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TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 02:49 AM Jul 2021

Are New York and California State Legislators Interested In Defending Democracy?

State Republicans all over the country are SHAMELESSLY preparing to rig the voting system in their favour using voter suppression and gerrymandering. Federal Democrats appear to be (for the moment) powerless to stop them using federal law.

So, how about this? California and New York vow to gerrymander the hell out of their own congressional districts, unless the Republican State legislators, and the Republicans on Capitol Hill back off, and let the For The People Act pass.

California and New York currently have 11 and 8 Republicans in the House, respectively. If they wanted to, they could play the REPUBLICAN GAME, which they are playing unapologetically, and flip half of those seats by gerrymandering. Adding 10 to 15 more Democrats to the House for the next decade!

Democrats in California and New York should start lobbying their State politicians to put that on the table. We don't want to do it because it's anti-democratic. But if you insist on doing it, than we have no choice.

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Are New York and California State Legislators Interested In Defending Democracy? (Original Post) TrollBuster9090 Jul 2021 OP
I believe most think its a "black people thing" and not up in arms until they can't win another uponit7771 Jul 2021 #1
California is done by an independent commission ibegurpard Jul 2021 #2
"We don't want to do it because it's anti-democratic" No, we don't want to because its stupid policy brooklynite Jul 2021 #3
the fact is it would not gain us anywhere near 15 seats dsc Jul 2021 #4
How about allowing secession referenda? roamer65 Jul 2021 #5

uponit7771

(90,329 posts)
1. I believe most think its a "black people thing" and not up in arms until they can't win another
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 02:58 AM
Jul 2021

... election or GQP takes votes away.

Their finger to democracy should be hurting way more than a slogan hurt us.

brooklynite

(94,481 posts)
3. "We don't want to do it because it's anti-democratic" No, we don't want to because its stupid policy
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 07:18 AM
Jul 2021

Republicans in NY and CA are already weak; there's nothing left to "rescure". National Republicans would happily say that Democrats believe in Gerrymandering too, so no reason THEY shouldn't do it in States they control.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
4. the fact is it would not gain us anywhere near 15 seats
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 08:56 AM
Jul 2021

one, both states lose a seat so that 19 GOP seats becomes 17 from jump. Now, to gain 15 seats means holding them to 1 in each state or 2 in one and 0 in the other. That could only be done with a map drawn so extreme that any population shift could cost us big time. Plus we should have to screw our constituents in big cities by putting them in districts with rural conservatives. Maybe we can get 5 or 6 seats out of this

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
5. How about allowing secession referenda?
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 09:42 AM
Jul 2021

That would be much more effective.

Why would we stay under a federal government that does not represent our interests, due to corrupt apportionment of representation?

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