On 1/6, Pence Refused To Get In Secret Service Car Because He Didn't Trust Them

[babylonsister]

7/15/21 7:05pm
On 1/6, Pence Refused To Get In Secret Service Car Because He Didn't Trust Them
When they tried to evacuate him on 1/6, he worried they might be part of a Trump conspiracy.
By Susie Madrak


Here's a little tidbit that flew past yesterday on Deadline White House with Nicolle Wallace.

"I want to read more about Mike Pence's experience on January 6th," Wallace said, reading from the Leonnig-Rucker book, "I Alone Can Fix It."

"They go on to record at 2:26 p.m., after a team of agents scouted a safe path to ensure the Pences would not encounter trouble, Giebels, their top Secret Service agent, and the rest of Pence's detail, guided them down the staircase to a secure subterranean area rioters couldn't reach where his armored limousine awaited. He asked Pence to get into one of the vehicles. 'We can hold here,' he said. 'I'm not getting in the car, Tim,' Pence replied. 'I trust you, Tim. But you're not driving the car. If I get in that vehicle, you guys are taking off. I'm not getting in that car.'

" 'The Pences made their way to a secure underground area to wait out the riot. Pence feared a conspiracy, feared that the Secret Service would aid Trump and his ultimate aims that day.' This is the most harrowing version of Mike Pence's day I've seen reported," she said.

"Nicolle, this is typical of a dictatorship of an authoritarian anti-democratic regime," Jeremy Bash said.

"This is not typical of the greatest democracy ever on the face of the planet. And I think what you're seeing here is a dynamic that the former president advanced and wished for, which is to somehow enlist the security services to include law enforcement, to include maybe the Secret Service, the United States military and maybe the intelligence community, which are and must remain apolitical organizations.

more...

https://crooksandliars.com/2021/07/16-pence-refused-get-secret-service-car

[lagomorph777]

1. WOW.

[TheBlackAdder]

80. Hey man, sometimes those spidey senses kick in and you know something's just not right.

.

In Whitey Vulgar's case, it's. . .



.

[Johnny2X2X]

2. Wow

And yet, Pence sticks up for Trump to this day.

[madaboutharry]

3. He is afraid of Trump supporters.

He knows they’re all crazy.

[tblue37]

8. And he fantasizes that he still has a chance to be nominated as the GOP candidate in 2024,

so he doesn't want to alienate the GOP base even further by failing to suck up to their god-emperor.

[madaboutharry]

10. Pence is a weakling.

None of these republicans have any principles, except maybe 4 or 5 people. Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, and maybe a few others. They are pathetic.

[exboyfil]

20. History won't be kind to him

He should have blowtorched Trump after 1/6 (well he should have never got in bed with him in the first place, but you know).

[Laura PourMeADrink]

84. Just saw a clip of pence defending FG. This has GOT

to be the best example of being the ultimate doormat, ever? The former guy encouraged his followers to hate you! They erected a fucking noose platform, dude.

Any perception of a tiny iota of anything good about you?... Poof gone completely.

[Botany]

98. Pence was picked to be V.P. by Putin via Paul Manafort.

https://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-was-handpicked-paul-manafort-696412

BTW Pence also was very aware of the the Russian interference in the 2016 election too. In
November of 2016 he spoke about "the other side" using Russian interference in the election
as a reason to delegitimize Trump's win.

[Lonestarblue]

29. And it was Manafort who pushed for Pence, knowing he was a weakling.

Was Pence the Putin choice because he is a weakling and presumably could also be blackmailed into doing what Russia wanted if something happened to Trump? Putin believes Trump to be mentally unbalanced, so he would likely want another weakling backup in case Trump went totally off the rails. I’ve always believed that Manafort was taking orders from Russia and that the whole Trump family knew this and were fine with it if their efforts would secure Trump’s win.

[Demsrule86]

78. I don't think Pence is weak. Despite all the risks he still did his job in regards to the

Electoral college. The secret service could have been one of Trump's minions...seems smart to me...not to get in a car with a potential Trump SS agent. He is a marked man now by Trump supporters who may yet succeed in killing him. I doubt he really believes he can win the primary. There is no question that Trumpers would have killed Pence had they got their hands on him.

[bluboid]

87. I agree - thank god Pence stayed out of that car & did the job of certifying the election -

that's outright heroic to me, not weakness at all. where would we be if he'd been whisked away or took the other guy's side. it's too horrifying to consider.

