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iemanja

(53,003 posts)
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 06:29 PM Jul 2021

The question keeping Trump-loving men up at night: Why won't women date us?

Now the incels add political "discrimination" to their list of grievances. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch.

The newest entry in this pantheon of conservative lonely hearts comes from Eric Kaufmann, whose piece this week in the National Review, “Political Discrimination as Civil-Rights Struggle,” argues that college women’s disinterest in dating Trump supporters doesn’t just hurt their feelings, but is in fact discrimination. This, Kaufmann maintains, is evidence of a “progressive authoritarianism” that’s compelling “young elite Americans” to be turned off by “conservatives' resistance to racial, gender, and sexual progressivism.”

It’s true: A growing number of Americans are increasingly intolerant of racial, gender, and sexual intolerance. Bigotry just isn’t sexy, and few people seek partners who don’t acknowledge their full humanity. But for Kaufmann, the fault lies not with the people who hold noxious views, but with those who have the temerity to not want to get naked with them. His solution? If you can’t date, legislate. After identifying right-wing conservatives as a “small and declining political minority in elite institutions,” he calls for institutional remedies to prioritize this minority, writing, “Those on the right, along with freedom-minded allies on the left, will have to use government and the law to limit institutional autonomy just enough to protect individual freedoms.”

. . .

Of course, conservatives have repeatedly shown a willingness to dispense with their core principles when market forces turn against them. And Ross Douthat and Robin Hanson prove that when access to sex is at stake, conservatives get downright socialist real fast. What enrages these men isn’t the lack of opportunities for romantic discussions of marginal tax rates and defunding Medicare; it’s that women can choose what they do with their bodies, and with whom they do it. “Progressive authoritarianism” is simply a new name for the same kinds of fearmongering rhetoric that already drives conservative positions on abortion access, birth control, childcare, gender identity, and more, and no amount of academic jargon and economic bloviating can conceal it.

Most of us learn early in life that you can’t bully someone into liking you, that not all desire is reciprocal, and that we can all learn from self-examination. Those who apparently haven’t should keep this important dating tip in mind: When a critical mass of people find your values regressive, your political beliefs inhumane, and your political hero repellent, it’s not them. It’s you.


https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/question-keeping-trump-loving-men-night-why-won-t-women-ncna1273594
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The question keeping Trump-loving men up at night: Why won't women date us? (Original Post) iemanja Jul 2021 OP
Even better they can't find anyone to employ them. LakeArenal Jul 2021 #1
Liberals are killing so many jobs IronLionZion Jul 2021 #20
This little "problem" will eventually take care of itself Blue Owl Jul 2021 #2
"Progressive authoritarianism?" smirkymonkey Jul 2021 #3
"tiny little pea brains" is the key here. It doesn't take much LuckyLib Jul 2021 #35
They have tiny little somethings for sure.. AZ8theist Jul 2021 #48
I dunno, I can think of a few examples of progressive authoritarianism. Jedi Guy Jul 2021 #53
"The list" as to why...it would take days, maybe weeks to compile PortTack Jul 2021 #4
What list? It's really only 1 item long... Wounded Bear Jul 2021 #29
Because the kind of people that like Trump are cruel, self-centered and frankly ... Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #5
nice try asshole.... bahboo Jul 2021 #6
A friend of mine met a guy on a dating site kimbutgar Jul 2021 #7
Being a Trump supporter iemanja Jul 2021 #8
the only way to get their dicks sucked is to do each other scarytomcat Jul 2021 #28
Comfort women for incels? peacefreak2.0 Jul 2021 #9
Haha vercetti2021 Jul 2021 #10
That article is pretty funny iemanja Jul 2021 #12
Yes, it is funny! A John (yeah, he really is named John) we know is having major dating issues..... machoneman Jul 2021 #39
Hell to the yes!!!!!! N/t gay texan Jul 2021 #23
Maybe they need to date women that aren't in college TexasBushwhacker Jul 2021 #11
I don't think it is just college educated women iemanja Jul 2021 #14
It isn't, but that's where the biggest disparity is TexasBushwhacker Jul 2021 #47
Maybe they could meet a nice girl at church! COL Mustard Jul 2021 #22
Hah! Good one. Maybe she'll wear a 1860's style dress ala' the Handmaid's Tale, eh? Lovely! machoneman Jul 2021 #40
Li'l Eric Grasping At Straws ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #13
What they are "turned off" by Eric are bigotry and willful ignorance. BlueNProud Jul 2021 #15
Also sense of entitlement. meadowlander Jul 2021 #18
yeah, I don't get it either... getagrip_already Jul 2021 #16
Mean-spirited cruelty toward the vulnerable isn't catnip to the ladies? gratuitous Jul 2021 #17
Ask MT Greene. She has been known to be flexible on those marriage vows. keithbvadu2 Jul 2021 #19
They cant be that fucking stupid can they? gay texan Jul 2021 #21
Orange Anus has been a blatant disgusting reminder of how vile some men can be, Guilt by affiliation Evolve Dammit Jul 2021 #24
Living in red rural hell, I might be single well into my golden years berniesandersmittens Jul 2021 #25
Whining pouting pathetic little wee-wee boys. NBachers Jul 2021 #26
Maybe those guys should just 3825-87867 Jul 2021 #27
conservative women attractive? - liberal women ugly? keithbvadu2 Jul 2021 #30
This is funny. smirkymonkey Jul 2021 #37
It's not possible to be an 'InCel' unless you are incarcerated or Dead. Marcuse Jul 2021 #31
Authoritarian Neanderthal Loser's Confession: seeking the little woman bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #32
Ever heard of church?? MenloParque Jul 2021 #33
Legislate what? treestar Jul 2021 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author MineralMan Jul 2021 #36
well, for starters, there's the suitor's allergy to introspection...🤔 bringthePaine Jul 2021 #38
I like and approve of this line. Aussie105 Jul 2021 #41
"she's just not into you." ZonkerHarris Jul 2021 #43
women can be discriminating in whom they date without engaging in discrimination ZonkerHarris Jul 2021 #42
I suspect they would support turning this country into a clone of the Handmaid's Tale to turn women cstanleytech Jul 2021 #44
It's on the agenda iemanja Jul 2021 #49
I am a man... nycbos Jul 2021 #45
Just maybe WVreaper Jul 2021 #46
Question: I wonder if incels are attracted to Trump iemanja Jul 2021 #50
There are plenty of conservative women. Demobrat Jul 2021 #51
Perhaps, incels simply aren't able to accept the awful truth. Marcus Pullarius Jul 2021 #52
I would I_UndergroundPanther Jul 2021 #54
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
3. "Progressive authoritarianism?"
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 06:41 PM
Jul 2021


