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marmar

(77,053 posts)
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 10:19 AM Jul 2021

The high cost of being a recalcitrant ***hole when flying



The Federal Aviation Administration continues to battle hostile passenger behavior aboard commercial flights, handing out $119,000 in new fines this week for misconduct on planes.

The FAA has received 3,271 reports of unruly behavior by passengers since the beginning of the year. About 2,475 of those reports involved refusal to wear face masks.

Flight attendant Paul Hartshorn Jr. called the increase of these airline incidents “absolutely staggering.” Some confrontations have been so egregious, they’ve disrupted entire airline schedules.

“We’ve seen flights delayed, cancelled, and multiple diversions to the Midwest. This has all been happening in numbers that we’ve never seen before,” said Harshorn, a spokesperson for the Association of Professional Flight Attendants. ..............(more)

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/07/08/unfriendly-skies-faa-fines-unruly-passengers-plaguing-airlines/




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The high cost of being a recalcitrant ***hole when flying (Original Post) marmar Jul 2021 OP
This sounds coordinated to me gratuitous Jul 2021 #1
Maybe Sanity Claws Jul 2021 #2
☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️ PortTack Jul 2021 #3
Exactly this. Ocelot II Jul 2021 #5
Faux News had a lot to do with this RainCaster Jul 2021 #6
I'd say the former.... paleotn Jul 2021 #8
Trump brings out the inner asshole in everybody. hadEnuf Jul 2021 #9
Yep. nt Roisin Ni Fiachra Jul 2021 #14
Yes I think so too, mountain grammy Jul 2021 #15
Put all these people on the No Fly list Bayard Jul 2021 #4
A few days in jail might help deter also. dawg day Jul 2021 #7
+1,000,000 ... security is already in place to make it easy. Auggie Jul 2021 #10
Exactly! Thank you! Duppers Jul 2021 #18
Pet peeve of mine. Some may strongly disagree.... paleotn Jul 2021 #11
Not to mention what if an emergency situation happens. Mr.Bill Jul 2021 #17
Meanwhile in Canada .... there are 70 such cases. knightmaar Jul 2021 #12
What is going on? Didn't these people exist before Covid? mainer Jul 2021 #13
Then this woman had to be duct taped to the seat irisblue Jul 2021 #16

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
1. This sounds coordinated to me
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 10:27 AM
Jul 2021

What do you bet there's some closed Facebook group or low-profile website where these yahoos share their stories of fightin' for freedom by disrupting the airlines?

Sanity Claws

(21,840 posts)
2. Maybe
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 10:36 AM
Jul 2021

Or maybe Trump tapped into a latent feeling of entitlement among a surprisingly large group of people, who feel they can do what they want, when they want.
These folks think Trump gave them permission to act like this.

Ocelot II

(115,584 posts)
5. Exactly this.
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 10:58 AM
Jul 2021

Trump gave a lot of mean, dumb, resentful people permission to show their true colors.

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
15. Yes I think so too,
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 12:34 PM
Jul 2021

The assholes had their very own asshole president for 4 years and now they can't stop.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
7. A few days in jail might help deter also.
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 11:20 AM
Jul 2021

Isn't it a federal crime to refuse to follow the lawful directions of the flight crew?

And up the fines. These people don't mind wasting the cost of their plane ticket. Make the fine match how much it costs the airline to delay flights, compensate passengers, pay overtime. Flight crews can't work more than a certain number of hours a day, so delaying them screws up the schedule... sometimes for hundreds of passengers.
Make these performative aholes pay for it.

They'll think twice if they realize they're going to get fined the equivalent of a year's college tuition.

paleotn

(17,881 posts)
11. Pet peeve of mine. Some may strongly disagree....
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 12:17 PM
Jul 2021

Long before trumpism, I never thought it was a good idea to serve alcohol on commercial aircraft. In fact, I don't think alcohol should be available beyond the TSA check point. I simply don't like the idea of being stuck in a cramped, metal tube at 30K feet for hours on end with people who've been drinking. Nothing against alcohol. I drink off and on myself, but there are certain times and places where it's not appropriate or just not a good idea. It's asking for trouble.

Mr.Bill

(24,238 posts)
17. Not to mention what if an emergency situation happens.
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 01:06 PM
Jul 2021

When that plane landed on the Hudson river and I saw all those people who had to climb out on to the wing, I stopped drinking and taking sleeping pills on airplanes. I want to be sober and alert in that situation.

knightmaar

(748 posts)
12. Meanwhile in Canada .... there are 70 such cases.
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 12:19 PM
Jul 2021

Which I guess would be 700 if our nations were the same size.

So you've only go about 3.5x the asshole density that we have.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/airline-passengers-masks-fines-covid-1.5850825

"While Alberta has 11.5 per cent of Canada's population, 36.8 per cent of the incidents occurred on flights to or from an Alberta airport."

Sigh, Alberta.

mainer

(12,018 posts)
13. What is going on? Didn't these people exist before Covid?
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 12:21 PM
Jul 2021

It's such a weird phenomenon, seeing all this misbehavior now. Is it just the masks bringing it on?

irisblue

(32,928 posts)
16. Then this woman had to be duct taped to the seat
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 12:54 PM
Jul 2021

( blurred image at article)
source--https://www.fr24news.com/a/2021/07/video-shows-woman-taped-to-seat-after-trying-to-open-plane-door-on-american-airlines-flight.html


snip--"Just as the plane was about to land, an air hostess who was seated next to them explained that a woman with an apparent mental problem, “had a fit of anger and had want to get off the plane. And she said, “I have to get off this plane,” and she walked to the exits and started knocking on doors, saying, “You have to let me get off this plane!” “
“I guess it took all five flight attendants to overpower her and literally shoot her down,” she said of the incident, which was first reported by TMZ. “They pretty much lowered her, put her on the seat and covered her with duct tape. “


snip--"American Airlines confirmed the incident, telling the Post that the woman assaulted and bit a flight attendant after “attempting to open the front boarding gate” and was detained “for the safety and security of passengers. other customers and our crew ”.

Emergency personnel encountered the flight on the ground in Charlotte and took the woman to a local hospital, said the airline, which placed her on American’s “internal” no-fly list while waiting. investigation."


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