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[Towlie]

1. I'm glad this wasn't about Hunter Biden!

 
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[IronLionZion]

29. That would be the Freeper headline at Fox News

[malaise]

2. Should have got life

Fucking murder

[Roy Rolling]

24. Thinking the Same Thing

This was an execution, a murder. I’d be surprised if there isn’t more to this story about his background.

[Kingofalldems]

3. Gun hick.

Shoots at anything that moves.

I wonder if he has ever shot up road signs.

[Disaffected]

9. Moves smooves. Ever heard of "sound shots"?

Yeah, it's apparently a thing. Hear something moving in the bushes, take a shot and hope you get lucky.

There was also a story making the rounds years ago of someone who lived in the country and placed deer replicas around his property during hunting season. He would extract the lead shot & bullets from the replicas and sell it for a little extra spending money.

[tenderfoot]

15. A "sound shot" like the a woman walking her dog got a few years back

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/26/nyregion/hunter-shot-woman.html

Now that is some serious luck.

[Disaffected]

20. Paywall

[tenderfoot]

33. From Newsweek

https://www.newsweek.com/woman-deer-mistake-killed-722143

[Disaffected]

34. Thank you.

But, what the actual F?? Not charged? Hunting deer with a pistol, at night and, taking a 200 yard shot??

Not charged???

[tenderfoot]

36. He got time

Only one to three years.

https://www.pennlive.com/daily-buzz/2019/01/prison-for-hunter-who-shot-killed-woman-thinking-she-was-a-deer.html

[Disaffected]

38. OK, thanks again.

One to three seems pretty light alright.

[tenderfoot]

41. Light but...

Too his credit he didn’t run away and took responsibility. That may have been considered in sentencing.

[PatrickforB]

23. Sound shots? That's effed-up, man.

But sitting on the bench with gf just talking and all of a sudden take a bullet in the head? From some dumb ass gun nut?

Life. No parole. The jerk walked away. He. Walked. Away.

[Disaffected]

35. I dunno,

he may have walked because he was in a state of shock. I know I would be if I'd made such an horrific mistake.

On the other hand.....

[PatrickforB]

39. No, I don't buy shock. You gotta be a man...or a woman...about something like this.

You face the music. You don't run away. Because you know if you do, when you finally get caught, which you will, it will be worse than if you faced up to it when you did it.

Well...I don't.

[hlthe2b]

4. Hunting licenses used to require safety training. I remember the woman hanging

clothes on a line outdoors tragically shot in her own backyard by a hunter years ago--I think in Connecticut. When it was widely reported, all kinds of similar incidents came to light across the country.

Tragic doesn't begin to cover it.

[Paladin]

5. Sounds like this is a consequence of allowing hunting in state parks.

There's always the possibility being the victim of some moron who shouldn't be trusted with a can opener, much less a high-powered hunting gun. I hope the shooter does the full 20 years---he's now in the sort of state property he ought to be in.

[left-of-center2012]

6. "a consequence of allowing hunting in state parks"

I don't see how the location was a factor.
It was 'hunter' stupidity.

[Paladin]

10. Lots more hunter stupidity in areas where hunting is cheap or free.

Like state parks.

[left-of-center2012]

12. This happened in Pennsylvania

It is a hunter friendly state and much of it is open and free for hunting,
not only state parks.

But, hey, blame it on the state park if you choose.

[Paladin]

16. OK, I will. Have a nice day. (nt)

[Kaleva]

44. Do you ahve a link?

Or did you just make that up?

[DBoon]

17. non hunters might mistakenly think the parks are open for general recreation

People who are not hunters go to state parks to hike and do other outdoor recreation, not realizing that they are potential targets during hunting season. Someone might think a stat park is a safe place and find themselves shot at.

Maybe state parks should be closed to non-hunters during hunting season?

(sarcasm)

[DenaliDemocrat]

18. Considering it is Pittman Robertson funds that

Keep the park open, your statement is not as sarcastic as you think.

[Kaleva]

45. State forests and national forest are also open to hunting.

As a rule, I stay out of the fields and woods during hunting season and it doesn't matter if the land is a publicly or privately owned land.

While I could argue that I have the right to be in such areas where legally permitted, I'll always lose a debate with a speeding bullet.