What a joke! There is literally no such thing. It only exists in their tiny little pea brains.

Sorry guys, but if women find you repugnant, that's on you. We aren't DOING anything to you, other than reacting to your repulsive viewpoints and behaviors. Go find an incel chat room to whine in.

LuckyLib

(6,814 posts)
35. "tiny little pea brains" is the key here. It doesn't take much
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 08:18 PM
Jul 2021

to figure out if a guy has one. Thinking women will look elsewhere.

Jedi Guy

(3,171 posts)
53. I dunno, I can think of a few examples of progressive authoritarianism.
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 10:51 PM
Jul 2021

For instance, the desire of some on the left to criminalize so-called "hate speech" is one example. To one degree or another, some of the ideas proposed for wealth redistribution could be called authoritarian. The idea of "safe spaces" is authoritarian on its face, as well. Some of the more extreme gun control proposals could be called authoritarian, depending on where one falls in that particular debate. Then there are the trivial things, like mandating that stores can't sell soda cups larger than 32 ounces (or whatever it was), examples of the so-called "nanny state."

The difference is that those views are generally held by some subset of progressives rather than being a major part of a platform. To some extent any government is authoritarian in that they tell citizens "you can do X, you can't do Y." Conservative governments tend to be much more restrictive, and therefore more authoritarian, than progressive governments, though.

Wounded Bear

(58,440 posts)
29. What list? It's really only 1 item long...
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 07:58 PM
Jul 2021

By and large, they're assholes.

Why would a respectable woman/girl date them?

bahboo

(16,234 posts)
6. nice try asshole....
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 06:45 PM
Jul 2021

this is just pathetic. It's because you're assholes. Women generally don't like assholes, so try not being one....

kimbutgar

(20,882 posts)
7. A friend of mine met a guy on a dating site
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 06:47 PM
Jul 2021

When she met him at the restaurant they talked politics and she found out he was a raging right winger. She got up from the table and left before they ordered. He kept texting her to try to meet up again and she blocked him. She said she wanted a boyfriend but not that bad!

iemanja

(53,003 posts)
8. Being a Trump supporter
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 06:52 PM
Jul 2021

just crosses the line. You know the person lacks basic decency if he voted for Trump.

machoneman

(3,952 posts)
39. Yes, it is funny! A John (yeah, he really is named John) we know is having major dating issues.....
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 08:28 PM
Jul 2021

...as the mere mention of Democrats, Chicago's mayor, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Hunter, Hillary et al....send him into a towering rage (not loud but lengthy) against all that don't genuflect to Trumpy. I really don't think he gets why the women he tries to date, after a 1st meet-up, drop him like a stone. Oddly enough, even some right leaning women we all know have mentioned to him that unless he's being really clear up front he's a Trump sycophant (he won't) he'll continue to have massive turn downs.

