Imagine being Jewish...

[sheshe2]

[Omnipresent]

1. Just a slight difference.

Hitler wanted all Jews to die.
The confederacy wanted blacks alive, to own, as cheap labor for the plantations.

[Me.]

2. THe Slave Owners Worked THeir Slaves To Death In Many Cases

the difference was in the length of time they suffered. I don't think we can/should make comparisons in these matters.

[Omnipresent]

40. Make no mistake about it.

In both cases, they were resigned to a grim fate, with no choice in the matter.

[sheshe2]

3. True to a point.

They wanted them alive to work, yet beat them within an inch of their lives. Hunted them down when they ran, strung them up by the neck when they were bad... 'strange fruit'.

At least we ended Hitlers reign. The civil war went on and on until WW1. Read Slavery By Another Name.

[evolves]

9. The Civil War

is STILL going on.

[Moostache]

56. Amen to that...

The Civil War and the repression of Africans in America (whether captured and sold into bondage or born into an inherently biased and unfair system of misappropriated justice) has not ended yet.

The political party name may have changed like magnetic poles, but the hatred and ignorance and bias went nowhere and the continued path of those opposed to equality and a multiracial representative republic are still doing all they can to keep that fight going longer.

[IronLionZion]

10. They tortured, raped, and killed plenty of slaves

Disabled and elderly slaves don't get to retire. They get killed.

Nazis used Jewish slave labor and had pogroms smashing up Jewish businesses and neighborhoods. Schindler's List is a well known movie about a true story of Jewish slave labor.

[TimeToGo]

19. Curious

About the claim they killed elderly slaves. Is there evidence of that happening in any systematic way? I guess it could be true, but I haven’t heard that. Do we have any historical cites?

(Of course, I certainly don’t in any mean that slave owners didn’t mistreat slaves)

[IronLionZion]

27. It happened enough times for slave states to pass laws forbidding it

killing slaves without reason was a crime back then. Few survived long enough to be elderly.

[TimeToGo]

29. That I could see

I though you were implying that they were killed when they became elderly.

[IronLionZion]

32. There was some of that

Cruelty was among the reasons Haiti had a slave revolution overthrowing their French masters.

[Skittles]

12. bottom line is

they both treated human beings like objects

[KS Toronado]

14. The nazis also used Jews as cheap labor w/o feeding them properly

Slight difference my @ss

[ShazzieB]

25. This is NOT a useful distinction.

Hitler regarded the Jews as subhuman vermin that needed to be exterminated.

Confederate slave owners regarded their slaves as a subhuman commodity that had monetary value and practical uses.

Both of these views were rooted in the idea of a certain group of people being subhuman and not entitled to basic human rights; hence, both are evil and neither should be celebrated.

[Omnipresent]

52. I can think of many things to celebrate. Neither of these is worth it.

[DBoon]

55. Slaves in the Confederacy were treated like mules

They were farm animals, back in the days when beating farm animals to get them to work harder was accepted.

They were very like Jews under Hitler, in that they were treated as subhumans

[malaise]

66. Not cheap labor

Free labor

[Omnipresent]

77. Not really free.

Slaves had to be bought from African tribal leaders shipped and poorly fed for a few months on their voyage to the colonies. Put up for auction, poorly fed and housed.
So no, not really free.

[smirkymonkey]

4. K&R

They don't care. They have no empathy, in fact quite the opposite. They enjoy inflicting pain on others. They are sick, sick creatures.

[Retired Engineer Bob]

5. There is no other explanation -n/t

[uriel1972]

6. Truly hideous human beings.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

7. K&R

[spanone]

8. K&R...

[IronLionZion]

11. The dumbest conservatives believe there are Hitler statues in Germany

[Hekate]

18. Never heard of that belief, but then I can't keep up with the stupidity. Any link? Ta. nt

[IronLionZion]

28. No link, just people I know have said that in response to removing confederate statues. nt

[Hekate]

30. Gaaaah

[SharonAnn]

22. I had an acquaintance tell me that. I asked where. She said the memorial at Auschwitz. Sheesh.

[lunatica]

13. That's a good example!

It hits home.

[rickyhall]

15. I am Jewish and I am totally with them on that.

We can never never move forward until all that hateful shit it gone.

[speak easy]

33. I'll leave comparisons of todays hate and the past to Jews.

I'll talk about the genocide ... the end point, to anyone who will listen. But when it comes to the hatred, I'm not on the receiving end. I know I don't know. I'll listen to the many voices of Jewry. Thank you for your post.

