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Nevilledog

(55,082 posts)
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 02:49 PM Jul 2021

The Deeply Racist Dimensions To Ashli Babbitt's Martyrdom



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There's a key part of the Ashli Babbitt martyrdom story. The Trumpers pushing her story are convinced the officer who shot her is a black man. https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/the-deeply-racist-dimensions-to-ashli-babbitts-martyrdom… via @TPM

The Deeply Racist Dimensions To Ashli Babbitt's Martyrdom
“Who killed Ashli Babbitt?” It’s a question that, in recent weeks, has...
talkingpointsmemo.com
11:13 AM · Jul 14, 2021


https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/the-deeply-racist-dimensions-to-ashli-babbitts-martyrdom

“Who killed Ashli Babbitt?”

It’s a question that, in recent weeks, has become a mainstream rallying cry among the MAGA crew after growing in volume for months on the far-right fringes. Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) has asked it repeatedly, as has former President Donald Trump himself.

But the thing is, they think they already know.

They have a specific individual in mind, a Capitol police officer that they believe to be the culprit in the killing. He happens to be a black man.

It’s a detail that, once known, places the calls for the officer to be exposed and punished in a new light. The ensuing witch hunt takes on a racial tinge, casting Babbitt as a defenseless white woman killed by a black man.

And it’s a context that has allowed Trump and others to blow the dog whistle on the case as loud as possible. He venerated Babbitt as “an innocent, wonderful, incredible woman,” adding, “if that were on the other side, the person that did the shooting would be strung up and hung.”

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The Deeply Racist Dimensions To Ashli Babbitt's Martyrdom (Original Post) Nevilledog Jul 2021 OP
Yes. I didn't quite understand it until I looked closely at the tape of the shooting. Walleye Jul 2021 #1
Who killed white nationalist Ashli Babbitt? BaronChocula Jul 2021 #2
I want to know.... TheRealNorth Jul 2021 #10
Who killed her? Volaris Jul 2021 #15
Trying to start a race war/civil war Haggard Celine Jul 2021 #3
I hope his identity is kept a secret. alphafemale Jul 2021 #4
There is a video of her being shot. LisaL Jul 2021 #5
I am sick of bemoaning a dead insurrectionist LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2021 #6
"Who killed Ashli Babbitt?" WA-03 Democrat Jul 2021 #7
If she had succeeded in breaking through that window alphafemale Jul 2021 #8
And one more little detail TexasBushwhacker Jul 2021 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author WA-03 Democrat Jul 2021 #13
Watch the video again. LisaL Jul 2021 #14
I had no idea. I saw the photos: I saw a white man aiming through the window. Hekate Jul 2021 #11
I had the same impression but looking at the photos now the guy with a gun LisaL Jul 2021 #16
The closest picture I've seen is through the broken glass door TexasBushwhacker Jul 2021 #17
Makes you doubt what you saw, doesn't it? The RW is trying to find someone they can pin this on... Hekate Jul 2021 #19
She's the head Karen lame54 Jul 2021 #12
Sounds more like the article confirms the police officer who shot her is black ansible Jul 2021 #18
The cop IS black. WarGamer Jul 2021 #20
Should all cops involved in a justified shooting have their identity protected? MichMan Jul 2021 #27
Should someone who stopped the mob long enough that our whole Congress escaped -- be left... Hekate Jul 2021 #29
Looks like we both agree that cops identities need to be kept sealed and not released to the public MichMan Jul 2021 #31
Who killed Ashley Babbitt? Caliman73 Jul 2021 #21
And Trump gives away that he's scapegoating a Black person: July Jul 2021 #22
Trump signaled that in his language. "If it were reversed..." yardwork Jul 2021 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2021 #24
Ashli Babbitt killed Ashli Babbitt Strelnikov_ Jul 2021 #25
Trump killed Ashli Babbitt nt joetheman Jul 2021 #26
I'm gonna say it - they are trying to turn her into the "WHITE GEORGE FLOYD". bullwinkle428 Jul 2021 #28
What's the term they use? canetoad Jul 2021 #30

Walleye

(44,807 posts)
1. Yes. I didn't quite understand it until I looked closely at the tape of the shooting.
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 02:56 PM
Jul 2021

They had to find somebody to use that noose on.

TheRealNorth

(9,647 posts)
10. I want to know....
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 04:02 PM
Jul 2021

So we can give them the Medal of Freedom. Maybe Biden can work something out to reward him without identifying him, kind of like what Obama did for Seal Team Six when they got bin Laden.

Haggard Celine

(17,822 posts)
3. Trying to start a race war/civil war
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 03:00 PM
Jul 2021

The time is coming when we're going to have to arrest some prominent people. They're doing all they can to destroy this country, and we can't let that happen.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
4. I hope his identity is kept a secret.
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 03:00 PM
Jul 2021

If right wing media learned it he would be harassed, hounded and probably killed within days.

LisaL

(47,423 posts)
5. There is a video of her being shot.
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 03:01 PM
Jul 2021

I never noticed that particular detail. Anyhow, the policeman clearly did nothing wrong.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
8. If she had succeeded in breaking through that window
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 03:49 PM
Jul 2021

All those people behind her would have followed her and that was the area where Senators were hiding.