[Demsrule86]

102. I think that too.

[femmedem]

90. I agree. He showed strength that day. IMO, he believed the vp role compelled him to be subservient.

But I also think that while he didn't like or respect Trump, he does believe in Republican ideology and is one of those people who considers it his duty to obey authority. We're lucky that on January 6 he decided that the constitution is a greater authority than Trump.

[Demsrule86]

103. He may very well have saved the Republic by doing his job.

God knows what wsould have happened had Trump had more time.

[Joinfortmill]

92. Agree 100%

[Demsrule86]

104. Biden immediately made changes. SS was likely compromized.

[Cracklin Charlie]

23. They came to the Capitol for HIM.

“Hang Mike Pence”

He’s got lots to be afraid of.

[Joinfortmill]

93. Yup.

[Hortensis]

27. :) Yes, but why? The RW cabal that includes the GOP has been

working toward a RW takeover since long before tRump. And they include Pence, who combines the interests of the hard-core religious right, culture wars RWers, and RW plutocrats -- and, by his own statements, God's. So it makes sense that he still supports the man the right's power is currently tied to. The noble, godly goal that is within sight is far greater than any man.

[diverdownjt]

50. Don't forget the rw-religeuonazi's need for a....

a sacrificial lamb or martyr.

We could be in for some serious political theater of the machiavelian kind.

[Demsrule86]

105. Think about the French Revolution... In the end they executed early supporters.

[Hortensis]

107. :) Hi, Dems. I do. The Nazis. Many others.

Just wonder which of the currently allied and overlapping RW power blocs might most likely end up on top and executing competition as needed, and desired.

[Demsrule86]

113. It is shocking to me that so many of them are such cold blooded would be murderers...Hotentensis...

Really quite chilling. I have no doubt they would get rid of all of us if they could and then start with the less pure among them or those who have somehow fallen out of the TFG's favor.

[Hortensis]

115. Of course they wouldn't need to get rid of all of us, just those

who resist and don't become collaborators. Studies of populations under authoritarian oppression show that virtually everyone collaborates to get along in police states.

I'm reading something now about how close Nazi Germany came to developing the nuclear bomb first. If they had...

[Tree Lady]

32. I was thinking same thing

Trump has some big dirt on him.

[live love laugh]

61. He knew the real targets so he wasn't afraid. nt

[peppertree]

4. Yet none of this stops Dense Pense from kissing orange derriere

It's obvious he'd gladly throw himself - and even Mother - under the bus for Needy Amin.

[Snarkoleptic]

5. Pence said that he and TFG would never see eye-to-eye on the events of 1/6.

That was some low grade milquetoast B.S. from a guy whose political career is over.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

85. +1. DUzy!!!

[musette_sf]

6. I read this yesterday

and as much as I abhor Pence and everything he stands for, he was determined to stay at the Capitol to complete the certification. And I think he was damn right that the Secret Service would have removed him from the premises to further bollix the certification.

[Cracklin Charlie]

25. I am somewhat impressed that he stayed and did his duty.

I can give him credit for knowing the importance of the moment.

[dianaredwing]

30. I think these idiots were so delusional

that until the actual violence of the insurrection happened they believed they could simply have a bloodless coup. Pense was probably scared out of his wits and the only thing he could do to save his own skin was to proceed as planned with the certification. These people are so OUT OF IT, that they simply can't comprehend defeat until it bulldozes right over them.

[Joinfortmill]

95. Yup.

[ecstatic]

59. I agree. As much

as pence pissed me off at times, he did the right thing that day. But he lost me again when he refused to "25th Amendment" TFG after 1/6/21.

[calimary]

110. Maybe he's like the proverbial broken clock. Right twice a day.

I’ll give him a few points for staying on Capitol Hill and doing his job. But other than that, not impressed. And he went right back to assuming the trump-toadie position afterwards.

[GusBob]

35. That's a good point

Maybe this article is misleading and suggesting he would be fed to the wolves or killed but he decided to stay to complete the certification

[Pobeka]

70. I doubt that. I think he was more afraid of the Secret Service and chose to stay put.

If he completely trusted the Secret Service to *not* be part of Trump's insurrection conspiracy Pence would've be out of town in no time flat.