[MyMission]

47. Genocide versus enslavement?

Clearly genocide is the more severe expression of hate, but they're probably #1 & 2 on the list of human rights violations.

While Nazis used Jews for labor, their main goal was to exterminate us.

Slavery is about exploiting and using and subjugating; owning. Nazis did use Jews for labor because there were economic benefits, but they didn't want to own us (we were Pharaoh's slaves in Egypt).

Violation or abandonment of human rights, lack or loss of humanity is at the core for both.

[DesertRat]

16. K&r

[JI7]

17. It also doesn't happen becsuse Germany got strict with certain things

and also they admit their past . There are still nazis though but other places in europe are worse and those places haven't done much to fight shi semitism.


But in the US we have never really confronted the true history.

[wnylib]

42. I have heard that Holicaust denial

is against the law in Germany. Don't know how true that is.

[Jedi Guy]

63. It certainly is a crime in Germany, in certain circumstances.

(3) Whosoever publicly or in a meeting approves of, denies or downplays an act committed under the rule of National Socialism of the kind indicated in section 6 (1) of the Code of International Criminal Law, in a manner capable of disturbing the public peace shall be liable to imprisonment not exceeding five years or a fine.

Fortunately such a law would never fly in the States.

[wnylib]

70. But, fortunately, it does fly in Germany.

I would not normally support such restrictions on expression, but, due to the fanaticism and gaslighting of Third Reich devotees, the damage done by Nazis, and the need for Germany to face its past in order to reestablish a sane and stable society and government, I am glad that the law exists.

[Jedi Guy]

72. In the context of Germany, its past, and its struggles to come to terms with that past, sure.

If someone proposed such legislation here in the States, I'd fight it tooth and nail.

[thesquanderer]

58. Yes, the union tried to accommodate the confederacy, whereas Germany totally repudiated Nazism.

Two very different approaches to post-war rebuilding.

[Jedi Guy]

64. "whereas Germany totally repudiated Nazism."

Yes and no. West Germany totally repudiated Nazism, accepted responsibility, and took steps to ensure it couldn't rise again. East Germany, on the other hand, took the "it wasn't our fault" stance after the rise of the Communist leadership. East Germany didn't accept responsibility and apologize for the Holocaust until 1990, not long after the Berlin Wall fell.

[Blaukraut]

20. My best friend's grandfather was a brownshirt

Sturmabteilung, to be exact. My grandmother was Jewish, living right across the street. My mom used to say that the uniform boots were the first pair of real shoes he ever owned. To his credit, he never gave my grandmother a hard time, seeing how she and his wife were best friends, as well. After the war, nobody ever mentioned his SA membership again. It was seen as shameful and nothing to be proud of. Sadly, there ARE still families in that same town whose family members hold their ancestors' SA and party membership very dear. It might not be out in the open, but you know who they are.

[DFW]

26. My wife's father was drafted into the Wehrmacht at 17, sent to Stalingrad as Kanonenfutter at 18

When Göring was talking about "some slob on a farm" and how the best he could expect from a war would be to come home in one piece, my father-in-law was that "slob on a farm" he was talking about. Except that he didn't come home in one piece. He was sent home at age 19 in 1943, minus a leg, and now useless to his farm.

At least West Germany admitted and confronted its past. Its socialist counterpart to the East kept the Nazi style uniforms, the Nazi style goose step for its military, and its Nazi style GEheime STAatsPOlizei, now "Ministerium für STAatsSIcherheit." They conveniently just said, "no more Nazis here, just good socialists!" and pretended it was true. Their socialist paradise was free of Nazis and there was therefore no need to teach about them, and why they were so awful. Of course, if they had taught about the Nazis in detail, they would have found themselves almost looking in a mirror, so they had good reason to find an excuse not to.

My mother-in-law has an interesting parallel to your friend's grandfather. My wife's maternal grandfather loathed the Nazis and listened all the time the British radio, a "crime" that carried the death penalty during the war. His neighbor, a minor local Nazi official, confronted him about it, warned him against it, but because they were good neighbors for so long, never turned him in. When the war was over, the neighbor came to my wife's grandfather and reminded him that he could have turned him in during the war and gotten him executed, but didn't. He pleaded for the same treatment, which my wife's grandfather granted him.

[thucythucy]

43. Interesting stories.

Your contrasting how East and West Germany confronted (or not) their pasts is illustrative.

