Breaking: Senate Dems agree to $3.57 trillion reconciliation package

[malaise]

including expansion of medicare - dental, vision and more
Biden will lunch with Senators tomorrow

Breaking on Lawrence O'Donnell

[BigmanPigman]

1. What role will Manchin play?

[msongs]

2. maybe he will win an oscar for voting for the bill nt

[Budi]

3. I'm more interested in the other Senators who will piss away this opportunity by saying..

" it's not enough!!"

You know, the ones who keep moving the goal posts just to oppose Biden & his wiser Democrats.

Because they'd rather burn the whole thing down than agree with President Biden.

We know Manchin's game.

Its the others that are likely to whine about something in this pkage.

🙄

[FoxNewsSucks]

4. That's quite an assumption.

Of both the mis-characterized "wisdom" and who will be doing the whining. One should wait and see before making such pronouncements. And worry A LOT MORE about who is pissing away the chance to stop republiqon election cheating. Some don't mind the prospect of permanent "R" rule. I wish they'd realize the graveness of that mistake.

[Budi]

6. You're assumptions as to who my post refers to, is noted.

There will be those who applaud this bill & the usual ones with their usual but..but...Biden, aftercomments.

I have no idea who will whine 1st or loudest.

[FoxNewsSucks]

8. I've read your other posts.

so it's not much of an assumption.

I think that since there was a deal made, it will be supported. That amount is not insignificant, and I thank those who asked for MORE and insisted on MORE for the fact that it did NOT end up being a ~500B amount to coddle the R's.

Because that's how a lot of Democratic negotiations ended up in the past. Remember?

[Budi]

27. Rofl...

Omg..that is so neener

My other posts are not wrong, btw

[Cobalt Violet]

16. 1000+ nt

[mcar]

7. Manchin votes with Biden 100% of the time

Can't say the same about others.

[FoxNewsSucks]

9. You mean the same Manchin

who derailed Biden nominees? After voting for so many tRump nominees like Beer Bong Brett? That Manchin???

[mcar]

12. ...

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/joe-manchin/

[FoxNewsSucks]

13. Not disputing that,

but there are other things in the Senate than legislative votes. Are you excusing his support of tRump nominees and blocking Biden's?

And that doesn't take into account the legislative votes that are never held because republicons say "no".

Then there's this at the top of that link:

June 22 Expanding voting rights and strengthening campaign finance regulations and ethics rules (50-50)
support

Yes
0.1% +99.9

The c/p isn't the best, but according to that, Biden's position on that issue is YES, Manchin's expected support is 1/10 percent with 99.9 margin.

I can cut Manchin some slack on some issues, but not the republicon voter suppression. If people aren't allowed to vote, know that their vote is counted, and that the results can't be overturned by "local republicans", there is no real hope for the future. And that's what Manchin & Sinema are standing in the way of.

S1 must be passed so Biden can sign it into law. Now.

[BGBD]

19. Which nominee was that?

You mean the one Bernie and 10 other people weren't going to vote for?

[Budi]

26. K & R Yes, the one Bernie and 10 other people weren't going to vote for

When we're publicly disparging the horrors of Manchin, then no one's mentioning the horror of the 'others'
👍

[mcar]

31. Hmmm

[ChrisF1961]

18. Ignoring the fact that

Schumer doesn’t bring bills to the floor unless he has the votes.

[questionseverything]

36. Right now manchin says he can't support the bill the senate democrats put forward

Because, he doesn’t want to end fossil fuel useage

Of course he will get his way before the vote so you will still be able to brag about his perfect record

[JoeOtterbein]

15. Bernie voted for it, so we don't have to worry about the progressives. n/t

[Budi]

21. As of a few days ago Bernie claimed he wouldn't settle for anything less than 6 trillion.

Then he met with Biden.
And settled on 3 trillion.

Wonder what Biden will gift Manchin with in the high stakes negotiations.
Manchin & Bernie play the same game.
Not good nor bad, just how it is when the deals are cut.

[Cobalt Violet]

17. I mean, it's not like the earth is burning or anything.

Surely we can kick that can down the road to the next generation while we feed like hogs on our fossil fuel investments. They just want to make Biden look bad.

[Budi]

25. They do. Btw.

[lagomorph777]

22. The announcement says a deal has been reached; that implies Manchin and Sanders are on board.

[Budi]

23. Joe Biden is a master at Senatorial high stakes deal making.

Both Bernie & Manchin walked away with something for their support & Biden gets his bill.

America wins.
Thanks President Biden.

We'll see how they actual vote goes, now.

[lagomorph777]

28. Yup. Now he seems to be turning his attention to voting rights.

I hope he can get the democracy skeptics caucus (Manchin, Sinema, Feinstein, ...) onboard in a similar deal.

[Budi]

29. Manchin, Sinema, Feinstein, ... AND??? Who's in the dot dot dot column?

Just asking, since we're calling them out

[lagomorph777]

30. I don't know, but folks here are always hinting they exist.

I hope it's actually not true.

[FoxNewsSucks]

5. I'm glad they made a deal

Now if they can get agreement tomorrow to pass S1 so Biden can sign it. Republiqon election dirty tricks need to be stopped and reversed right now.

[gab13by13]

10. The deal hasn't even been voted on yet.

[FoxNewsSucks]

11. Doesn't the announcement of the agreement mean

that either 50 senators or 49+Harris are on board to use reconciliation? If not, what has been agreed to?

[BGBD]

20. 49 + Harris?

You know Harris doesn't get a vote without a tie first, right?

[Budi]

24. Thank you . "Harris doesn't get a vote without a tie first".

An important reminder, there.

[FoxNewsSucks]

33. oops! Yes, I forgot and screwed up the math

[Wounded Bear]

35. No, the deal so far is just in committee...

now it goes to the floor for debate and amendments.

Quite a ways to go, and it's dicey with a few Dems.

[spanone]

14. K&R

[Johnny2X2X]

32. Any chance this passes?

Sure seems like Manchin is on board as long as it's paid for.

And this would take time to come together and be scored before it could be voted on, seems a way off right now.

[Amishman]

34. How confident are we that we have the votes in the House as well?

Our margin of error is small in that chamber as well, and 3.5 trillion will require some significant tax increases