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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 08:42 PM Jul 2021

President Biden fired the Social Security Administrator and forced his

assistant to resign late this afternoon. The President’s action came after a second Supreme Court ruling in June saying that the Executive Branch could get rid is single heads of Agencies.

The Agency will be temporarily run by a Black woman, Kilolo Kijtakazi. Saul has promised to fight his firing, but he faces an uphill battle given two recent Supreme Court rulings.

Good riddance to bad trash.

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President Biden fired the Social Security Administrator and forced his (Original Post) Blue_true Jul 2021 OP
Another trump asshole bites the dust mdbl Jul 2021 #1
+1000 Niagara Jul 2021 #5
What did he get up to while in office? [nt] Nexus2 Jul 2021 #23
Eleminating telework a couple of months before the pandemic Blue_Adept Jul 2021 #27
Good, and I assume we dont have the votes to get rid of the nazi DeJoy...or he would be gone Eliot Rosewater Jul 2021 #2
I am sure that President Biden has a target on that asshole's back. Blue_true Jul 2021 #3
DeJoy is going to go. The board has already had some replacements. marble falls Jul 2021 #12
3-6 quakerboy Jul 2021 #21
He'll be gone long before the next election. marble falls Jul 2021 #26
DeJoy, by a very wide margin SCantiGOP Jul 2021 #13
People Are Raising Holy Hell In My Neck Of THe Woods Me. Jul 2021 #15
What about the Postal Service? That would have been my first move Under The Radar Jul 2021 #4
Not yet. DeJoy is somewhat shielded by the Postal Board. Blue_true Jul 2021 #6
The 3 open nominees were approved by the end of May BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #9
Trump, not Obama. quakerboy Jul 2021 #22
Thanks for that clarification BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #25
I would argue that he has already made his stand plain quakerboy Jul 2021 #41
Yes BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #42
Have his Democratic given any reason why!? [nt] Nexus2 Jul 2021 #24
have ss meet him at the front gate & remove his security clearance & pass's !! monkeyman1 Jul 2021 #7
He is working remotely, even after he took that away from many rank Blue_true Jul 2021 #19
No Doubt ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #31
He will find out Monday morning. Blue_true Jul 2021 #36
He Probably Already Did ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #39
Good point. nt Blue_true Jul 2021 #40
YAY I have been waiting for this. Wished it was sooner. n/t. airplaneman Jul 2021 #8
I'm liking this Biden guy. NBachers Jul 2021 #10
Could this happen to DeJoy? Ferrets are Cool Jul 2021 #11
Yes, but more difficult, the Postal Board would need to cancel his employment. Blue_true Jul 2021 #20
Amen Joinfortmill Jul 2021 #14
Good. quakerboy Jul 2021 #16
Yippee huzzah, hear hear - UTUSN Jul 2021 #17
Would get excited if it really changed anything regarding Soc Security. Hoyt Jul 2021 #18
Is he the reason why no one could get disability without applying like 3 or more times? TigressDem Jul 2021 #28
Yes. Blue_true Jul 2021 #37
What about the Crook in the Postal Service? nvme Jul 2021 #29
He is being worked. The Postal Board shields him and the current makeup of Blue_true Jul 2021 #38
If Saul thinks the Supreme Court is going to reverse a months-old decision for his benefit alone DFW Jul 2021 #30
He Says He Doesn't Acknowledge... ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #32
As a Trumpanzee, he of all people should know the meaning of "You're fired!" n/t DFW Jul 2021 #33
That Thought Did Occur To Me! ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #34
He seems to have an equally difficult time dealing with it, too! N/t DFW Jul 2021 #35

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
27. Eleminating telework a couple of months before the pandemic
Sat Jul 10, 2021, 08:01 AM
Jul 2021

Plus Trump's admin sold off a ton of govt property so there isn't a lot of space for people to return to, including the SSA.

A lot are going to be on permanent telework now.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
2. Good, and I assume we dont have the votes to get rid of the nazi DeJoy...or he would be gone
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 08:54 PM
Jul 2021

There are board members but DeJoy is one vote and he is the deciding vote right now I think.