This may be only anecdotal, but my impression during my visits to Germany is that the rise of neo-Nazism is more prevalent in the former DDR than in the former Federal Republic.

I visited with my partner (quite a few years ago now) this one time, and during our stay in what was the former DDR we were warned about going out after dark in certain neigborhoods. My sweetie used a wheelchair, and we heard stories about disabled people being targeted for abuse and violence by skinheads. "Under Hitler you would have been gassed" was the slogan used during such occasions.

Before the fall of the wall I spent time in East Berlin. There was a lot of public discussion--including monuments and such--commemorating American atrocities. Nothing however about Germany during the war.

Also--just a little side note--at that time there was a monument to the Red Army "liberators of Berlin." The Berliners I knew called it "The Tomb of the Unknown Rapist."

[DFW]

46. Your impression was accurate

The socialist part of Germany never bothered to address their part in the Nazi regime. While imitating it physically, they simply washed their hands of it ideologically. By saying they were "Nazi-free," they could say that no anti-Nazi education programs were necessary, as the internal danger had been eradicated. No Nazis here, nosiree, just good socialists. "Arbeiter und Bauern." Workers and farmers, though you had to be careful there with the word "Bauer" as it can also mean "peasant." The only danger from fascists, according to their official propaganda, was from without (i.e. West Germany). Their denial was almost Trump-like in its comprehensiveness. The tendencies, of course never disappeared. Once the wall fell, they had no further barriers to rising to the surface and manifesting their ugly selves. They had nothing like what Burgess called "Ludovico's technique" in "A Clockwork Orange" to program internal inhibition.

The Red Army was indeed given carte blanche to treat its occupied Germans the way they wanted, and they were brutal, but considering the way the German occupiers of the Soviet Union behaved after their 1941 invasion, it was to be expected. The Russians never got to bomb a city to rubble the way "Bomber Harris" did with Dresden, as triple payback for the German bombings of England. So, it was agreed that they could take Berlin, treat the civilian population the way they wanted to, and abscond with the billions in gold in the Reichsbank and whatever art they could cart off from museums. The Nazi ideology was so rigid, it did them in where they could have turned their incursion to their advantage. Some Ukranians initially welcomed them as liberators from Stalin's murderous policies. But then the occupiers started executing anyone that seemed remotely Jewish (as were plenty of Ukranians), and systematically machine-gunning anyone accused of being a "Partisan," as many indeed were. But the "partisany" wore no uniforms, so no one could tell who was one, and who wasn't. Tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of the people the Nazis put against barn walls on their farms and shot were innocent. In the end, they were just as determined enemies of the Germans as any of the others. Burning down farms and killing the people who live there is a really effective way of making people reconsider calling you a "liberator."

[Jedi Guy]

65. Yeah, East Germany preferred to pretend they had no responsibility in the matter.

And while the Gestapo were certainly awful, the Stasi were in another league entirely. I've read some stories about the things they did, and it was wild. Breaking into people's houses and subtly rearranging things, all in an effort to make the target have a nervous breakdown? The Gestapo were monstrous, but the Stasi were just... I have no words.

[DFW]

67. The Stasi was an institution for intelligent, cruel people.

If you can, see the German film, "The Lives of Others." It tells the story of an efficient Stasi officer/trainer who eventually realizes what awful things they were doing to people.

My wife saw it first in the East (Leipzig) and then again with me in Düsseldorf. In Düsseldorf, as soon as it was over, the theater was buzzing with conversation about the film. In Leipzig, my wife said the audience was sitting in stunned silence, as they had just had their previous lives replayed before them, leaving nothing out, including the things they never dared discuss while the socialist regime was in place (you never knew who was an "IM," or inofizieller Mitarbeiter--an unofficial collaborator, in essence, an informer). After the wall fell, there were always stories about families falling apart in the East, after one of the partners found out their "better half" had been working for the Stasi for many years.

[Jedi Guy]

68. Yeah, the Stasi were arguably the most effective (and therefore worst) secret police in history.

I remember seeing a statistic somewhere (so who knows if it's true) that if one counted informers as agents, the Stasi fielded one agent for every 7 East Germans. That level of societal penetration is simply mind-blowing. I can't imagine living with the fear that anyone around you could be an informer or actual agent, and that those people could have you hauled away to an uncertain (but undoubtedly horrific) fate at the drop of a hat.

To your point about spouses spying, I believe there was a prominent peace activist whose husband was revealed to be a Stasi informer. I can't recall her name now for the life of me.