They would have assassinated dozens of leaders on live stream one by one.

TexasBushwhacker

(21,204 posts)
9. And one more little detail
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 03:57 PM
Jul 2021

The officer that shot her hit her in the shoulder. He had every right to aim at her head and kill her instantly, but didn't. I fully believe he just wanted to STOP the advance of the insurrectionists and he did. The fact that she bled to death from the wound borders on being a freak accident. HE DID EVERYTHING RIGHT!

Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #9)

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
11. I had no idea. I saw the photos: I saw a white man aiming through the window.
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 04:08 PM
Jul 2021

This story takes my breath away.

LisaL

(47,423 posts)
16. I had the same impression but looking at the photos now the guy with a gun
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 04:59 PM
Jul 2021

does not appear to be white (not that it should make a difference).

TexasBushwhacker

(21,204 posts)
17. The closest picture I've seen is through the broken glass door
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 05:19 PM
Jul 2021

He is wearing a mask, but not a helmet, and I can't really say what his race is. He has dark hair. That's all I can tell.

Of course the picture isn't really a photograph. It's a capture from a cell phone video, so between the motion and the broken glass, it's hard to tell anything.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
19. Makes you doubt what you saw, doesn't it? The RW is trying to find someone they can pin this on...
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 05:30 PM
Jul 2021

… while they try to turn a terrorist into Joan of Arc. And that person will be killed.

The RW started by saying it must be part of Pence’s detail (which aims the mob at both VP Pence and an agent). Next I heard it must be a member of Schumer’s detail (and Schumer doesn’t have one, right?) Now the agent/cop/whatever is supposed to be black. Shortly they’ll decide it was a member of the Speaker of the House’s detail, but still black.

Trump and the RW and their enablers are still trying to come up with a narrative about Ashli Babbitt that has some real punch. You can watch Trump do what he does best: work on the narrative in front of us.

As we all know, the Truth matters not at all to them.

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
20. The cop IS black.
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 05:34 PM
Jul 2021

I won't link... but they've got him ID'd with a high degree of certainty.

The beaded bracelet he's wearing was matched to other photos.

It's confirmed he's been on paid leave since 1/7.

I sincerely hope he's given a new identity and his family becomes new residents of a nice sunny spot... with a nice retirement pension.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
29. Should someone who stopped the mob long enough that our whole Congress escaped -- be left...
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 01:59 AM
Jul 2021

… to twist in the wind? Trump has now started to call for the man’s summary execution.

So what would you do?

MichMan

(17,151 posts)
31. Looks like we both agree that cops identities need to be kept sealed and not released to the public
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 08:40 AM
Jul 2021

Seems like the right thing to do for their and their families own protection.

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
21. Who killed Ashley Babbitt?
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 05:39 PM
Jul 2021

The people who put her in the position to be storming the capital with an angry mob killed her. The people who incited the mob to try to overturn an election base on lies killed her. She killed herself by trying to climb through a window, in front of that angry mob, that was threatening to hang the Vice President of the US and the Speaker of the House. The people who forced the officer to defend himself with force from a rampaging group of right wing White Supremacists.

THAT is who killed Ashley Babbitt.

Unlike Floyd George, who was under suspicion of possibly passing a counterfeit $20.00 bill, was taken out of the police car he was in, then choked to death for 9 minutes, unlike Eric Garner, who was choked to death for the crime of selling loose cigarettes, Babbitt was in front of a mob that had the intention to harm or kill legislators that day. The officer who shot Babbitt did so in defense of those people and his own safety.

July

(4,789 posts)
22. And Trump gives away that he's scapegoating a Black person:
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 06:55 PM
Jul 2021

“the person that did the shooting would be strung up and hung”

IOW, delivered the punishment of lynching.

While he claims that lynching is something our side would do.

A non-subtle dog whistle from Dumb/Lard-Ass.

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
23. Trump signaled that in his language. "If it were reversed..."
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 07:00 PM
Jul 2021

He's saying that if the victim were black and the shooter white, etc etc. He's comparing it to Derek Chauvin and George Floyd. Sickening.

Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Strelnikov_

(8,170 posts)
25. Ashli Babbitt killed Ashli Babbitt
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 08:15 PM
Jul 2021

The po-po had set up a red line, and were warning they would be shot if they crossed.

The entire hallway, behind the barricade, was a free fire zone, with multiple po-po set up in protected alcoves with clear lines of sight. Really textbook.

It was a line they were going to hold. Only thing I am curious about is what/who were they protecting? VP and speaker is my bet.

bullwinkle428

(20,662 posts)
28. I'm gonna say it - they are trying to turn her into the "WHITE GEORGE FLOYD".
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 10:59 PM
Jul 2021

They saw how George Floyd's murder mobilized millions and millions of people to take to the streets across the country, and they became jealous of that, in their own twisted way.

Some of them genuinely believe she can garner that same level of sympathy, despite the ridiculously polar-opposite circumstances of how those deaths occurred. Truly, no depth to which they will sink.

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