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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,922 posts)
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 04:02 PM Jul 2021

Fux Noise Is Moving From 'Just Asking Questions' to Full-On Anti-Vax Crapola

Last week, we suggested that well-meaning liberal concern about the Delta Variant, fueled by obsessive media coverage, was beginning to verge on hysteria. The vaccines still work against the Delta Variant, so the way forward at this point is to keep calm, carry on, and get as many people as possible vaccinated as quickly as possible. It is not realistic to expect Americans to go back into lockdown unless a variant emerges that can evade the vaccines, and that emergence becomes more likely the more unvaccinated people there are around to spread the thing. All of this is to say that what appears to be a new kind of anti-vax push on the American right is, even by the standards of the American right, particularly grotesque. The swimming pool is finally reopening amid a head wave and they're taking a big dump in the shallow end.

Matt Gertz of MediaMatters spends a lot of time monitoring right-wing media, and on Thursday he reported that the babbling over there has moved towards more straightforward anti-vaccine rhetoric. (Up until now, the primary mode outside the true fever-swamp precincts has been Just Asking Questions—or, in Tucker Carlson's case, Just Asking Questions about why no one is allowed to ask questions, which in turn leaves the viewer believing there are not just questions to be asked but answers that are bad, even though we're still actually dealing in questions about questions.) Gertz provided four examples of this new shift from the last day of conservative infotainment programming.

Candace Owens, a star of the Trump era thanks to her overnight conversion to "conservatism" after running a blog of a very different persuasion, offered this to her 2.7 million followers Wednesday afternoon:




Unabashed! Freedumb! Family! Infringed! Government bad! Meanwhile, there is no actual reason supplied for her choice. The fact that Owens is free to make this choice, which is true, somehow becomes the justification for making the choice. The subtext, as it always is in reactionary thought, is that The Enemies want you to make the other choice, thus this is the choice to make.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/fox-news-moving-just-asking-154100937.html

This response to Owens was great.


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Fux Noise Is Moving From 'Just Asking Questions' to Full-On Anti-Vax Crapola (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2021 OP
Medical freedom underpants Jul 2021 #1
Medical freeDUMB. East-A-Squared Jul 2021 #7
What is her stance on abortion? On the pill, on republican obsession to control women's bodies? Escurumbele Jul 2021 #15
They think that's sooooo "Owning the Libs" they love it underpants Jul 2021 #17
since their ratings are in the shitter, they have to pull out the big crazy. nt Javaman Jul 2021 #2
Everyone's ratings are down but Fox News is battling extreme operations to keep their market share underpants Jul 2021 #10
Fox will kill for ratings! Mopar151 Jul 2021 #3
When it comes to anti-vaxxers, Lock. Them. All. Up. Except for the very few with legitimate abqtommy Jul 2021 #4
Of course I don't watch but have they been sticking magnets to themselves on air? Runningdawg Jul 2021 #5
Still waiting on THAT video. oldsoftie Jul 2021 #13
Check back in Candice after a member of your stupid "unabashedly" as a family decision finds PortTack Jul 2021 #6
Insurance companies could put a stop to this mnhtnbb Jul 2021 #8
+10000000 Yavin4 Jul 2021 #9
YES! The FDA needs to get this done. oldsoftie Jul 2021 #14
For all of the crap in our food and other medicines that the FDA approves... Yavin4 Jul 2021 #19
Preach!! oldsoftie Jul 2021 #29
They consume "food-like substances". . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2021 #35
🦠 roamer65 Jul 2021 #11
👆This! Scottie Mom Jul 2021 #42
Let them die. roamer65 Jul 2021 #12
This is a repeat of something I posted on another blog Escurumbele Jul 2021 #16
Candace Owens Tweet Translated Rocknation Jul 2021 #18
Or, "Not one person in my family will ADMIT taking it" oldsoftie Jul 2021 #30
When I see a black person who is educated (or not terribly educated but likely for other reasons to soldierant Jul 2021 #43
Yea seta1950 Jul 2021 #20
Yea seta1950 Jul 2021 #21
To paraphrase a quote from Marge Simpson: Initech Jul 2021 #22
Fox News, Big Tobacco, Opioid drug makers, gun makers IronLionZion Jul 2021 #23
The new Conservative meme ScratchCat Jul 2021 #24
Difference they don't see is that choice is PUBLIC HEALTH but women's choice is truly own body Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2021 #34
There Is No Right To Murder In The Constitution DallasNE Jul 2021 #25
Except ... AncientOfDays Jul 2021 #26
Yikes! BlueWavePsych Jul 2021 #27
A reporter needs to ask if Rupert Murdoch and Klan are vaxed BSdetect Jul 2021 #28
A future history book quote about the 2019 to 20XX pandemic: Aussie105 Jul 2021 #31
They can rest easy in their graves knowing they owned the libruhls to the very end. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2021 #32
They will shout "Keep your gubmint hands off'n our Medicare" as they bury their mother dead of Covid Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2021 #33
Make up your mind. They want to give Trump the credit for The Vaccines Thrill Jul 2021 #36
One has to wonder why they're so hell-bent on killing off their audience. GoCubsGo Jul 2021 #37
Send for Dr. Kevorkian The Wizard Jul 2021 #38
I anxiously await the The Wizard Jul 2021 #39
OK, they get COVID lonely bird Jul 2021 #40
Candace, You're Free To Not Get Vaccinated COL Mustard Jul 2021 #41

