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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 05:15 PM Jul 2021

If someone bumps into you once on a crowded sidewalk, there is ample reason go

assume the collision was accidental.

If the same person bumps into you again a little harder the next day at the same place on the same sidewalk, you may call that a weird coincidence.

But, if you receive painful jolts from this person on a daily basis for the rest of the week and beyond, at some point the bruises are YOUR fault: you have, by your silence and inaction, given your batterer PERMISSION to hurt you.

If anyone thinks the above situation is comparable to the daily barrages of racist, vulgar, transparently stupid lies spewed by the moral pygmies on the other side of the aisle, well, gee---you just might have something there.

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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
3. "---earn the right?" No, but a bully can be encouraged to continue the abuse. And, "blaming the
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 05:43 PM
Jul 2021

victim"?

As I said, at some point, yes.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
4. Painful attempts at analogies aside
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 05:49 PM
Jul 2021

It is never okay to bully or abuse someone, or aid in that abuse, because of a perception the victim isn't doing enough to defend themselves. That isn't "permission" to bully or abuse, nor is it an excuse to do nothing about it.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
7. What is truly "painful" is the transparent attempt to put words that were never spoken or
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 06:25 PM
Jul 2021

even implied into the mouth of another. No one suggested that bullying was "okay".

I assumed, incorrectly it seems, that most here understood analogies.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
8. "you have, by your silence and inaction, given your batterer PERMISSION to hurt you."
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 06:27 PM
Jul 2021

Direct quote via copy paste. I didn't put those words there. You did. Do you somehow have your own special definition of the word permission that is different from everyone else's?

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
9. I'm sure you think that means something in support of your post. Where is your quote of me saying
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 06:41 PM
Jul 2021

that bullying is "okay"?

We "permitted" McConnell's theft of a SCOTUS seat We "permitted" the suppression of countless votes. Hell, we "permitted" Trump to squat in the Oval Office for four disgusting years, not because the majority of Americans chose him, but because an unholy alliance of Putin, corrupt Republicans, white supremacists, billionaires and garden-variety psychopaths chose him.

NONE of those things were "okay".

kcr

(15,315 posts)
10. So, if you think someone has permission to do something
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 06:43 PM
Jul 2021

That means it isn't okay? Interesting.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
11. "Permission" is a noun. To give permission is to "permit" (a verb). A synonym of "permit",
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 07:10 PM
Jul 2021

per Macmillan Dictionary, is "tolerate".

To tolerate is to allow someone to do something you dislike.

Therefore, while someone who gives permission to some to do something MAY be saying "That's okay with me", they also may just be tolerating or allowing the conduct.

Your "okay" was an unwarranted assumption and was never my intent.

Wounded Bear

(58,642 posts)
5. Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action...
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 05:54 PM
Jul 2021

When bad behaviors continue, it truly does identify people who mean you evil.

Far too many people seem to fall into Stockholm Syndrome too easily. As a society, we need to support the real victims, not the bullies and perpetrators.

betsuni

(25,456 posts)
6. Another "Why don't/didn't Democrats stop _____ ?" Why don't Democrats stop Republicans.
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 06:19 PM
Jul 2021

If they can't it's because they don't really want to, they're complicit. If they just fight hard enough Republicans will be nice. As Bernie Sanders said about Republican voters, "We've got to take it to them. I intend ... to start going into Trumpland and start talking to people." See, easy.



AverageOldGuy

(1,523 posts)
12. Once is happenstance . . .
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 07:39 PM
Jul 2021

Ian Fleming, author of the James Bond novels, analyzed it this way:

"Once is happenstance.
Twice is coincidence."
Three times is enemy action."


Or,

“Mr Bond, they have a saying in Chicago: 'Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action'.” (Goldfinger)

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