update on "get her away from me!!!!!" Karen

[Demovictory9]

full video here:

false police report happens about 7:00 on the video "she's threatening me"

gofundme has raised 75K for the woman who was chased.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-me-defend-myself-against-karen

https://heavy.com/news/abigail-elphick-victoria-secret-karen/

Abigail Elphick, ‘Victoria’s Secret Karen’: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

[Siwsan]

1. I hope that young woman can get the help she so obviously (IMHO) needs

I wouldn't appreciate being video'd by some stranger, either, for any reason, but would opt to either turn my back to the camera, or walk away.

It would be interesting to find out what triggered the woman with the phone to start filming her, in the first place.

[MaryMagdaline]

7. The woman with the video was being threatened

She turned on her phone to protect herself and to document the fact that she was not doing anything to anyone. As she said on camera “Now she’s calling the police. Who are they going to believe? Me or her white a**?” Sadly, cell phone is necessary protection for black people. I heard with my own ears the young woman say to the police “she is threatening me” when the woman with the phone did no such thing and kept backing up whenever the young woman tried to come close.

[Demovictory9]

10. the perp felt absolutely no fear of arrest or negative consequence from chasing a black woman

around the store trying to hit her

[RANDYWILDMAN]

43. This definition of white privilege

Nothing to see white women of privilege abusing a women of color.


Vicky's secret and the mall police need to make it right. Wow 2021 and it't one women's word against a video that show she if a big freakin liar !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Siwsan]

11. I realize that. I just wonder what the triggering event was.

What triggered the need to film, just before the blond woman tried to slap the phone out of her hand. Her reaction to being filmed is beyond troubling. I mean, chasing the woman around the store, screaming at her to keep away from her!!!?? That's why I am thinking there is something seriously 'off' about the blond.

Maybe I wasn't clear but I've posted in several of these threads. I TOTALLY get why the woman filmed, as a form of self protection, once that first attempt at contact was made and the melt down began. And I see why she, at first, found the woman's reaction to be kind of funny but it's obvious something serious was developing so the filming had to be done.

It's just a pity that someone from store security didn't intervene sooner.

[MaryMagdaline]

16. I apologize. I did not get where you are coming from.

I appreciate the follow up reply.

[Siwsan]

18. No problem

[samnsara]

15. good luck trying to get a job around children after this

[csziggy]

26. At the very beginning of the first video Elphick can be seen rushing at her with her arm raised

In one of the following videos, the videographer stated that Elphick ("Karen&quot tried to hit her. Turning the camera on her obviously caused Elphick to stop her original attack.

Nothing has been said about why Elphick started her original attack - that's the one part I want to know that has not been covered in any of the reports. It could be as simple as a disagreement who was in line first since they were at the checkout counter - but that is pure speculation on my part.

[Siwsan]

28. I would think there are security cameras focused on that part of the store

since it is where the payments are taken. If this grows 'legal legs', we might find out.

[csziggy]

35. Yes, that is what I'd like to see added to the video record

Some of the stories - sorry, I didn't take the time to post them - state that the two women were going through the "free panties" when the white woman bumped into the black woman, took offense and tried to strike her. The video begins at the point when the white woman is coming at the black woman with her arm raised.

But since that is not on the available video, I'm not sure how true that claim is about who bumped whom. Now that the black woman has the money to hire a lawyer - if lawyers are not already lining up to take her case pro bono - they can obtain any security fottage and see what happened.

[Klaralven]

46. Ukenta asked Elphick to move 6 feet away

Uniformed patrol officers responded about 12:45 p.m. Saturday to Victoria’s Secret on a report of a dispute that began when one of the shoppers — later identified as Ijeoma Ukenta, 38, of Newark — asked the other to move six feet away, according to a police incident report released to NJ Advance Media on Tuesday.

https://www.nj.com/essex/2021/07/police-investigating-how-cops-handled-dispute-between-black-and-white-shoppers-at-nj-mall.html

[secondwind]

2. Why didn't she just leave the store......

these folks literally bask in all this nonsense!!

[Ferrets are Cool]

3. Anything for clicks

[samnsara]

13. anything for personal safety i would say

[Treefrog]

25. Pretty good money too.

She’s raked in 38k from her video.

[Ferrets are Cool]

38. It is a shame that this is what we have devolved into.

[Treefrog]

40. I agree. This situation could have been handled so differently.

Smh.