[Joinfortmill]

94. Yup.

[Stinky The Clown]

7. Wow. Just wow!!!!

[Captain Zero]

13. Best thing Pence could do now is join Jimmy Carter

And start building houses.

[salin]

39. lol

I can't even imagine that.

Off topic question - given your avi, I am guessing that you, too, are a Hoosier?

Does Rep. Banks (now chair of the house gop policy committee) remind you of a striving up through house leadership younger Mike Pence?

[Bristlecone]

71. I kinda like that idea. His long road to redemption

[Captain Zero]

15. Best thing Pence could do now is join Jimmy Carter

And start building houses.

[usaf-vet]

55. Sadly Jimmy Carter's house building days are over. That latest story I saw was Jimmy and his wife...

.... are planning their burial spots. A spot on their own property on a slight hill surround by their favorite gardens. And as always they will be together as they have been for 79(?) years of marriage.

Pence in my book doesn't deserve to be within 1000 miles of President Carter.

[Joinfortmill]

96. Amen

[smb]

112. I'd Hoped He's Hang On Long Enough For The Word To Come That Guinea Worm Was Gone...

...but the current projection is for 2030, and I doubt he'll make it.

[malaise]

9. And yet he has remained silent instead of exposing

his fascist leader. Fuck him too

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

62. Yeah, fuck that motherfucking Establishment-clause-denying, Trump-sucking weasel.

I think it's worse than remaining silent though, in that not long after the insurrection he spoke of his support for Pissolini.

[malaise]

63. Agree- flies know garbage

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/10/08/mike-pence-fly-on-head-debate-sot-vpx.cnn

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

64. Ha--I fogot about him attracting flies!

Quite fitting.

[AZ8theist]

66. Flies know a shithead for sure....

[malaise]

67. Even better

[liberalmuse]

11. This is unbelievably disturbing.

Anyone who isn't profoundly disturbed by this, the events of 1/6 and T***'s entire presidency has no business living in a democracy or civilized society. The hammer of justice needs to fall hard on all those involved, including anyone trying to mess with the elections. They used to put traitors to death in this country, and I understand why if you want to ensure we don't have a Fourth Reich in a few years.

[Joinfortmill]

97. Amen to that

[Tiger8]

108. THIS - It must happen.

Poetic justice would be to use the guillotine built by his cult followers.

But the first ones under the blade should be Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn and Sean Hannity, with TFG watching - because they had his ear and used it to encourage his worst instincts. TFG wasn't smart enough to craft this on his own - so they gave him ideas and reminded him that he's got the power to succeed at a fascist coup.

The 1/6 investigation will reveal other bad actors, certainly among his family members, congressional republicans, his cabinet and advisors, plus funders and leaders of shadowy right wing groups.

[global1]

12. What The Hell Was Going On And What Did Pence Know About.....

this day that led him to fear that there was a conspiracy and that the SS would aid Tr**p in his endeavors of that day?

This Insurrection Committee need to subpoena Pence and get him on record.

Given what Milley is saying and now Pence - Tr**p was trying to pull off something big that day. Fortunately he wasn't successful.

I'm wondering who else in his evil cabal was involved with him and the planning for that day.

Surely Roger Stone. Perhaps Rudy. Wonder if the Tr**p kids were privy to TFG's plans?

[Bucky]

21. The first thing Hitler did when he had a little bit of power...

... was to use the SS to take out the SA.

The first thing Stalin did was to gulag or erase his internal party rivals.

It makes perfect sense that Pence would think Trump's who would include taking out the VP. This is how extremists act. They never attack the general populace until they finish purifying their own ranks.

What this tells you is that Pence is no different that Trump. Either Stalin kills Trotsky or Trotsky kills Stalin. There are no good guys in that world.

Except in the field of economics, the only Republicans you can trust are Romney and Kinzinger. Everyone else, the sainted Liz Cheney included, is a fascist or a quisling. The uniform kowtowing the Trump tells you that.

[smirkymonkey]

76. Night of the Long Knives.

That is the first thing Trump will do if he manages to get back into power. I guarantee it.

[musette_sf]

44. I think it was clear that the SS would do so

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when TFG took his Super Spreader Victory Limo Ride around Walter Reed. There is no way in hell that should have happened in a sane world.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/04/trump-walter-reed-drive-by-visit-criticism

[dalton99a]

14. Kick

[NCjack]

16. I suspect just saved his own life.

[Buckeyeblue]

17. The question is was there a failed coup?

Was Trump wanting for a key event to happen before he went all-in? Maybe taking key members of congress hostage or seeing them assassinated?