Clueless, indeed, when you think all the world adores Trumpy but hate all Democrats.

Btw, I do know on Match.com and other major dating sites many women, and for some time now, clearly state they will not even respond to Trumpers! Too icky for sure.......bwahahahah!

TexasBushwhacker

(20,044 posts)
11. Maybe they need to date women that aren't in college
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 07:05 PM
Jul 2021

Last edited Sun Jul 11, 2021, 08:36 PM - Edit history (1)

Seriously, 65% of college educated women are Democratic or lean Democratic vs. college educated men at 48%.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/18/men-and-women-in-the-u-s-continue-to-differ-in-voter-turnout-rate-party-identification/

Maybe they could meet a nice girl at church!

TexasBushwhacker

(20,044 posts)
47. It isn't, but that's where the biggest disparity is
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 08:57 PM
Jul 2021

Among the college educated, 65% of women favor Democrats vs. 48% of men. In those with less than a college education, 51% of women identify as Democrats vs only 40% of men. Republicans have made the biggest gains in the last 10 years among white men without a college education.

One more thing we have going for us is that across the board, in all races and all levels of educational attainment, women actually show up to the polls more often than men by about 3 to 4%. 40 years ago they were dead even.

ProfessorGAC

(64,425 posts)
13. Li'l Eric Grasping At Straws
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 07:06 PM
Jul 2021

Hey, Kaufman; the train left the station, has jumped the tracks, while on a mountainside.
This ridiculous rhetoric of yours is going to change nothing.
Idiotic loser!

meadowlander

(4,358 posts)
18. Also sense of entitlement.
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 07:29 PM
Jul 2021

Nothing gets the ladies going like a man who makes all of his problems about her instead.

getagrip_already

(14,250 posts)
16. yeah, I don't get it either...
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 07:20 PM
Jul 2021

Why would a prospective partner care if you tell them they are just dumb cows, that their opinions are stupid and need to reflect yours, and they shouldn't be in the workforce? Why would anyone care if you belittle, discriminate against, or get violent with people based on their skin color or heritage? Why would anyone care that you spew lies and hatred? Why?

I don't get it either. It must be those damn dems. They got you. They own you.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
17. Mean-spirited cruelty toward the vulnerable isn't catnip to the ladies?
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 07:23 PM
Jul 2021

I'm thoroughly shocked. Wait. Nope, "shocked" isn't the word I was looking for.

keithbvadu2

(36,369 posts)
19. Ask MT Greene. She has been known to be flexible on those marriage vows.
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 07:33 PM
Jul 2021

Ask MT Greene. She has been known to be flexible on those marriage vows.

berniesandersmittens

(11,323 posts)
25. Living in red rural hell, I might be single well into my golden years
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 07:43 PM
Jul 2021

I find absolutely nothing attractive about a trump supporter or evangelical "christians"

keithbvadu2

(36,369 posts)
30. conservative women attractive? - liberal women ugly?
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 08:04 PM
Jul 2021

conservative women attractive? -
liberal women ugly?

Marcuse

(7,399 posts)
31. It's not possible to be an 'InCel' unless you are incarcerated or Dead.
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 08:05 PM
Jul 2021
InCels are not a real thing, they are arguably VolCels because they voluntarily have opted out the actions and behaviors and social skills practice, and professional assistance that would remedy their condition. They are Voluntarily opting out. They carry a shallow, skewed view of the other gender, and an apathetic unwillingness to filter through the thousands of people needed to find those few or one who really can value and experience their worth. It’s just so much easier to blame the world, turn on the old x-box and shoot some digital avatars in the head.

InCels feel quite entitled to sex. Pathetic, you are entitled to breathe, eat, have a place to sleep maybe. You are entitled to take your carcass out the front door and make the most of it, regardless of how low your SMV, if you did that, and were an authentic representation of yourself, your condition would ultimately get cured.

Which brings me to a critical point. I do not support or condone the professional sex worker but InCels as in Involuntarily Celibate, never mention hiring a professional sex worker. If you need your sex for free, may I give you a reality check. Sex is never free. Free Love does not exist. Or if it does, it is so effin rare as to be a unicorn. In which case InCels need to clue up and get real. Nobody is entitled to a unicorn.
[link:https://medium.com/@largerthanyourhead/incels-only-exist-in-jail-or-the-morgue-a240b6785160|

bucolic_frolic

(42,676 posts)
32. Authoritarian Neanderthal Loser's Confession: seeking the little woman
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 08:06 PM
Jul 2021

Unbelievable. You just can't make this stuff up.

