Most fully vaccinated people who get Covid delta infections are asymptomatic, WHO says

[herding cats]

People who are fully vaccinated against Covid-19 are still getting infected with the delta variant, but global health officials said the shots have protected most people from getting severely sick or dying.

“There are reports coming in that vaccinated populations have cases of infection, particularly with the delta variant,” Dr. Soumya Swaminathan, the World Health Organization’s chief scientist, said at a press briefing Monday. “The majority of these are mild or asymptomatic infections.”

However, hospitalizations are rising in some parts of the world, mostly where vaccination rates are low and the highly contagious delta variant is spreading, she said.



Swaminathan warned that vaccinated people can still get Covid and pass it on to others, which is why WHO officials have been urging people to continue wearing masks and practice social distancing. “But certainly it reduces your chances of severe hospitalization and death significantly,” she added.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/12/most-fully-vaccinated-people-who-get-covid-delta-infections-are-asymptomatic-who-says-.html

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Bonus:

The Pfizer/BioNTech and AstraZeneca/Oxford COVID-19 vaccines are as effective at preventing symptomatic illness in people with underlying medical conditions as in the rest of the population, finds a real-world study of more than 1 million at-risk UK residents.

In the observational study, published late last week on the khub preprint server, a team led by Public Health England (PHE) researchers mined the electronic medical records of more than 700 general-practice clinics across the country, representing 10% of the population. They also conducted sentinel antibody testing from December 2020 to May 2021.

While the authors noted that advanced age poses the greatest risk of COVID-19–related hospitalization or death, some underlying conditions have been tied to increased risk. Examples include diabetes, neurologic disease, illnesses or treatments that weaken the immune system (eg, blood cancers, HIV, chemotherapy), and chronic heart, kidney, and liver disease.

Reduced antibody responses have also been noted after two vaccine doses in patients with blood cancers and transplant recipients.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/07/covid-19-vaccines-shown-protect-risk-patients


Some good news for all of who have our vaccines.

[Hugin]

1. "... vaccinated people can still get Covid and pass it on to others... "

Wait. That's not what they've been saying.

[herding cats]

2. I agree, which is why I added it.

It's a new bit of information to me as well.

[Hugin]

3. Thank you for adding it.

I keep saying the state of the art vaccinations are fantastic. But, they aren't an excuse to peel off your bloomers and jump into the nearest petri dish.

For crying out loud, those COVIDIOTs need to get vaccinated and then soon we could be done with this and really be back near normal.

[herding cats]

10. You're more than welcome.

I'm immunocompromised, I'm very attentive.

[LisaL]

5. I don't think WHO ever said that vaccinated people can't get infected or pass it onto others.

NT

[Hugin]

6. You are correct.

The WHO dropped that particular claim some time ago along with Dr Fauci.

[Mariana]

15. The WHO has never claimed the vaccines are 100% effective against infection. nt.

[Hugin]

18. Nobody has.

All along the efficacy has been reported at between 97 - 95% for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.

However, the one question I've had all along which has never been answered is, if the trial participants were also following the rest of the COVID protocols while undergoing the trial.

It looks now as if they were.

[Mariana]

31. Then how could they have "dropped" a claim they never made in the first place?

You said:

The WHO dropped that particular claim some time ago along with Dr Fauci.

[Hugin]

32. I never said it was 100% effective.

Look above.

[herding cats]

11. It was insinuated but never formally retracted, if I'm not mistaken?

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Was it formally retracted previously? I might have missed it easily.

[Mariana]

16. You are correct.

No vaccination is 100% effective against infection, and the WHO has never claimed otherwise.

[Ms. Toad]

21. It is, if you read the original research -

rather than the packed for public consumption-media publishes what's not too hard for people to hear versions.

Some of us have been clear about this since the CDC changed its guidance on masks: There are both disease risks and transmission risks which will impact not only those who have chosen not to be vaccinated - but those who are unvaccinated because they are not yet legally allowed to be vaccinated.

It's not all about little vaccinated me (the focus of the CDC change in guidance).

But then, again, I've been repeatedly accused of wanting the pandemic to continue.

[Hugin]

26. Of course, I knew it, too.

However, sometimes you've got to act like you just fell off the turnip truck to get some answers.

I only want to know one thing. Were the trial participants following the rest of the COVID protocols during the trial and if so how were those measures accounted for to keep them from confounding the efficacy ratings of the vaccines?

We both know now, they weren't.

The bottom line here is the dice were rolled banking on lifting the guidance to entice the reluctant (SEE: stupid) to get vaccinated and they came up snake eyes.

To be clear, I don't put any of this on President Biden or even most in his Administration. They do need to see there are forces that want disaster to occur, though. It is still all politics at this point.

[Ms. Toad]

28. Here's the study they are referring to.

https://khub.net/documents/135939561/430986542/RCGP+VE+riskgroups+paper.pdf/a6b54cd9-419d-9b63-e2bf-5dc796f5a91f

[Hugin]

29. Thanks.

This will come in handy.