Thank you for the film recommendation, I'll poke around and try to find a dubbed version. The only German I speak is words not acceptable in polite company.

[DFW]

69. The film is really incredible

The year after it came out, it won the Oscar for best "foreign" film, and deservedly so.

See if you can find the original with subtitles. Dubbed dialogs suck.

M wife's brother had a friend who met and fell in love with a woman in the DDR when he was visiting there. She applies to leave in order to go live with her fiancé in West Germany, and surprisingly, she wasn't put through the harassment that most East Germans were in her position. within a week of her arrival in the West, she left her new husband and went to work somewhere in the tech sector. Later on, within a week of the Wall falling, and the Stasi's files being opened to the public, she committed suicide. It doesn't take much imagination to figure out why she had such an easy time getting permit to leave when everyone else was put through hell.

[Jedi Guy]

71. Wow, that's crazy. Absolutely no doubt why she self-deleted after the Wall fell.

Given Stasi's reputation, though, I'm kinda surprised he didn't have some suspicions about the ease with which she got out of DDR. Love is blind, I guess. Thanks for sharing your stories, I really enjoyed reading your posts.

[DFW]

73. Maybe he figured his girlfriend was too insgnificant to hold back, I couldn't tell you

I never met the guy in person.

I was there in Germany when the wall fell. My wife is German, as you probably know, and we parked our then-teenage kids with neighbors and took off for a long weekend in Hamburg, where I had a short workday that Sunday. We were watching the news sort of half paying attention when the scene from THE press conference in East Berlin was shown. We stared at each other in disbelief. "Did you just hear what I think I just heard?" It was repeated several times, and live TV teams on both sides of the wall were sending in reports one after the other. We got a laugh at the East German border guards, who just a day before would have been spit on by their own people if it hadn't meant an instant death sentence. Instead they were getting unaccustomed high fives from East Berliners as they crossed the barriers to the West unhindered. Their very confused expressions were enough to make us laugh out loud. Over 99% of the Easterners returned home that night, but they just wanted the FREEDOM to go over. The next morning, Hamburg, which is only 50 KM from the old border, was full of East Germans, gawking at a world they had only seen on TV. Only 30 miles away, up to then, it might as well have been on Mars, considering how inaccessible it had been for them.

Interestingly, German TV had an interview, 20 years later, with one of the ranking officers at one of the old border crossings in East Berlin. All his professional life, it had been his job to arrest or kill anyone trying to "escape" to the West. Suddenly he was confronted by a crowd of thousands demanding that he open the border and let them cross as it was now suddenly legal. In their disorganization, the East Germans hadn't informed their own border posts of the political decision of the afternoon. Actually, there was some confusion within the Politburo as to what exactly HAD been decided, but once the live press conference had been shown on TV and repeated every two minutes by Western TV, there was no turning back. Politburo member Günter Schabowski was announcing the decision to let Easterners visit the west without any visa or permission. He was asked by a reporter when this would take effect. His answer was "nach meiner Kenntnis tritt das...sofort"--to my knowledge, it takes effect...immediately. That's all the East Berliners needed to hear. The former border guard admitted that he would have been able to "handle" ten people, but not two thousand. He was asked if he would have shot to kill if it had only been ten people, as that was his sworn duty. He said, with credible honesty, that he was very glad that he was never forced to find out.

Thanks for the kind words, by the way. Your sentiments are by no means universally shared!

[Jedi Guy]

74. It must have been so cool to witness that, given its significance both then and later.

I can only imagine how the East Germans felt when they were free for the first time to cross to the West. The emotional impact of crossing that bit of the Iron Curtain... indescribable. I still think of all the East Germans throughout the Cold War who risked it all to get out, from Conrad Schumann's successful sprint to Peter Fechter's attempt resulting in his bleeding out in the death strip, and all the others... so many people risking it all to get away from the tyranny of the DDR.

When I was around 12 years old, I got to attend my grandpa's reunion with his WWII buddies. One of them, a fellow named Moon Mullins, had a son who was stationed in West Germany when the Wall fell. I guess I impressed him somehow, because he gave me a piece of the Wall. His son had taken several fragments as souvenirs. I regret to say that I lost it at some point over the years, but I still think about it from time to time.

If you have any other interesting stories you'd care to share, please feel free to DM me. I'd love to read them!

As for the folks who don't like your posts, to hell with them! Haters gonna hate.

