Jerusalem Post: Who is most likely to develop severe COVID-19 even after a second jab?

[SheltieLover]

https://m.jpost.com/health-science/who-is-most-likely-to-develop-serious-covid-19-even-after-a-second-jab-673788

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Older individuals with many underlying medical conditions and immunosuppression are more likely to contract coronavirus and would develop a severe case of COVID-19 even after being fully vaccinated, according to a world-first study conducted in Israel.

But who are these people?
A team of Israeli doctors led by Prof. Tal Brosh, head of the Infectious Disease Unit at Samson Assuta Ashdod Hospital, studied 152 fully vaccinated patients from 17 hospitals who developed COVID-19 more than seven days after they received their second vaccine dose and required hospitalization before the end of April.

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"Overall, we can say that the main thing is that these are not healthy people,” Brosh told The Jerusalem Post in an interview. “Almost all of them (96%) had comorbidities: heart disease, lung disease, renal disease, dementia, cancer, or other common ailments. So, people who get breakthrough infections and are admitted are sicker than a usual person.

Specifically, 71% had hypertension; 48% diabetes; 27% congestive heart failure; 24% chronic kidney disease; 24% chronic lung disease; 19% dementia; and 24% cancer. Only 6% did not have any underlying medical condition.

Stay safe, All! 😷

[Throck]

1. How many of those underlying conditions are self induced?

[SheltieLover]

3. Not sure

Admittedly a small study. Just trying to share info that might be helpful.

[Hekate]

5. All of them. People totally ask for dementia. My father solicited a case of scarlet fever as a kid...

…that damaged his heart. My cousin — wow, that diabetic coma she went into at the age of 12 was clearly a case of self-harm. Myself and my husband, yep, we got old. And my husband totally demanded to have a case of ulcerative colitis so bad he’s been on an immunosuppressant for 20 years.


Anything else?

[MissB]

9. Well put

And exceedingly polite.

Way more polite than I could be.

[Throck]

10. Consider how smoking, drinking and obesity play into COVID morbidity.

There are things we can't control and things we can control. By taking better care of ourselves we protect the ones who have genuine problems. Improved odds within society.

[Withywindle]

30. That's still some blame the victim BS though

Obesity can be caused by many things, not just overeating and lack of exercise. It's a side effect of a lot of medications, it has a genetic root, etc. Addiction is a disease in and of itself that many people struggle with their whole lives - that also can have genetic roots or, very commonly, self-medication from trauma and/or undiagnosed mental illness or chronic pain.

Obviously taking care of yourself is good. But when you say stuff like this, people hear, "Is my life worth less because I'm fat? Because I struggle with a drinking problem? If I get deathly ill, is it my fault?"

[JohnSJ]

11. You threw me for a moment before I saw the sarcasm tag. +++

[leftstreet]

20. +1

[NH Ethylene]

7. Are you suggesting they deserve to get Covid?

Or that it's okay for there to be serious breakthrough cases if they are only people with bad health habits?

Because otherwise, I don't really understand why you would ask that question.

Additionally, you might want to look in the mirror because much of this carnage is due to the typical American diet. Unless you eat all whole grains, 5 veggies & fruits per day, limited red meat, no trans fats, and never eat at fast food places then you are also 'self-inducing' these diseases.

[Hekate]

21. I think he is suggesting that

[I_UndergroundPanther]

25. Yeah people "choose" to be sick.

If you believe that horseshit.. regardless it's an asshole thing to say to people that suffer. There are so many factors as to why some people develop diseases and who don't or get different diseases.
Talk about blame the victim..
Get some compassion.

[SoonerPride]

2. The median age of the patients was 71.

[SheltieLover]

4. Yup.

[Throck]

12. Step father in law is 87 with heart blockage.

Caught Covid and in hospital 2 week. Only because he was in for surgery. No respiratory issues. He's skinny as a rail and has always walked or went on a bike ride daily. Eats healthy. No vax available back then. Vaxed now.