[totodeinhere]

23. No, there has been plenty of information to indicate that vaccinated people can get breakthrough

infections and pass it on. Where have you been?

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/12/most-fully-vaccinated-people-who-get-covid-delta-infections-are-asymptomatic-who-says-.html

[Hugin]

27. There were claims that vaccinated people couldn't infect others if a breakthrough occurred.

I've been here the whole time. I'm trying to get those who spread misinformation to fess up.

[totodeinhere]

30. Link? Thanks n/t

[Hugin]

33. You seem to have mistaken me for google...

But, here, let me help you out.

"Findings like this imply that if vaccinated people are so well protected from getting infected at all, they are also unlikely to spread the virus. But without contact tracing to track transmission in a larger population, it’s impossible to know if the assumption is true."

From: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/can-people-vaccinated-against-covid-19-still-spread-the-coronavirus

There are many more.

[totodeinhere]

34. No you are not Google but if you make a claim you need to be able to back it up.

The link you provided says it's impossible to know. Yet you said said you heard that it can happen. So your link does not prove it can happen. It says they don't know if it can happen. I'm just trying to avoid misinformation on this topic.

[Hugin]

35. So, it doesn't meet your high standards?

Maybe you should actually venture to the link I provided and look at the article there, where once was a link (now removed) to a CDC article on that very topic.

BTW... Please show me where in the DU TOS I have to prove anything to anybody's satisfaction, but, my own. LINK?

[totodeinhere]

36. I am not here to enforce the DU TOS.

Only moderators can do that, and I am not a moderator. But I have every right to call you out when you spread false information that you cannot back up.

[PSPS]

4. While the "protected most people from getting severely sick or dying" part is good, this is bad.

I guess protecting "most people from getting severely sick or dying" can be something to be happy about, but this means you still get infected, can pass it on to others, and will be subject to becoming a "long termer," with brain fog and all the rest. In other words, the masking & social distancing will continue, at least for me and mine.

[totodeinhere]

24. I don't think we know yet whether vaccinated people who get the Delta Variant

can be subject to long term covid. It needs to be studied for sure but I would not jump to any conclusions yet.

[bmbmd]

7. I've had one fully vaccinated patient

test positive. Late seventies, rheumatoid Arthritis, on sulfasalazine. Mild symptoms-diarrhea, sore throat, runny nose, temp to 99.4. Her dear husband is home with her, asymptomatic. She thinks she was exposed at a family reunion with eighteen relatives, also fully vaccinated. No one else has reported any symptoms. Thank the good God she was vaccinated. They are banished to their home for two weeks.

[bmbmd]

8. By way of contrast,

I have a mid-seventies with breast cancer who is an antivaxer. She is currently in the ICU on bipap with covid. Caught it from her grandson. He lives in her house, has recovered, and is back to work.

[herding cats]

9. I'm similar but younger, and I've not caught Covid.

I'm 50 with rheumatoid arthritis and I also have lupus. I'm happy to know the vaccines are doing a good job protecting us. It lifts some stress off my chest.

Needless to say I still mask. I'm of an elevated risk and being extra cautious due to the pandemic.

[wnylib]

12. I have an autoimmune disorder, asthma,

hypertension (by product of the autoimmune disorder), and am in my 70s. Viruses are one of my asthma triggers. I am vaccinated (Moderna) but I never go out of my apartment without double masking. My N95 mask order just arrived.

[herding cats]

13. Same here in regards to masking.

That's the way it has to be for people like us. With so many people refusing to be vaccinated it may never change.

[wnylib]

17. There are some activities that

I have resumed since cases are low in my area following the vaccinations. But I wear a mask, distance myself, and use hand sanitizer as soon as I leave, then wash them thoroughly when I get home.

Each day I check the county health board daily updates on new cases. They have increased a little in the past few days. I have stocked up on most things in case the new infections reach a point where I feel it's best to stay home for a while.

[herding cats]

20. Same here.

I monitor local infection rates and take all the same precautions as before. Like you, there are some activities I've resumed.

I've asked my doctor, and they're not sure, if Delta spreads any easier outdoors then previous strains. So, I'm even masking outdoors at the moment. Which is unpleasant in the heat.

[wiggs]

14. Seems to me we are unlikely to know how prevalent Delta is among the vaccinated

with no symptoms. With no symptoms there's no testing or sequencing...so many more vaccinated could have been infected than the numbers show. We could have it, pass it along, and not know.

Question I have is...long covid is real even with mild symptoms. Too early to know if Delta long covid still occurs in the fully vaccinated?

[Ms. Toad]

22. Yup,

Since the CDC has stopped tracking asymptomatic break-through cases.

Yes. Long COVID is still a risk with people who are fully vaccinated.

[Treefrog]

19. If you're asymptomatic, how would you know you have it at all?

[totodeinhere]

25. You would not but some vaccianted people who have been exposed to a known

carrier get tested and find out that way.