[alphafemale]

7. Deer don't have girlfriends that scream out their names in anguish.

It is even worse that he tried to slink away rather than render aid once he realized what he had done.

[irisblue]

8. after googling the killers name, I found this info

https://bucks.crimewatchpa.com/da/29567/post/bucks-county-hunter-pleads-guilty-sentenced-7-20-years-killing-jason-kutt-nockamixon

snip--The shooting sparked an intense investigation and for more than two months, Bucks County detectives Timothy Campbell and Michael Walp worked tirelessly on the case, tracking down three vehicles seen at the state park the day of the shooting. One of those vehicles, belonged to Heller. Detectives interviewed Heller’s co-workers who said he did not report to work the Monday after the shooting and was visibly “shook up” when returned on Tuesday. The co-workers also told detectives that shortly after the shooting Heller gave away guns, ammunition and hunting gear. Detectives searched Heller’s vehicle and home on Dec. 10, finding a .17-caliber Marlin rifle, ammunition for the rifle and an orange hunting vest with a 2020 hunting license issued to Kenneth Heller affixed to the back of the vest. Detectives also found metal knuckles with a dagger attached.

more there

[progressoid]

27. Heller admitted in court that he made no attempts to inform authorities that he took the fatal shot.

He knew what he did.

[NickB79]

42. A .17 caliber is for small game like squirrels

That's a hell of a mistake to make.

[padah513]

11. When I got my hunting license

The saying was know your target and beyond. He didn't know his target, he didn't know what was beyond his target, he just saw movement and fired. Then he walked away. 20 years should have been the minimum.

[WinstonSmith4740]

28. Was that back in the day when the NRA was actually a gun safety organization?

I remember when they used to be concerned about that kind of stuff. They would actually come into schools and do gun safety talks.

I've never hunted myself, but I waitressed in a rural (and therefore, hunting) community for a few years. After meeting and talking to hunters for a while, I did get an appreciation for them and looked at them totally differently than I had. A vast majority were pretty damn serious conservationists when it came to their kills, and ALL were fanatical about gun safety. Unfortunately, too many "shoot at whatever moves, and check later" folks out there with guns now.

[nolabear]

13. "Possession of a prohibited offensive weapon." Such as?

Did he take off because he shot that poor kid with a weapon he shouldn’t have been hunting with?

[tblue37]

22. Probably the brass knuckles with a knife attached.

[Dial H For Hero]

40. Almost certainly. Brass knuckles are illegal to possess in Pennsylvania.

[dv421]

14. It seems some hunters have gotten sloppy

I have a friend who lives on the edge of a state park in WI. He leaves during deer gun season and generally has at least 1 deer slug in his house each year. Seems some just don't look beyond what they are targeting.

Getting a hunting license should be as hard as getting a drivers license, but it seems it's pretty easy.

[ck4829]

19. Kid had a mane of red hair, and he was mistaken for an animal? Really?

There are certainly a lot of questions remaining here.

It's a good thing he was caught because there is a part of me thinking that if he wasn't, we would have heard about another "accidental shooting" in that area sooner or later.

[Harker]

30. Also, he was sitting in a car with his girlfriend.

I've seen deer do some pretty strange things, but driving isn't one of them.

[oasis]

21. Lock him up and throw away the key. nt

[DFW]

25. INvoluntary manslaughter?

Why involuntary? Was he aiming for the girlfriend instead?

[ck4829]

32. I hope he serves the full 20 years and that his name is never lost in any system

Very creepy story.

[kirkuchiyo]

26. He should go out with Cheney nt

[IronLionZion]

31. Another responsible gun owner

if only the kid had a gun to defend himself ...

[Worried2020]

37. Makes ya wanna cry - a face to the tragedy . . .

.



JASON KURT

Watching a sunset with his young girlfriend.

She will be traumatized for many years, maybe a lifetime . . .

(sigh)



W

[GoodRaisin]

43. A young man lost his life because of this worthless prick.

He shoots him and doesn't go help him. Instead tries to run to save his own sorry ass.

He doesn't deserve freedom again. 7 years and $10K for a life is a joke. A very bad one.

[Kaleva]

46. At least the media and local DA didn't label this as a "tragic accident".

Which is what they often do when an innocent is seriously injured or killed by an incompetent who owns guns.

20 years ought to be the standard for any gun owner whose gun(s) were improperly stored or handled and which caused the death of an innocent.