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MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 11:26 AM Jul 2021

A Positive Wells Fargo Bank Story - It's Not All Bad

I know it's common enough to go after Wells Fargo here, and many of the complaints are certainly justified. However, I've heard terrible tales about most large bank corporations. My experiences with Wells Fargo, however, have never involved any problems. I've had a couple of mortgages through them, and have had my accounts there for over 25 years. Never any issues.

That is not to say that others have not had serious issues with that bank. My strategy has always been to keep close track of my banking experience. Now that banking is mostly online, that's even easier to do. Any time there has been any issue at all, I have followed up on it immediately, and whatever it was got resolved.

On the other hand, there are some advantages of banking with a major bank corporation. For 17 years, I have been using one of the largest Wells Fargo branch offices as my local bank. It was near our previous home, and any special needs, like notary public access and other seldom-needed banking processes were easy, since there were always several bankers on hand when you needed them.

Also, when I had to act as Trustee for my late parents' estate this year, I discovered just how competent the bankers at that branch really were. I needed to set up a trust account to process the estate's assets. It took less than an hour to get everything set up for that, and I had secure, exclusive online access to that account, as well, making lots of stuff much easier. The banker at that branch quickly and efficiently took care of everything for me, from setting up a trust, helping me acquire an EIN from the IRS for it, being available on short notice to notarize dozens of documents, etc. Now, I might have gotten similar services from a smaller bank, but it was so easy at a large branch office. When I needed to distribute funds, I could set up a wire transfer in just minutes. It was all just routine for the guy who acted as my banker there.

Now, we've moved to a new part of the Twin Cities, and that branch is a 40-minute drive away. The nearest WF branch office, which is 5-minutes away, is a very small branch. A couple of days ago, a cashier's check from one of the last bank accounts my parents had arrived in the mail, so I drove to that small branch to deposit it in the trust account. That was when I learned the value of a large banking corporation's network. I walked in, inserted the trust account's debit card at the teller's window and that branch was as big as it needed to be. I have to do another distribution that involves a wire transfer, so I asked if they could do that for me. The branch manager was summoned and she said, "No problem. When do you want to come in?" I told her and got an appointment on the spot. She'll be the banker for that transaction.

Does Wells Fargo suck? I guess it depends on what you need. If you need nationwide banking with every branch part of an integrated network, it doesn't suck too much. My parents banked with a local small bank system in California. Dealing with them during the management of their estate has been very, very difficult. I've gotten it done, but they do not have the broad capabilities that a major bank like Wells Fargo does. The hassles, particularly when working with them from a remote location, have been huge. Some have even required intervention by the estate's attorney, and even a court order, in one case.

So, there's something to be said on both sides, both for and against major bank corporations. I'm not a fan boi for big banking, but I can see how their reach can be very useful at times.



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A Positive Wells Fargo Bank Story - It's Not All Bad (Original Post) MineralMan Jul 2021 OP
Plus a Negative Story about a Small Bank MineralMan Jul 2021 #1
If you're satisfied with their service that's great. I prefer credit unions; Ocelot II Jul 2021 #2
No doubt they're fine for routine services. MineralMan Jul 2021 #5
This particular credit union, which is quite large, can handle those kinds of matters. Ocelot II Jul 2021 #6
I'm sure it varies from one credit union to another. MineralMan Jul 2021 #7
Worked there for 22 years CrackityJones75 Jul 2021 #3
You're probably dealing with a banking culture set by the old Norwest Klaralven Jul 2021 #4

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
1. Plus a Negative Story about a Small Bank
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 11:36 AM
Jul 2021

In 1968, while serving in the USAF, I was home in my small town on leave before heading to my next assignment in Turkey. I had a checking account in a local bank in that home town. I wanted about $50 worth of Turkish Lira before I left for my new base, to cover cab fares and meals while in transit. I had a layover in Istanbul before the next day's flight to Samsun on the Black Sea coast.

So, I went into the local bank branch to see if they could do the exchange. "Sure," the teller said. "We can do that." I knew the exchange rate so I said I wanted 450 Turkish Lira for walking around money for the trip. At the fixed 9:1 Turkish Lira per Dollar conversion rate, that came to $50. So, the teller said "That will be $4050.00. We can have it for you tomorrow. Do you have that much in your account?" I explained that she got the conversion backwards. "No. That's the rate."

It took the branch manager to straighten things out. I got my Lira the next day, but what a hassle!