MenloParque

(505 posts)
33. Ever heard of church??
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 08:12 PM
Jul 2021

I know lots of female brainwashed sheep. One thing they have in common is they believe in some fairy tale of a white hippy in a robe. It would be nice if some of these female sheep throw them a mercy fuck so they be less likely to storm the capitol and plot a coup. I know we can’t force anyone to fuck these losers so yeah.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
34. Legislate what?
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 08:13 PM
Jul 2021

According to the underlying article, the writer wants political conservatives to be recognized as a minority that should get civil rights protections!


If public institutions such as universities, or de facto common carriers such as Google and Facebook, are acting illiberally by politically discriminating in how they apply community rules, government must step in to protect the liberty of the individuals within them. When such institutions are openly politicized and captured, democratically elected governments should be able to regulate their operations to ensure that they are not violating individuals’ rights to equal treatment or freedom of expression within the law that common carriers must obey. It’s worth adding that political discrimination, by forcing people to self-censor, restricts their freedom of expression. Unsuprisingly, I find a strong association between people’s willingness to politically discriminate against conservatives and their support for firing campaigns.

Can anything be done about the political intolerance and discrimination that is bleeding from campus into knowledge work more broadly? Yes, but only with a crusade for political civil rights based on three core policies.

First, free-speech rights need to be protected to the fullest extent of the law. Employers should not be permitted to fire employees for legally protected speech unless the firing is justified by the core aims of the organization and authorized in an employee’s contract. Clearly, speech restrictions are justifiable for CIA agents or the civil service, but not for Twitter employees. As per European law, and as adjudicated in the Redfearn v. U.K. (2012) case, lawmakers should take care to draft this legislation so, before employees can be dismissed, the employer must prove that their beliefs significantly compromise their ability to perform their jobs.

Second, employees should be given the same level of protection against political discrimination as they have against other forms of discrimination. Bias should be justifiable only for explicitly political organizations. Legislators and courts would need to define terms tightly, with enough leeway for the Democratic Party to discriminate against Republicans in hiring, but not enough to let elite institutions discriminate against those critical of affirmative action or diversity by requiring political loyalty tests such as diversity statements.


I thought that the conservative solution would be to make their own google, facebook - the capitalist way. Now they want to redefine them as common carriers.

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2021/07/12/political-discrimination-as-civil-rights-struggle/

Response to iemanja (Original post)

Aussie105

(5,214 posts)
41. I like and approve of this line.
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 08:31 PM
Jul 2021

"Most of us learn early in life that you can’t bully someone into liking you, that not all desire is reciprocal, and that we can all learn from self-examination."

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
44. I suspect they would support turning this country into a clone of the Handmaid's Tale to turn women
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 08:35 PM
Jul 2021

into little more than property as well.

nycbos

(6,033 posts)
45. I am a man...
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 08:45 PM
Jul 2021

... I was saw a dating profile that said "I love Jesus and Donald Trump" goes without saying I swiped left. My biggest conflicts come if she is on one hand cute and a Democrat but on the other hand wearing a Patriots jersey.

Demobrat

(8,917 posts)
51. There are plenty of conservative women.
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 09:56 PM
Jul 2021

Maybe you would like to explain why they won’t date you either?

Marcus Pullarius

(32 posts)
52. Perhaps, incels simply aren't able to accept the awful truth.
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 10:26 PM
Jul 2021

Hell, even a Tasmanian Devil can get laid. Incels are simply unf*ckable. Natural selection is shouting at them and they won't listen. - just a thought-

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,452 posts)
54. I would
Sun Jul 11, 2021, 11:35 PM
Jul 2021

Rather die than date a conservative incel.

Because I will not tolerate being abused.

Been there done that.
Got several psych diagnosis to prove it.

If I somehow dated a conservative incel I would be dead or he would be.

I don't date anymore.

Sick of bad people.
Don't want to deal with bad people can't stand them.I have a sense that goes off when I meet people,like an asshole detector. When it goes off I leave the situation I trust my intuition above all regarding bad people.

So I find peace in avoiding certain people,and in dating nobody.

On a side note..
Too many people have either fetishes ,a fascination or hatred of transpeople.
It grosses me out and pisses me off when people ask me repeatedly anything about my previous gender. Or don't want to use my pronouns/ identity as a trans feline.
A mistake is one thing,do it again after I tell you,that's assholery.

I totally am not ok with that.

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