[Caliman73]

44. Devolved into?

People have been filming other people's mishaps and missteps since they were able to do so. The advent of the personal video camera lead to America's Funniest Home Videos and other derivatives. Putting cameras on smart phones just enabled almost everyone to walk around with a way to film anything. They have helped catch criminals, discover what politicians really say when they do not think anyone but their donors or supporters are listening, and yes, they have been used for the protection of minorities who are not typically given any credence when complaining about the actions of other groups against them.

I do not agree with the idea of raising money off of the video either, but what I heard was that the police still appeared to be on the side of the aggressive White woman and the woman is looking to sue the department for misconduct. If that is not true and this is just a scheme to make money, then by all means the woman should also be condemned.

[kcr]

59. You don't have to set up a go fund me and rake in over 80 grand

in order to sue a police department for misconduct.

[Caliman73]

61. Very true.

Like I said in my response. If she did this to raise money for herself then it is reprehensible. You do not need $80,000 to sue anyone, but you do need money to hire a good attorney that is willing to sue a police department. Not $80,000 but then reports are saying that her target was $20,0000 to hire an attorney.

What is interesting is that a lot of people are jumping to the conclusion that this Black woman has some nefarious motives for filming a White woman who was clearly the aggressive party and in the wrong.

[kcr]

62. You don't need money

If you have a case, an attorney will take it, and take from the proceeds when you win. She's claiming she needs money for her attorney to make the fact she's monetizing her video on social media look legit.

[Caliman73]

72. Not always.

Yes there are attorneys who work on contingency, but that depends on where you are. Many require a retainer.

Like I said, it may well be that she is doing this for nefarious reasons, but people just seem to really want to believe it without waiting for more information.

[kcr]

73. Of course not always

But the notion that you always have to have money in order to sue is incorrect. That was the proposed motivation for the video taker going to her followers and asking for tens of thousands of dollars. And getting it.

[tishaLA]

69. People who watched the videos suggested it

because she learned how much a lawyer would be to pursue her complaint against the cops.

[kcr]

71. That would suggest she doesn't have much of a case

I still think it's more likely she's grifting her followers.

[Demovictory9]

85. ..

Someone doesnt like their presence so Black people have to skeedaddle?

[MaryMagdaline]

8. Who? VIdeo woman? She had not yet paid for her things and was waiting until it was safe to go to

the register. Why did the young woman not leave? Not sure. She never said. Perhaps she had not completed her tasks either.

[Hortensis]

19. I saw desperation, fear, helplessness, weak aggression in a very stupid person

who didn't know how to get herself out of the mess she started.

Thankfully, none of our RW neighbors are acting out in our stores and then wailing and crawling on the floor after they belatedly realize what happens next and whining hasn't worked.

[David__77]

23. I can understand not doing that.

…

[csziggy]

27. most of the time Elphick was between the videographer and the exit.

The videographer would have had to get closer to her to get out of the store. Besides, why should the videographer abandon her errands because of a pseudo-crazy woman who should have been removed from the store if not the mall?

[Treefrog]

29. She could easily have left when the crazy woman was lying on the floor.

This whole video is disturbing on many levels.

Someone started that crap around me, I’d have left immediately. No “free panties” could have enticed me to stay,

[csziggy]

34. You must not be of a class that has been demonized and criminalized for being who you are

Not the mention the number of people of color who have been killed just for existing.

If the black woman had not started videoing, the original attack could have gotten worse. The white woman is seen at the very beginning of the video coming at her with her arm raised and only stopped when the video begins. Without the ability of the video, the black woman most likely would have been physically assaulted. After that, keeping the video going was her best protection.

The crap began as the white woman realized she was now on video behaving badly - until she had no compunction about being aggressive towards someone with dark skin.

I'm as white as the woman on the video and I have been in situations where I had a choice to back down or to stand my ground. Given my stubbornness I tend to stand my ground so I understand why the black woman did not just leave. She had done nothing wrong, why should she lose her "free panties"?

[fishwax]

36. why would she leave, though? (And why should she?)

I mean, for one thing, the white woman was threatening to call security on her, so continuing to film provided some level of protection. If security came to the store, she would have the footage as well as the store employees to explain what happened and provide some level of protection.

But if she left the store, and security intercepted her on her way out (after being called by the woman throwing the tantrum) things could wind up quite differently.

Besides, the woman came up and attacked her, and then refused to leave while screaming repeatedly. If a stranger comes up and tries to hit you, it's not your responsibility to make them comfortable.

The woman throwing the tantrum, on the other hand, could simply have left, and would have lost nothing in doing so.

[Mariana]

37. Yes, she could have left the store.

Then the white woman could have called police and claimed this black woman threatened her and attacked her, and then it would be her word against those of this hysterical white woman. How do you think *that* would have turned out?