[DFW]

76. We had friends in East Berlin in the seventies.

The guy was an idealistic musician who had no concept of what it meant to earn your own living, and wife was a technician of some sort. Her dad worked for the Stasi and they wanted to move to the West. But they got permission after nearly two years. The „realexistierender Sozialismus,“ or „true existing socialism,“ apparently decided they had no skills they wanted to retain. Their bureaucracy was so cumbersome, the woman only told her dad the day before they were leaving, and he hadn‘t been aware of their plans before that. The East Germans had a law that forbade more than four people to congregate in a public place. The German socialists were so like today‘s Republicans: nothing scared them so much as their own people.

West Germany in those days used to throw money at newly arrived people from the East, which only reinforced their false image of the West as paradise, which only deepened their disappointment when the free money ran out. My wife, a social worker, used to complain that the West German government „stuffed powdered sugar up their asses,“ get them used to it, and then then experience a hard landing, not prepared—or preparing—for the time when their free ride was over.

I remember a comic strip called „Moon Mullins.“ I never heard of someone actually calling themselves that!

As for people who dump on my posts, well if I get a fact wrong, I‘m fair game for corrections like anyone else. And the ones who call me Libertarian, or corporate, or whatever passes for a dirty word this week, I would say that if they need to resort to that kind of labeling to get their jollies, I think I‘m happier in my skin than they are in their own.

[JohnnyRingo]

21. I agree.

'nuff said.

[WarGamer]

23. I've been around the world. Several times, lol...

Germany is the ONLY country I can think of (off the top of my head) that doesn't have monuments, memorials and such things for thugs and despots. Ok, Japan, too.

I've been to Moscow. You can guess what can be seen there.

I've been to France, China, UK, Italy, Turkey... and many more.

Seen monuments to "State" heroes, killers of millions.

[DFW]

31. My family was once at a gathering in the USA where the teenagers were to talk about their heroes

My 17-year-old (at the time) daughter was all upset, because having been raised in Western Germany, the whole concept of heroes was considered negative, and discouraged--a reaction to the Wagnerian orientation of the Nazis. So she was very upset at being asked to participate in a seminar where they were expected to talk about their heroes.

My wife and I calmed her down, just told her she should say that she was born and raised in Germany, and explain why the whole notion of heroes where she grew up was discouraged and had a negative connotation to it. She was reluctant, but agreed to say that. She turned out to be the hit of her seminar, having introduced a point of view and a perspective none of the American kids had ever heard of before, and found fascinating. Some of the young people she met there are still her friends today, 20 years later.

[WarGamer]

35. that's really cool... thanks!

[thucythucy]

44. Not to mention our own century plus of glorifying assorted war criminals and slavers

and white supremacists such as Nathan Bedford Forest, Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson.

Then too, the president who inflicted "The Trail of Tears" on an entire First Nation continues to be featured on our currency.

The only war criminal tried and executed for his crimes after the Civil War was the commandant of Andersonville.

And he was a German.

[BGBD]

34. I don't think there's

another example of a country that has tributes to the losing team in a civil war.

[WarGamer]

36. Sure there is...

Just about every example I can think of...

English Civil War... King Charles statue near Trafalgar Square

Roman Civil War... Pompey Magnus remembered in art and monuments

Russian Civil War... yeah the Communists were pretty effective at erasing the memory of Tsarist Russia and the White Army. Although in modern times they've had their reputations restored and the Church has named them as martyrs (Romanov family).

[BGBD]

38. OK, a few examples

but I don't think there's any comparison to the number of confederate monuments across the county. Every little town across the south has at least one..

[uponit7771]

39. yep

[thucythucy]

45. With the possible exception of the Russian Civil War

I don't think there's quite the contrast between the two sides that you see in the American Civil War.

True, the North wasn't free of its own racism and white supremacy, but the South was fighting--and dying--to defend that ideology and the institution of slavery at all costs. As Lincoln said (and I'm paraphrasing) one side was willing to go to war to defend slavery, the other was willing to endure a war to keep the nation together. The one side (the North) had its flaws, the "ideals" of the South were completely indefensible except by blatant racists.

The English Civil War was a fight between royalists and Parliamentarians, but neither side was particularly less egregious when it came to atrocities and such. The Parliamentarians were just as committed to religious intolerance, the persecution of perceived witches, the colonization of Ireland, etc. as the Royalists. And the War of the Roses was essentially a dynastic struggle between families and factions fighting for raw power. Not much to distinguish one from the other.