Escurumbele

(3,386 posts)
15. What is her stance on abortion? On the pill, on republican obsession to control women's bodies?
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 10:01 AM
Jul 2021

She talks about "Medical Freedom"? How hypocritical is that?

underpants

(182,769 posts)
10. Everyone's ratings are down but Fox News is battling extreme operations to keep their market share
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 07:31 PM
Jul 2021

to keep their share of the right wing market. You hear “legacy media” a lot on talk radio but that not just CNN, the networks and the Times/Post that’s new start ups trying to ween viewers away from Fox. Newsmax and OANN are the two TV operations but they have nowhere near the resources needed to really battle Fox. They are all setting their hair on fire daily to make noise and get attention. Fox oddly is following THEM down rabbit holes.

Trump was huge for everyone’s ratings.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
4. When it comes to anti-vaxxers, Lock. Them. All. Up. Except for the very few with legitimate
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 04:54 PM
Jul 2021

medical exemptions.

PortTack

(32,755 posts)
6. Check back in Candice after a member of your stupid "unabashedly" as a family decision finds
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 05:09 PM
Jul 2021

Someone disabled or dead from covid.

I have no pity!!

mnhtnbb

(31,382 posts)
8. Insurance companies could put a stop to this
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 06:28 PM
Jul 2021

All they have to do is put out an announcement that as of January 1, 2022 if you haven't been vaccinated, your premiums are going up. And if you end up with COVID and have to be hospitalized? Well, guess what? The cost of treatment is added to your deductible.

But they won't do it. Instead, they'll be raising premiums on everyone because they are going to have to cover the cost of hospitalizations of these anti-vax idiots.

Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
9. +10000000
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 06:34 PM
Jul 2021

But first, the FDA needs to give full approval. There's more than enough data out there about the vaccines for them to do so. I don't think that any other medicine that they have approved in the past has more data.

Once the FDA does that, insurance companies can bring the hammer down on the unvaccinated.

oldsoftie

(12,531 posts)
14. YES! The FDA needs to get this done.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 09:56 AM
Jul 2021

If they know everything they need to know, whats the holdup?
I know there's no way to measure long term effects without actual time going by, but isnt there a way to skip that?
People are always saying the FDA takes far too long to approve drugs. I'm not up to speed on how it could safely be sped up but the vax seems like a good start

Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
19. For all of the crap in our food and other medicines that the FDA approves...
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 10:21 AM
Jul 2021

they going to find religion all of the sudden?

Also, for all of the anti-vaxxers that eat gross shit every day from places like Taco Bell and Subway, shit that cannot even be classified as food, they're going to be pure when it comes to the vaccine?

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
12. Let them die.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 07:42 PM
Jul 2021

Seriously. Let natural selection run its course.

Don’t let people like her in the hospitals. Send them home with some aspirin.

Escurumbele

(3,386 posts)
16. This is a repeat of something I posted on another blog
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 10:05 AM
Jul 2021

Vincent Bugliosi sent Charles Manson to jail even though Manson had not committed the murders himself, but he was found guilty because he was the master mind of the criminal acts and thus he was as guilty, or more, of those who did.

In Bugliosi's book "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder" he lays out a blueprint for prosecuting Bush and his cronies for the murders of Iraqi civilians and US soldiers because they knowingly sent them to their deaths, he is using the same rules that sent Manson to life in prison.

I wonder if the same rules Bugliosi used against Manson and those he proposed for Bush et al could be used against these republicans, and TV loud mouths at Fox, who some of them have been vaccinated, but are urging their followers to fight against the vaccine knowing they can and that many will die if they contract the COVID-19 virus, in other words, they are sending their believers to their deaths.