[Treefrog]

41. She already had her video. Leave the store while filming that she was doing so.

She wasn’t scared of the wacky woman; she is laughing at her throughout the video.

[kcr]

45. Staying and continuing to film while laughing at the woman lying on the floor

Is not the better choice. It only makes the white woman look even more sympathetic.

[Treefrog]

49. This.

So much so.

[RandiFan1290]

55. She was waiting for customer service

She had every right to stay and record the crazy person for her safety.

[kcr]

57. And laughing and mocking her while doing it!

Sure.

[RandiFan1290]

76. Rightly so

It was hilarious.

It's not the 'old days' anymore. Black people do not have to put up with this shit.

[Withywindle]

66. How do you think the white woman is sympathetic at all, though?

I don't feel that one bit. To the extent that her tantrum is sincere, it's a bizarre overreaction to anything that could have happened at the free panties pile, and to the extent that it's fake (which I think is most of it), it's terrible acting.

Of course people busted out laughing at the fake faint. That was my reaction too.

[kcr]

68. I don't think either woman is sympathetic

I think two women got into an every day, run of the mill spat at the store. There are probably hundreds of them like it every day. Like I said in another post, I used to see it all the time working retail. I'm not automatically taking the side of the one that took an edited video and ran to her social media followers is all.

[Withywindle]

65. +1

I find nothing sympathetic about the white woman's behavior at all. And I am a white woman (white Latina) - I can NOT imagine carrying on like that. It's transparently manipulative.

Claiming she was threatened is exactly what she's doing. She's deliberately trying to put the black woman in danger.

[NoMoreRepugs]

4. Thank goodness this Karen did not have a weapon.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

5. Oh, but she did: Her tears, and the cops.

[MaryMagdaline]

9. Yep. And she was already giving the "she is threatening me" lie

Last edited Wed Jul 14, 2021, 09:28 AM - Edit history (1)

[2naSalit]

20. She did. Her WHITE SKIN and an emotional appeal to white cops...

And a cell phone to call the cops.

[Cobalt Violet]

6. disgusting!

I hope she can a good lawyer. This has to stop.

[Siwsan]

12. I also hope they find her a good behavioral health specialist

Because it's pretty obvious there's something seriously wrong with someone who screeches, fake faints and then chases someone through a store, screaming at them to stay away from them.

No doubt there are security cameras focused on the check out counter area of the store. They might show the triggering event.

[2naSalit]

21. Affluenza is what it looks like to me.

She thought nothing of treating a black woman like she was chattel, when the black woman wouldn't comply is when the white affluenza queen decided it was time to throw a tantrum.

Fuck her, if she has such serious mental problems why was she out shopping without supervision? I don't feel the least bit sorry for her.

[Siwsan]

22. I tend to err on the side of compassion with mental health issues, but you could be right.

Admittedly, the 'faux faint' could be a bit of a tell.

[2naSalit]

24. Indeed, that's what was the point of tell for me.

And that she was instantly claiming to be the victim after her aggression was deflected and it sunk in that she was going to be on social media. The two main things she was saying were, "she's recording me" and "I'm being threatened". The rest was to gain the exact result that she got; sympathetic cops and no other consequence while her victim was left with deaf ears from those who should have done something to intervene earlier in the event.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

14. Periodic reminder that just because people act irrationally, erratically, ignorantly or in a way you

would never in a million years, does not mean they are mentally ill. It's a big world with a lot going on in it.

[Withywindle]

58. She might be mentally ill: does that matter?

Damage done to other people because of mental illness is still damage done to other people. Of course the black woman filming is laughing - what else can you do when you're trapped in a situation where someone else is acting so bizarrely, and playing the victim while they're the one who is the much bigger threat.

It sounded like nervous laughter to me. And also a reasonable reaction to someone doing scenery-chewing ham acting that would be laughed off a low-budget soap opera.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

64. Right, it's an explanation, not an excuse.

[TexasBushwhacker]

88. Not to mention, mentally ill people of color have a tendency

to get shot or otherwise abused but a law enforcement system that isn't properly in trained in de-escalation and dealing with the mentally ill.

[Goonch]

17. "YouTube- Who Is Mama Africa Muslimah? Ijeoma Ukenta Instagram"

https://newsfinale.com/trending/youtube-who-is-mama-africa-muslimah-ijeoma-ukenta-instagram/

[tavernier]

51. That's the woman with the camera?

This story confused me from the beginning and now even more because at first glance I thought her mask was the Victoria Secret panties they were fighting over because VS makes all kinds of sparkly undies, but then I thought, surely they wouldn’t be on her head. And then some wacko lying on the floor like a fainting goat. And the pink lady collecting big bucks for… nothing.