Too bad those board members cant be fired.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
3. I am sure that President Biden has a target on that asshole's back.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 09:00 PM
Jul 2021

I believe any issue that can be used to get rid of DeJoy will be used.

It used to be that republican holdovers were at the minimum respectful toward the incoming administration. The Trump assholes seem to have been put in place to cause as much chaos as possible.

President Biden fired the Trumper head of the Consumer Finance Agency the very day of the first Supreme Court ruling. It took a few weeks after the second to get rid of Saul.

quakerboy

(13,919 posts)
21. 3-6
Sat Jul 10, 2021, 04:22 AM
Jul 2021

of 9 votes, we have 3 (likely) to replace dejoy. The 6 that preceded Biden coming to office have all made their allegiance to Dejoy clear. Even the "democrats" trump put on the board.

Biden would need to fire at least two to get it done. Or wait until after the next election, based on their planned terms.

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
13. DeJoy, by a very wide margin
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 10:24 PM
Jul 2021

is the guy I want to see gone.
It’s not just that his politics are abhorrent, he is incredibly incompetent.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
15. People Are Raising Holy Hell In My Neck Of THe Woods
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 10:37 PM
Jul 2021

A friend told me today she hasn't gotten any mail in a month.

“Mail from one local post office has been delayed so often that a local assembly member wrote to the postmaster general to try to get things jumpstarted. The Planetarium Post Office on 83rd Street between Columbus and Amsterdam has had significant delays in getting mail to customers, according to residents and Assembly member Linda Rosenthal….

Chuck Zlatkin, the Legislative Political Director of the NY Metro Area Postal Union (the largest branch of the American Postal Workers Union), said that the issues that people on the Upper West Side and throughout the city are experiencing start from the very top of the USPS. “Fundamentally what people are seeing locally is really a national problem, a severe problem,” he said. Zlatkin specifically cited Postmaster General Louis DeJoy’s ten year “back to basics” proposal which has been characterized as an austerity plan. The proposal, while saving the USPS more than $160 billion, will lead to “longer first-class delivery windows, reduced post office hours and higher postage prices,” The Washington Post reported.

Zlatkin said that most union members are against DeJoy’s changes. “To many of them it’s more than just a job. They’re aware of how important that mail is,” he said. Workers at the Planetarium Post Office did not make any supervisors or administrators available for comment. A USPS spokesperson wrote in an email that “The postal service remains committed to working with our partners in government to resolve all stakeholders inquiries.”
The spokesperson said that it would not respond in more detail until it sends a letter back to Rep. Rosenthal.

https://www.westsiderag.com/2021/07/06/post-office-delays-lead-residents-to-frantically-search-for-mail

Under The Radar

(3,401 posts)
4. What about the Postal Service? That would have been my first move
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 09:01 PM
Jul 2021

Dejoy would have had the most embarrassing termination, I would have even sold it to Pay-per-view

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
6. Not yet. DeJoy is somewhat shielded by the Postal Board.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 09:07 PM
Jul 2021

From what I have read, a couple of the incumbent democrats on the Board currently support him. I don’t know whether the two new people that President Biden nominated have been approved yet.

BumRushDaShow

(128,860 posts)
9. The 3 open nominees were approved by the end of May
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 09:47 PM
Jul 2021
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-business-government-and-politics-79ff51acd91366b6ff1d5340bb27b93d

One other (D) slot originally appointed by Obama (Ron Bloom), whose term was up last December, is being retained for an additional year (which is permitted), and was named the Chair.

quakerboy

(13,919 posts)
22. Trump, not Obama.
Sat Jul 10, 2021, 04:26 AM
Jul 2021

Bloom served in the Obama Administration in other capacities, then went back into private industry, and was then put on the postal board by Trump.

And has made his support of Dejoy clear, to date.

BumRushDaShow

(128,860 posts)
25. Thanks for that clarification
Sat Jul 10, 2021, 07:21 AM
Jul 2021


He did serve under Obama and was apparently trusted, and was more of a "behind the scenes" type pragmatist. But as with any partisan Commissioner under a particular Administration, you have some who "go with the flow" and others who are very vocal and combative when serving under the opposition party's Administration.

So it remains to be seen given the outcome of the election, where he will eventually stand.

