ovando" ) comes three times on Wikipedia's "List of fatal bear attacks in North America"

madville

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75. Bad luck
Sat Jul 10, 2021, 05:37 AM
Jul 2021

Kinda like swimming in the ocean, someone will get bit or killed by a shark, the chances are low but it happens

edhopper

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81. To those who think she should have expected this
Sat Jul 10, 2021, 09:49 AM
Jul 2021

Even the locals were surprised.

https://nbcmontana.com/news/residents-officials-shocked-by-bear-attack-in-ovando

And Ovando gets around 1000 cyclists a year, with no bear attacks until now.

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