When that didn't happen Trump backed off. But that's why he waited so long to "call off" the terrorists.

That way the coup stayed soft and he could keep his hands clean. That's been Trump's SOP his whole like, lay back and let others do the dirty work. If they fail he quickly backs away. If they succeed he rushes to the front of the room to take credit. This was no different.

[Bucky]

18. GOP Grand Old Projection

Of course Pence suspected the Secret Service had been converted to a secret praetorian guard loyal to Trump over the US Constitution. That has always been the right wing Dominionist dream.

Pence's dilemma was not that he was loyal to democracy and a threat to the coup plotters, but that he had always favored a quiet coup & yet somehow got put in the outsiders' group. He didn't think they would turn on him; his objection was not that God should take over the US government, only that God somehow picked Trump instead of a true Christian.

It would be like if an ethnic Romani had joined the Nazi party because of his anti-semitism, only to later find out his family was on the list too.

[marybourg]

49. When I lived in New Mexico, there were Mexican immigrant skinheads.

They said they didn’t know . . . .

[Hekate]

19. Watched Nicolle last night on the DVR, & by the time it was over I shuddered

Just when I think I can’t be that shocked by further information about 1/6 — it turns out I still can.

[Roc2020]

22. oh my!

[Champp]

24. Republican treachery is some Super High Heinous Shit

Republicans have demonstrated themselves to be unworthy in every regard.

[sop]

26. No wonder Biden demanded a different WH SS detail after taking office.

Trump thoroughly corrupted the Secret Service, using agents for all manner of political activities and other nefarious things. Pence was likely well aware of Trump's coup intentions that day. Seth Abramson wrote a detailed piece about the January 6 SS scandal:

https://sethabramson.substack.com/p/a-january-6-secret-service-scandal

[BadgerMom]

36. I thought of this, too.

I’m glad Biden and his team were aware of the corruption of the Secret Service. I worry that the roots of the corruption are still established.

[crickets]

86. Another wow.

Regardless of Pence's concerns or motives, that he refused to get into the car with his own Secret Service detail is just stunning.

Thanks for the link; I'm about halfway through the article, which is as disturbing.

[Wingus Dingus]

28. Afraid that Trump would have him offed.

He totally would do that, Mikey, if it served his goals.

[twodogsbarking]

101. Yep.

[alphafemale]

31. I almost feel sorry for him.

"almost"

[Jilly_in_VA]

34. So do I

Pence is a weak man, and not very bright (his nickname in the House was "Mike Dense&quot , but I do think he perceived what was his duty as Vice-President and president pro tem of the Senate and was determined to carry it out. I also don't blame him for not trusting the Secret Service. He knew that a certain percentage of them were nothing but flunkies of TFG and he was right to be afraid of them. The way things were, they could have taken him anywhere and held him hostage or even, God forbid, assassinated him, for all he knew.

[Aviation Pro]

33. Bloated Tick's secret service detail should immediately be rotated out and replaced with....

...agents who aren't his preferred skin color. That'll make the obese parasite go radio silent real quick.

[WA-03 Democrat]

40. Random things

Sometimes just happen. Change is your friend in fact

[SCantiGOP]

37. So, Pence was afraid trump would have him killed

But he is still to scared (or concerned about a political future) to speak out against the guy trying to overthrow the government.
Hard to believe, but totally believable with what we have learned in the last 9 months.

[samsingh]

38. i think the tag line the greatest democracy has been in the rear view mirror since geoge w

stole the election.

We are now teetering on the brink of destruction with the repugs will to destroy Democracy for whatever money, favors and joy they are getting in being traitors.

[Carlitos Brigante]

41. And of course, being the honorable, stand up guy that he is. He came

right out and told every...... Oh never mind....

[bullwinkle428]

47. The dumbfuck still believes he has a shot at the 2024 GOP nomination!!

[Carlitos Brigante]

58. Oh totally. He's gonna waltz right in and snatch the nomination from

Rush Limbaugh's maggot infested remains. And I will be crowned King of Wakanda any day now......