However in this particular case, he had been nominated to fill a Board slot that eventually expired this past December and the option to extend that slot's term for 1 year was exercised. So he is only going to be there for another 5 months and then absent any renomination, either for that slot or another that comes up (there's a slot occupied by a Republican currently up this December), he will be gone. In general, no more than 5 of the 9 members can be from the same party.

USPS 10-year strategy will address ‘unacceptable’ service delays, DeJoy tells board

Jory Heckman | @jheckmanWFED
February 9, 2021 12:19 pm
4 min read

(snip)

The USPS Board of Governors elected Ron Bloom, a former senior Treasury Department official during the Obama administration, to serve as its next chairman.

Bloom, one of two Democrats on the board, is serving the remainder of a term that expired in December, but is eligible to stay on the board for an additional holdover year.

The board elected Bloom to its top position after former chairman Robert “Mike” Duncan, a Republican, announced that he wouldn’t opt for re-election, but will stay on the board through the end of his term, which ends in December 2025.

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/agency-oversight/2021/02/usps-10-year-strategy-will-address-unacceptable-service-delays-dejoy-tells-board/

quakerboy

(13,919 posts)
41. I would argue that he has already made his stand plain
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 04:23 AM
Jul 2021

As i understand it there was a fairly recent 6-0 vote in favor of Dejoy and his actions. Memory could be betraying me, but i believe it was post election, but obviously pre the addition of bidens three nominees.

How much more damage will be done by the time anyones terms or extended terms have expired?

I will say this: I think biden might have set up a very beneficial situation, if things hold. He put in an independant. Not sure, But im hoping that means that he could then have 5 dems, an independant, and three R's. but only if we do it soon. Otherwise Dejoy will use the PO to help steal the next election.

I'd also make the assertion that EVERY single trump placement in any part of government should be purged. Removed, their offices and computers carefully cleaned and examined, all their records placed under investigation. He did not "hire" honest people.

BumRushDaShow

(128,860 posts)
42. Yes
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 06:15 AM
Jul 2021

I do recall the reporting of the Board's "confidence vote" in DeJoy - but that was before having all the positions filled on the Board. In fact I had read that from 2011 until I think 2019, the Board never obtained full membership (mostly because the GOP blocked all of Obama's Postal Board nominations, pre-"nuclear option", so I expect the push under Obama (with Reid's help initially) was then to at least get judges confirmed rather than jump up and down about the Postal Board) -

How the Postal Service Became Donald Trump's for the Taking

By Alana Abramson
Updated: August 20, 2020 4:21 PM EDT | Originally published: August 20, 2020 3:48 PM EDT

(snip)

But Trump’s impulsiveness doesn’t explain everything, according to experts on the USPS and postal union representatives. When the President took office three and a half years ago, he inherited an empty Board of Governors. For years, Congress had refused to confirm any of Barack Obama’s nominees to the Board, due to infighting on both sides of the aisle. Trump was therefore handed the opportunity to fill the Board of Governors with a majority of members—many of whom are business executives with ties to the Republican party—who shared his cost-cutting vision.

“I had never heard of anything like it in the U.S. government,” says James Sauber, chief of staff for the National Association of Letter Carriers, of the empty Board of Governors. “It was pretty extraordinary.”

There are nine slots allotted for the USPS Board of Governors. They function in a capacity akin a corporate board of a company, collectively appointing a Postmaster General and Deputy Postmaster General. The board is designed to be bipartisan by nature. While a sitting President appoints members when vacancies arise, no more than five members can be from the same party, and all nominees are subject to Congressional confirmation. Members are also elected to serve for seven year terms, ensuring that their tenure lasts through at least one Presidential administration.

By 2014, there were fewer than six members on the Board of Governors, which meant the body lacked a quorum and was unable to perform key functions. But while Obama nominated seven people to fill those vacancies, according to a 2018 report from the Congressional Research Service, none received a vote in the Senate.

https://time.com/5882006/usps-board-governors-trump/


And that's an interesting thought about the "Independent" (Amber McReynolds) -

Prominent vote-by-mail advocate is Biden pick for Postal Service board
David Hawkings
Feb. 25

The reversal of voting by mail's standing and credibility, with Donald Trump gone and Washington newly in Democratic hands, appears complete.