Back to bike riding.

[SheltieLover]

16. Glad he's better!

[luckone]

6. Thanks I have read elsewhere overweight can be a cause I wonder if the remaining 6% were overweight

It is not a medical condition and it doesn’t take much to be considered overweight
Unfortunately what I read was vague on BMI , etc. but they also mentioned the same as your link , an older age group
I don’t have any issues but I still try to put on masks in high volume indoor places . Not outdoors anymore unless I see everyone on the street especially lots families with little kids with them on, then I’ll raise mine up

I am surprised my healthy teens are still doing it inside places too and sometimes they remind me as we are leaving
“Do you have your mask ? “
They work in retail settings and wear them at work too.
When any of us are with our friends family etc. and all vaccinated no we do not

We all know people who were sick with covid youth to old .

This link sounds very promising but i will probably continue the practice and some places still require masks here -like just to get on the bus!

[SheltieLover]

17. I still mask & social distance, etc.

I realize the CDCs job is to look at our population as a whole.

My job is to use my common sense & stay alive as an individual.

[LisaL]

8. Seems like we are right back where we started.

People who were most vulnerable before the vaccine are still most vulnerable after the vaccine.

[Yavin4]

13. But, they were vulnerable before covid as well.

Older people with those maladies are more likely to die even without covid.

[Ms. Toad]

14. And we are back to the March 2020 mantra -

It's just old, sick {e.g. worthless} people who catch it, so why worry.

I'd add the sarcasm tag, but the people who were saying that to me weren't being sarcastic when they said it the day before we shut the University down.

[Budi]

15. K & R Thank You for the info. It actually makes sense, as with any contagious illness.

Even a simple cold or flue can be worsened in an individual with these pre-conditions.

“Almost all of them (96%) had comorbidities: heart disease, lung disease, renal disease, dementia, cancer, or other common ailments. So, people who get breakthrough infections and are admitted are sicker than a usual person.

Specifically, 71% had hypertension; 48% diabetes; 27% congestive heart failure; 24% chronic kidney disease; 24% chronic lung disease; 19% dementia; and 24% cancer. Only 6% did not have any underlying medical condition.

Stay safe is right, thanks

[SheltieLover]

18. Yw, Budi!

This info specifically excludes delta variant because of the dates involved.

I'm not letting my guard down.

Ty for kick!

[canetoad]

19. Oi!

You calling us elderly?

Seriously, thanks for the info Sheltie.

[SheltieLover]

22. Yw, Canetoad!

Many seniors here & I've been very concerned about delta breakthroughs because even asymptomatic or mild cases can & often do result in long haul.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

23. Got the top 2 comorbitites

I sure hope I'm not fucked. I keep my blood levels in the 80's to the low 100's. Don't take insulin, I take metformin and glimperide tho.
On blood pressure meds too.

I wonder how much of a risk I have?

I wear my mask anytime I am in a building where there are other people,masked or not.

[SheltieLover]

26. I've not changed my pandfmic protocols at all

And I don't have any of these conditions.

Please be safe & take good care! Also, please know these #s are not considering delta due to the dates of info collected.

Also, asymptomatic & mild cases can & often do result in long haul!



😷

[appalachiablue]

24. TY Sheltie, I just included this in my earlier post

today in the Health section which focused mostly on vaxed younger age groups with mild breakthrough symptoms. It left out this sector.

I was just about to look for recent articles here on the the broader scope- cases of vaxxed people with comorbidities and older who experienced more serious side effects from breakthrough Covid infection.

And Voila!

Merci beaucoups!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/114225946

[SheltieLover]

27. Yw, AB!

These #s do not take into account the delta variant because of dates data was collected.

😷

[appalachiablue]

28. Thanks, I saw that but still an impt. study.

[SheltieLover]

29. I agree

Just wanted to clarify.