They should start with Tucker Carlson, he is the biggest spreader of lies about the vaccine and has a following who believe in the murderous rhetoric he spews night after night on TV.

Rocknation

(44,576 posts)
18. Candace Owens Tweet Translated
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 10:18 AM
Jul 2021
"Not one person in my family will ever touch the Covid-19 vaccine because it would be tantamount to confessing that I've gambled 'all in' on conservatism in general and Trump in particular, and come up snake eyes. It would be impossible to survive the humiliation of such a gargantuan loss of credibility when I need to retain my place (AND my job) in their government."


Rocknation

oldsoftie

(12,531 posts)
30. Or, "Not one person in my family will ADMIT taking it"
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 05:19 PM
Jul 2021

I know damn well some of these non-public people I see on FB yapping about it have damn well gotten that shot. They just wont admit it

soldierant

(6,847 posts)
43. When I see a black person who is educated (or not terribly educated but likely for other reasons to
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 12:23 AM
Jul 2021

be aware of the Tuskegee syphilis project, and Henrietta Lacks, and a few other medical projects which can at best be called "exploitative," I can't consider that person paranoid. Nor can I as a white person, give her (or him) the assurance that the vaccine is a good idea.

I don't say they are not wrong, but I do say they are not stupid, paranoid, or irrational.

Another situation where people striving to be "color-blind" ends up putting people of color at greatest risk.

Initech

(100,063 posts)
22. To paraphrase a quote from Marge Simpson:
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 11:17 AM
Jul 2021

"You know, Fox News morphed into a hardcore death cult so fast that nobody really noticed!".

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
23. Fox News, Big Tobacco, Opioid drug makers, gun makers
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 11:24 AM
Jul 2021

all profiting from killing their customers. Good luck with that.

ScratchCat

(1,981 posts)
24. The new Conservative meme
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 11:35 AM
Jul 2021

Is to co-opt "liberal" slogans as their objection to anything positive supported by "the other side".

Their thought process goes like this: "Hey, the libs defend abortion by saying "my body" and "medical choice", so we'll oppose vaccines and masks for the same reason and make them the hypocrites!".

They think they are clever.

Seriously; this is the game they are playing.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,989 posts)
34. Difference they don't see is that choice is PUBLIC HEALTH but women's choice is truly own body
Sat Jul 10, 2021, 06:21 AM
Jul 2021

It's not really their choice to make, or shouldn't be. It is for public health as much or more than personal protection. When a woman chooses to terminate a pregnancy, it is her body and only her body. She is not affecting the "body politic", not affecting anyone else's health.

In the racist Fifties that they adore, they would not have a choice. Children were either vaccinated or didn't attend school.

But of course logic is beyond people who were convinced emotionally, which is how propaganda works.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
25. There Is No Right To Murder In The Constitution
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 12:22 PM
Jul 2021

Anti-government speech has its limits. And that is all this is. There are two Supreme Court decisions that says that. With this disease it is not a case of "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas". It has no boundaries so whe you refuse the shots and get the virus and pass it on to others it is much like 3rd degree murder when the other person dies. Lock them up.

AncientOfDays

(163 posts)
26. Except ...
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 12:41 PM
Jul 2021

... except if you're a woman - then your reproductive medical should absolutely be controlled by the government --- that's what she and other anti-vaxxers are saying.

Aussie105

(5,380 posts)
31. A future history book quote about the 2019 to 20XX pandemic:
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 07:47 PM
Jul 2021

'Around the world, XX millions died (*)'

(*) Mostly in poorer countries where vaccinations were too low. Exception was America, where a lot of deaths were the result of certain sections of the media pushing an anti-science anti-vaccination propaganda line.

I guess you can't fix stupid. Especially if certain media outlets breed it and feed it.

Thrill

(19,178 posts)
36. Make up your mind. They want to give Trump the credit for The Vaccines
Sat Jul 10, 2021, 07:28 AM
Jul 2021

But want to discourage people from taking it. Can’t have it both ways

GoCubsGo

(32,079 posts)
37. One has to wonder why they're so hell-bent on killing off their audience.
Sat Jul 10, 2021, 07:42 AM
Jul 2021

A cult is a cult is a cult, I guess.

COL Mustard

(5,897 posts)
41. Candace, You're Free To Not Get Vaccinated
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 05:11 AM
Jul 2021

That’s your right.

I’m free to not give a flying fuck what you do or say, and to have no sympathy for you and your family when you contract one of the variants. That’s my right.

I hope that when you and your fellow losers get sick, you’re denied treatment. That’s what you deserve.

Have a nice day.

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