A symbolic capstone on the transformation — from obscure second-tier cause of democracy reformers before the pandemic, to the heart of Trump's crusade of lies about the election, and now to an established aspect of good governance — was delivered Wednesday by President Biden. He said he wanted to put Amber McReynolds, the most prominent evangelist for absentee balloting as head of the National Vote at Home Institute, on the board that oversees the Postal Service.

Assuming she is confirmed by the Senate, which seems likely given initial positive reaction to the nomination, McReynolds would bring several types of diversity to the job. She would become the only woman on the board, and also its first member with expertise about how the beleaguered USPS could become a lasting force for good in the electoral system.

Of the three Biden proposed for the board of governors, McReynolds is also the only political independent. But her tiny nonprofit advocacy group has gained outsized influence among the mainly left-leaning voting rights organizations that pushed last year to make access to the ballot box easier because of Covid-19 — and are now working to protect those gains from a barrage of Republican efforts in state capitals to roll back the rules.

https://thefulcrum.us/amber-mcreynolds


IMHO, Biden should play that card of her not being associated as a member of the Democratic Party and thus be able to seat a new Democrat in December. She was sworn in June 15th of this year (and her slot's term goes until 2026). It's a long game requiring a couple month wait to get it done, but it might (hopefully) reap our objective of getting DeJoy out.

And regarding sifting through the government and finding the booby-trap appointees, as we can see, that has taken time. They are landmines needing to be detected and detonated, and as each one is "outed", we hear the "explosive" squealing as it happens.

I do know that there are certain "Commission" members (from designated "independent agencies" ) who by law cannot be removed "at the pleasure of the President" nor "for cause", and those types are relatively few. But Presidents can "remove" a sitting member from the Chair position and install a new one (depending on statutory authority for that Commission), while retaining that previous Chair in their termed position in a non-leadership role (assuming they don't go on and resign), which would at least shift the balance.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
19. He is working remotely, even after he took that away from many rank
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 11:46 PM
Jul 2021

and file employees. He claim that he will sign on remotely Monday morning. My guess is he has a surprise coming, his credentials likely got removed a few hours ago.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
31. No Doubt
Sat Jul 10, 2021, 07:46 PM
Jul 2021

I think it's a near certainty that his account was deactivated & archived instantaneously.
On my last day before retirement, an IT guy called me to ask when I thought I was leaving.
He didn't want to deactivate too soon, but knew it was today.
I knew I was leaving at 10:30, so I told him noon.
They had their finger on the button and I wasn't being kicked out. I was retiring!
This guy's account was terminated 2 seconds after the WH called & said the firing was complete.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
20. Yes, but more difficult, the Postal Board would need to cancel his employment.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 11:48 PM
Jul 2021

President Biden has two new Board choices that may be in approval.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
18. Would get excited if it really changed anything regarding Soc Security.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 11:24 PM
Jul 2021

Legislation is all that’s going to do that. But, no need to keep a trumpster around.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
28. Is he the reason why no one could get disability without applying like 3 or more times?
Sat Jul 10, 2021, 05:53 PM
Jul 2021

I have heard that if you don't have a lawyer, it's hard to get SSI at all.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
37. Yes.
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 07:19 PM
Jul 2021

He was very hostile to that public responsibility.

Anyone who is a longtime pal of Donald Trump is 100% certain to be a lousy human being.

nvme

(860 posts)
29. What about the Crook in the Postal Service?
Sat Jul 10, 2021, 06:16 PM
Jul 2021

He is doing fcukloads of trouble since his appointment by the GReat Pumpkin.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
38. He is being worked. The Postal Board shields him and the current makeup of
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 07:20 PM
Jul 2021

that board is not in our favor.

DFW

(54,356 posts)
30. If Saul thinks the Supreme Court is going to reverse a months-old decision for his benefit alone
Sat Jul 10, 2021, 07:36 PM
Jul 2021

I want some of what he is smoking, and I don't even smoke!

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
32. He Says He Doesn't Acknowledge...
Sat Jul 10, 2021, 07:49 PM
Jul 2021

...the presidential authority to fire him and still considers himself the chief administrator of SSA.
Saulie, buddy; that's not how getting fired works.

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