Ocelot II

(115,676 posts)
2. If you're satisfied with their service that's great. I prefer credit unions;
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 11:37 AM
Jul 2021

the one I have been using for the last 20 years has all the same services as a major bank, with the exception of wide distribution of its own no-fee ATMs - but that's not a problem for me because I rarely use cash any more. The credit union's interest rates have always been better than those of any of the commercial banks (and I've checked); they have very good financial planning services, online bill-paying, and all the other bells and whistles of a big bank. Their customer service has always been excellent as well. So, whatever works for ya - but I am a big fan of credit unions vs. banks.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
5. No doubt they're fine for routine services.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 11:48 AM
Jul 2021

It's only when you need more than the routine services that a major bank can be more helpful. That's what I'm talking about. I never even considered that I might be the Trustee for a Family Trust and have to do more complicated things than normal banking. That's where the training, etc. that bankers at a major bank receive comes in. For example, setting up that trust account was more complicated than I expected. The trust existed already, but had no bank accounts under its name. I had the trust documents, naming me as the Trustee, along with other documents that were needed. In fact, I had a portfolio with everything that might be needed in hand, including my own birth certificate, and other documents. I took everything with me. Establishing an account was the issue. An EIN was required, which didn't exist for that trust. I was clueless. Fortunately, the banker was not clueless.

The banker at that branch had done all of that before, and knew exactly what was needed. He also had phone access to the Wells Fargo legal department to answer a couple of questions. I had no idea what was involved, so I had to rely on the banker. Within an hour, everything was set up and functioning.

Try that at your local credit union.

Ocelot II

(115,676 posts)
6. This particular credit union, which is quite large, can handle those kinds of matters.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 11:53 AM
Jul 2021

A smaller one might not, just as a small commercial bank might not either.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
7. I'm sure it varies from one credit union to another.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 12:37 PM
Jul 2021

I guess I'm just saying that there are times when dealing with a large organization can have its benefits. I know that I never thought I'd need any of those services until this year.

At this point, almost all of the transactions of dealing with my late parents' estate are wrapped up. There are a couple still remaining, but they don't involve particularly large sums. I've been triaging all of this, starting with the largest and moving down the line.

I'm done with the need for the trust's attorney now, which is good. We developed a good relationship during all of this, and I've been doing most of the grunt work with his guidance. Keeping his billable hours to a minimum has been a major goal. He started out being skeptical about my ability to work through some knotty issues, but ended up congratulating me for managing a lot of things he would normally have to do.

We wrapped up the entire, complicated estate process in just 6 months, which he said was a record in his experience. Unlike him, I was able to deal directly with a lot of people and organizations, through active participation in communications and a little corner-cutting. From completing the sale of their farm property, which was in escrow when they died, to short-cutting the process with their bank accounts, I was able to expedite people's actions through effective communications. It has been very, very complex and nerve-wracking, to say the least.

My parents were 96 when they died, and the family trust was only set up in 2016. By then, my father was not nearly as sharp as he was in previous years, so he neglected some things he should have done. One of those was not actually putting their bank accounts in trust, even though they were all identified in the trust documents. The attorney told me that was going to lead to a lengthy probate period. I said, "Hmm...let me look into that."

So, I did some research, and found an old court case that was a perfect match for the situation. It was resolved by a successful pleading in probate court that led to the court ruling that the accounts be put in trust. Additional research showed that that old case had led to a precedent and established a pleading process with the name of that case that had been used in some later cases. So, I forwarded the information to my attorney, with citations. He said, "Damn! Do you want a job doing research for me?" I laughed, but he filed a pleading based on and named after that obscure precedent, using one of the successful pleadings I discovered. It worked, and a court order was issued, following a brief hearing with no opposition, requiring the banks to put the accounts in trust after the fact. The assets have been delivered so I can distribute them now. The attorney forwarded a communication from the judge, congratulating him on a "perfect filing."

Maybe I missed my calling.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
3. Worked there for 22 years
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 11:44 AM
Jul 2021

I worked there for 22 years starting in MN when it was the local Norwest bank. The merger of Norwest and Wells was a good one for the most part. Wells was interested in bringing on board the Norwest way of business after trying to heal its issues it already had on the west coast. Norwest wanted in on the west coast mortgage market.

Things were mostly fine until the Wachovia merger. That’s when shit went REALLY bad. The culture of Wachovia infected what was a fairly decent company at the time and the rot continued. I left Wells Fargo after 22 years because I could no longer stand the company. Trust me when I tell you that when I left there was absolutely NOTHING good about it. NOTHING. The culture was horrible. The treatment of employees was awful. The treatment of its customers, their privacy, their interests was abominable to historic proportions.

Stay away from that company if you know what is good for you. Everything about it is a “cover our asses as best we can” outlook.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
4. You're probably dealing with a banking culture set by the old Norwest
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 11:44 AM
Jul 2021

Wells is a roll up of Norwest, Wells Fargo, First Interstate, Wachovia, First Union and others too numerous to mention.

Your mileage may vary depending on which former bank the local organization came from.

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