The same is pretty much true of the various Roman civil conflicts and wars. One faction of violent thugs fighting for power against another faction of violent thugs. To the average Roman citizen, let alone some dirt poor farmer or a slave anywhere in the Republic/Empire, there really wasn't much difference between Caesar and Pompey, or Antony and Octavia.

The Russian Civil war is also perhaps somewhat ambiguous. We know about the horrors that followed the victory by Lenin and Trotsky. We also know about the repression under the Tsars. We can't know what would have happened following a victory by the Whites over the Reds, although it's difficult to imagine how anything could have been worse than Stalin. There was an attempt at "de-Stalinization"--Khrushchev's speech in 1956 for starters--though when I was in Russia I thought I discerned a certain nostalgia for "the good old days" when Russia was "great." Indeed, a big part of Putin's appeal was his promise to "make Russia great again." There was even a whole trade in Soviet kitsch, which I guess proves your basic point.

Anyway, please forgive the lecture, I'm just rambling here. Your point is well taken, but I thought i'd throw in a little nuance, for what it's worth.

Best wishes.

[BGBD]

50. A victor of the Whites

over the Reds I think would be most akin to Federalists beating Confederates here. I don't think you'd see a lot of Lenin statues in Russia. I don't think there would be public displays of the hammer and sickle. I think all reference to the communist revolution would have been obliterated.

[thucythucy]

53. I was in St. Petersburg and Moscow

after the fall of the USSR, and I ran into some nostalgia for the old Soviet Union.

Lots of people lost their jobs or had to take lower paying jobs after the collapse. Pensions and health benefits were cut for lots of people, also child care for working women. And human rights under Putin don't seem to have improved all that much, unless you're a millionaire or a Putin loyalist/crony.

I didn't however see lots of new references or monuments to the Soviet era, though many of the old murals, monuments and such remain in place.

And I wouldn't compare the whites in Russia to the Union forces in our civil war. They were fighting for a reimposition of the old regime, which was marked by brutal repression and the absolute exploitation of workers and farmers. Stalin of course was much worse, but as I said there's no telling how bad a reinstalled Tsar would have been. Instead of Stalin, we might have had a more modern version of Ivan the Terrible. It is of course impossible to know, since history turned out as it did.

[BGBD]

54. I agree

Which is why I think the Tsars would have obliterated all references to the revolution while that didn't happen here.

Not speaking in similarity of them in any way other than being the force in power and facing a revolt.

[WarGamer]

62. thanks for the discussion, I truly appreciate it.

Great points.

[Progressive Jones]

37. I'm disgusted in every possible way by worship of the Confederacy.

For years I've called for making any sort of positive public display of the Confederacy on US soil a felony.
We wouldn't have these problems if the Confederacy hadn't been so easily allowed back into the United States.
The re-education of the former Confederate region was not completed.

[Behind the Aegis]

41. ...

Who is Sarah Guilford and why does she think people would even care enough to be that concerned about Jews?!

[Richard D]

48. Not to mention . . . .

. . . the descendants of the 110,100 Union soldiers killed in the war.

[Tommy Carcetti]

49. The Motherland statute still stands unaltered in Kyiv, Ukraine.

There's long been a debate what to do with it--some simply want to scrape the Soviet emblem off her shield, others want to take it down entirely.

There's actually a lot of old Soviet mosaics sitting around in various parts of the country. They've basically faded into the background--literally decaying and falling apart from neglect. They're almost curious relics of the past, although they serve as a reminder of what many Ukrainians refer to as the "Bad Old Days" of Soviet repression.

[BGBD]

51. Thinking about this more....

There are some Nazi related monuments in existence. Isn't there at least one monument dedicated to Erwin Rommel?

Rommel gets special treatment, for a Nazi. He's remembered as a great general who was fighting for Germany and not the Nazi cause. He's credited for trying to assassinate Hitler. Of course, a lot of that is just whitewashing. He was happy that Hitler took control and regardless of whatever feelings he may have had, was lending his service to a regime that would have enslaved and murdered as much of the non-white/straight/unhandicapped world as possible.

As somebody else said, if you helped the Nazi's, you're a Nazi.

[toughtony]

57. Never compare these two atrocities

It diminishes the impact of both.

[sheshe2]

60. No it does not. nt

[uponit7771]

75. Disagree 100%, both groups were systematically dehumanized in extreme ways

[lsewpershad]

59. Do you know

How many blacks were slaughtered by Hitler and the Natzis during that same period?

[H2O Man]

61. Recommended.