Are we certain we aren’t being punked?? It sounds to me like these two will split the cash, have a good laugh, and plan their next job.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

30. What happened before the video started?

Was it edited to not show previous video recording within the store? Or did the video really start at the point the white woman was approaching with an open hand?

The white woman's behavior was indeed bizarre and totally unjustified thereafter, and she was wrongly endangering the black woman in this country by calling the police at all.

It's just that I have a lady friend who has repeatedly expressed to me, via e-mail, her paranoia about being video recorded anywhere. She told me that she covered her head and pleaded with some man in public, who was video recording outside, to stop pointing it toward her because he didn't have her permission. In that case, the guy stopped doing it.

Even surveillance cameras bother her! And if she sees a recording of people in a public place posted on YouTube or wherever, she's angry about it and says she doubts that everyone's permission was granted to be included in the now-public video. Recordings of a line of people waiting to vote irked her too.

Yes, her attitude about that stuff is extreme in today's world. I've replied to her that it's nearly impossible to avoid unless she wants to stay indoors constantly.

The white woman in the Victoria's Secret store might be similarly odd in that way?

[Mariana]

32. People have the right to take pictures and record video in public places.

There can be no reasonable expectation of privacy there. Similarly, people have the right to take pictures and record video on private property, unless the owners have prohibited it. In this particular story, the police apparently informed the white woman of this fact.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

33. Yep, I know.

I've told the e-mail friend the same.

She then replied that if her image is ever used to make money, she'll demand compensation for her image being used to do it.

Legal issues mentioned here, including reasonable expectation of privacy and the "right of publicity" when money is made from it.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/24/18015374/whyd-you-push-that-button-record-stranger-public

I know that I could stir up trouble in a store if I kept tailing some stranger and video recorded them the entire time. If they emotionally crack, then I could later post it online after editing the video to start at that point, with me shouting "Oh no, you didn't!" or the like.

Not that I'd ever do such a thing, and I'm not asserting that's what happened in this case.

The white woman should've immediately left the store, in my humble opinion, instead of digging herself deeper with crazy and embarrassing antics.

Edit: Like what this person did to strangers, eliciting several angry reactions.
https://petapixel.com/2012/11/02/surveillance-camera-man-points-camera-at-strangers-without-permission/
An anonymous man over in Seattle, Washington is causing a stir in his area and on the web by walking up to random people in various locations — both public and private — and sticking a camera in their faces to film them. When asked to explain his actions, he simply responds in vague statements such as “It’s OK, I’m just recording video.”
The Seattle Post-Intelligencer writes that the guy is making the point that similar intrusions of privacy by CCTV cameras slip by without any negative reaction from most people...
The results are what you’d expect: extremely angry people, 911 calls, and encounters that seem to be one moment away from turning into a physical altercation.

[kcr]

39. Being right doesn't always make it right

I would be willing to bet you don't make a habit of going around recording people who don't want to be recorded. Most people don't.

I think it's suspicious that we don't see what happened in the beginning. I think it's because it was a typical fight that happens whenever there's free stuff at a store, and the woman making the video edited it to her advantage and then ran off to Go Fund Me to fleece her followers.

[Treefrog]

42. Thank you.

This whole thing is ridiculous. Both women acted badly, and the white woman certainly seems to have emotional or mental issues. That is not normal behavior.

[kcr]

50. Agreed

Maybe it's my years in retail that shape how I see this, because I'd see nonsense like this all the time. The only difference is it was before the age of cell phones and the internet, so there was no opportunity to make money off of it. But everyone wondering why no one else seemed to care what was going on? Because shit like that happens every day in retail. It's often the same people, too. You see them come in and you do your best not to make eye contact and go about your day.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

52. Either one of them could have walked away...

... immediately.

Instead, the white woman is having tantrums like a toddler and the black woman is sticking around to record it, when no security or police were involved at all, apparently for the sake of internet vengeance and financial windfalls.

By the way, there's no images of me anywhere on the internet as far as I know. I've never joined Facebook or anything else, and I'd like to keep it that way.

I posted a picture of myself on DU months ago, but I was masked and face-shielded. I also used distorting software to make me unrecognizable.

I'd prefer to keep it that way, so I would've walked away immediately in that white woman's situation. Not that I would've ever raised a hand toward someone, like she did!

But I'd definitely be annoyed by anyone recording me, especially after I've taken measures to stay anonymous online. If others WANT to be all over the internet as if anyone really gives a shit about them, then good for them and their more extroverted or narcissistic personalities.

