Good news, bad news for Dems on the Manchin front: Came out of Biden lunch without much heartburn...

[demmiblue]

Good news, bad news for Dems on the Manchin front: Came out of Biden lunch without much heartburn about the topline spend. But boy does he have thoughts on climate provisions: "You cannot be moving towards eliminating fossil [fuels]."

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[LakeArenal]

1. We have been subsidizing Oil for decades.

They have done nothing to eliminate their own emissions. Manchin can suck it.

[lagomorph777]

2. Manchin seems to be in bed with the shrinking coal industry.

If he was actually concerned about energy, he would be pushing to build massive wind/solar installations on the flattened mountain tops left behind by his coal baron pals.

[FoxNewsSucks]

3. We're eliminating it for the same reason we no longer use whale-oil lamps to light our houses.

There are better alternatives.

But if that's what it takes to get him to pass the "For The People" act, DO IT, then when republicons can't steal as many seats as they do now, we'll have enough of a majority to pass something on fossil fuels without him.

[Walleye]

4. Oh shit, he's not too bright , I think.

Using Republican talking points, I don’t think anybody thinks we can eliminate fossil fuels immediately, but it is something to work toward. It’s going to happen anyway. Eastman Kodak never thought digital would replace film either.

[brush]

10. Yes sir. Kodak is a great example of what happens when you catch on too late.

They were all about film, but anyone who bought one of the early digital cameras soon found out one could shoot and shoot and shoot, store what one wanted to keep for later, delete the rest, then rinse and repeat, without buying more film.

It was clear as day to those who wanted to see it that film was not the major component of imaging for the future. They ignored digital cameras and storage systems and missed the boat.

The oil companies have missed opportunities as well. They should've considered themselves energy companies long ago and put money into developing other energy sources to maintain their status as the industry the nation depended upon for power. It's a no-brainer but for the most part, they're still following the failed Kodak model.

[brush]

11. I think you're right. He's clinging on to this filibuster/60 votes needed ridiculousness...

as if it didn't exist the country would collapse. And every other Dem senator, except Sinema, has known for years that there are not 10 republican senators who will back any Democratic bill.

As for Sinema, she's an ex-Greene Party member and that party only exists to take away votes from Dems to help republicans win.

I hope Schumer rams this through quickly before Manchin grasps what's happening, or gets a call from Kock, and before Sinema can do her typical, greene-flavored, little "I won't be moved from the filibuster" dance.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

5. Hey Joe, The future called ,come join us

Coal and Oil are outdated and finite.

Look up that word finite, when you get a chance, you might learn something

[Fiendish Thingy]

6. I don't hear any deal breakers in Manchin's comments- 90% good news IMO

They can still include all the funding for green jobs and renewables, and just amend any decreases in fossil subsidies or restrictions.

[nykym]

7. If I were a betting person (I'm not - hate to lose)

I would think that fossil fuel companies already know how to produce clean reliable energy.
But the added cost would affect their bottom line to much.
On the other hand it also may be a lot cheaper meaning that too would affect their bottom line.
Either way we the general public are at their mercy.

[Alpeduez21]

8. Technology IS solving the problem

By moving away from fossil fuels. Fossil fuel companies have done NOTHING to solve the issues related to burning their product. Seems they’ve had enough money thrown at them to accomplish nothing

[OrlandoDem2]

9. Is it me or is this word salad? He's trying to look like he's protecting WV coal.

I think something on climate/clean energy will be included in the bill. At least there better be.

He needs to hold out for major green energy investment in WV to replace all those coal jobs that are going to be obsolete hopefully by 2030.

[Tom Rinaldo]

12. He has a very limited point

Most of the fossil fuel pollution now comes from outside of the United States, so concrete means for other nations to to reduce their fossil fuel emissions msy help. The best way of course is to bring down the costs of alternative souses of energy to the point where even those nations with cheap and plentiful fossil fuel reserves would save money using other ways to generate energy. Short of that, energy conservation technology and inexpensive readily available ways to lesson carbon pollution from fossil fuels could be part of a transition toward a zero carbon future. But that really only applies to other nations that are not in a position now to transition quickly away from fossil fuel consumption.

If research can actually produce some efficient and effective means of simple "carbon capture" that can be used by poorer nations in the near future, that's one thing. But there is no justification for subsidizing any continuing fossil fuel exploration, or for the development of any infra structure to facilitate its movement around the nation or the world.We in the first world have the ways and means to do away with fossil fuel usage and we must take on the responsibility and the leadership in doing so.

[cally]

13. Fine...put more money into new technologies

Even from a climate perspective it is a good idea since fossil fuels will remain dominant in the short run. In return, pass the bill with voting rights.