[Demovictory9]

86. ...

Someone doesnt like their presence so Black people have to skeedaddle?

[csziggy]

31. Truth or Fiction has a very good timeline on what happens in the videos

For those who don't understand how it started or proceeded:

‘Victoria’s Secret Meltdown’ Video
Posted on July 13, 2021 by Kim LaCapria

{SNIP}

Ukenta’s footage began while Elphick stood several feet away; Elphick charged toward her in just the first two seconds. The phone tilts, and Elphick is seen backing away with a dismayed expression.

Four seconds into the video, Elphick starts covering her face with her hands. At five seconds in, Elphick starts to cry and look to bystanders for a reaction.

As Elphick shifts from charging Ukenta to sobbing in a span of five seconds, Ukenta can be heard saying “oh my God” and “do you see it?” In Ukenta’s longer “part one” video shared to YouTube, Elphick continues sobbing about being recorded.

Just before two minutes and thirty seconds in, Elphick closes her eyes and pretends to faint (seemingly using her purse as a pillow). Elphick remained prone on the store floor for nearly a minute.

More, including chronology for the other videos: https://www.truthorfiction.com/victorias-secret-meltdown-video/

[Politicub]

47. This was like a documentary. Wow.

The woman who was assaulted was wise to film the crazy lady. The system was lined up against the victim from the start... the police report was inaccurate. The officers were focused on making the crazy person feel better.

Some advice:

Record everything when it involves the police. If you see others who are stopped by police, film the encounter. Don't say anything or get involved. Don't narrate. Think of yourself as a cameraperson for the news. Upload the footage to dropbox (or something like it) immediately in case someone demands you erase it.

[Mosby]

80. How is she a victim? Of what?

No one was charged with anything.

The "victim" is now 100k richer.

[Politicub]

82. Getting slapped and chased around Victoria's Secret

Then being treated poorly by the police.

[Mosby]

83. She wasn't slapped. Nt.

[Treefrog]

87. Interesting she didn't close the fund after reaching her "goal of legal help."

I thought gofundme ensured the monies received were used for the purpose stated.

[tonedevil]

94. Do you think most people...

shut down their GoFundMe when the goal is reached?

[BGBD]

53. Something about this is making my spidey sense tingle

Highly overdramatized show....now fundraising and promoting social media channels off of it.

Something about this whole episode is bizarre.

[raccoon]

54. When she fell down, that looked like a faked faint to me. Nt

[alphafemale]

56. That was nothing like a fall or faint.

She carefully sat down, used her purse as a pillow and then slowly laid down.

[Withywindle]

60. It was the fakest fake that ever faked

If you don't want to be filmed, you turn your back and walk away. She was PLAYING to the camera. God knows why. She's a C-level actress trying for her Oscar clip.

[fishwax]

77. like how she very conveniently slid the purse into position as a pillow

For when you want to look like you're fainting, but you don't want to be *too* uncomfortable.

I might be more impressed if she was more committed to the bit.

[greenjar_01]

63. These are fast becoming cruel and stupid

And that's all I have to say about that.

[Mosby]

81. My thoughts exactly.

This is just voyeurism at its worst.

[Wingus Dingus]

78. That was a performance. Once she realized she fucked up and tried to get

physical with the recording woman, she decided to play nuts. Piece of faking trash.

[Wingus Dingus]

79. For those saying, why didn't the recording woman just leave--

why should she have to leave? The other woman became physically aggressive, and then tried to dodge culpability by faking a breakdown. Victoria's Secret should have got security in MUCH quicker, removed Tantrum Karen from the store.

[Demovictory9]

84. Eactly. I am surprised so many on DU support policing of Black people in pub spaces

Someone doesnt like their presence so Black people have to skeedaddle?

[Treefrog]

89. I think what people are saying is the black woman said she was frightened of the wacky woman.

When frightened, most people get out of the situation. She just kept filming and chortling.

Now she has got a nice chunk of change.

[Demovictory9]

90. Her chortling was sound track to standing her ground

[Treefrog]

91. Ah, ok.

I see.

[CatWoman]

95. i suppose this guy should have hauled ass as well?

[Mosby]

92. This stuff is getting out of control

Link to tweet

That girl is terrified and crying. Nothing about these confrontations is funny.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

93. She's a narcissistic 2 year old

My mom would have had my ass in permanent time out if I acted like that in public when I was a little kid. But she's a godamn adult.

To be a Karen back than in the 70's would have been a mark of public shame that would never go away.