[IronLionZion]

42. Trump didn't seem to mind that Pence was in danger

or anyone in the Capitol that day. He was totally fine with his supporters committing violent acts of terrorism knowing that GOP politicians will stupidly try to gaslight us later.

[ShazzieB]

52. Of course he didn't mind if Pence was in danger.

TFG doesn't ever mind what happens to other people. As a malignant narcissist, HE is the center of his universe, and other people only matter in terms of what they can do FOR him and/or whether they stand in the way of getting what he wants.

Lack of empathy is one of the hallmarks of narcissistic personality disorder. He knows other people have needs and desires; he just doesn't care. How other people feel and what happens to them is meaningless to him. That's why he's so quick to throw people under the bus without a second thought.

Put another way, people are like objects to TFG and his ilk. Once someone has shown that they can't or won't do his bidding, TFG will toss them aside like a broken tool. "You are no longer useful to me, so into the bin with you."

Once TFG saw that Pence wasn't going to interfere with certifying the electoral votes, he was no longer of any use. If he had been hanged by the insurrectionists or assassinated by TFG's Secret Service flunkies, or met with any other kind of harm, TFG wouldn't have shed a single tear. In his twisted mind, Pence would have deserved anything that happened to him.

[bpj62]

43. Trump controlled the Secret Service

Now this makes sense. A riot breaks out at the Capitol and Pence is whisked by his detail down to the basement where his limo is waiting to move him to a secure location. Trump didn't intend to have Pence killed but once he was away from the Capitol Trump would have commanded the Secret Service to make sure that Pence did not return to the Capitol which would have prevented the certification of the Electoral votes from being finished.

Now tie in the stand down/delay that was given to the DC National Guard and it all ties together. Trump and his Secretary of Defense had no intention of calling in the Guard to stop the riot. They fully expected Pence to be gone and if Pelosi or Schumer or AOC was caught and subsequently killed well then all the better. This was a planned operation and it is clear why the Republicans do not want anybody looking into the events of January 6th.
As Malcolm Nance says it is very hard to an coincidence.

[Grasswire2]

73. I suspect that will be the general understanding as we learn more.

And you have summarized it well.

Pence's family was with him? And the man with the football apparatus was with him. What was the plan for them?

[Joinfortmill]

99. Holy shit

[czarjak]

45. That's Hillaryous! In a Sucker-Loser kind of way.

[joetheman]

46. The only intelligent thing I can think of that he did as VP. nt

[bucolic_frolic]

48. It's a plot that reads like Mission Impossible - the 1960s version

Still surprised Pence was that astute. Doesn't sound like instinct, sounds like mistrust brewing for several years.

[Blue_true]

72. Or that movie that Bruce Willis starred in where Willis' character kidnapped

the Vice President by getting him into a car that was driven by the Willis character associates.

[underpants]

51. That's completely disturbing

[WarGamer]

53. I'll believe it when I hear it from Pence.

Otherwise it's gossip in a week of gossip.

[NBachers]

54. This would've been rejected in House of Cards as too implausible.

[nature-lover]

56. He had seen enough movies to know that there would not be a good ending if he got in the car.

[orangecrush]

57. Holy SHIT

Banana republic

[uponit7771]

60. Fuckin WOW !!!

[marble falls]

65. And then he reaches out to Trump.

[FakeNoose]

68. This proves that Pence KNEW more than he let on that day

Mike Pence had better be called to testify when they get this investigation going for real. Get him under oath and make him tell us what he knew and when he knew it.

[reACTIONary]

69. BS. This is a distortion of what was reported....

.... in I Alone Can Fix It: Donald J. Trump’s Catastrophic Final Year.” Rucker and Leonnig.

He wouldn't get in the "escape car" because he was adamant that he should stay in the capital building so as to defy the insurrectionists.

"“I’m not getting in the car, Tim,” Pence replied. “I trust you, Tim, but you’re not driving the car. If I get in that vehicle, you guys are taking off. I’m not getting in the car.”


At 2:13, Pence’s Secret Service detail removed the vice president from the Senate floor and took him through a side door to his ceremonial office nearby, along with his wife, Karen, their daughter Charlotte, and his brother, Greg, a congressman from Indiana. The Pences were hurried across one of the Capitol’s many ornate marble hallways to get there, but the path proved eerily close to danger.
At that moment, Pence was still in his ceremonial office — protected by Secret Service agents, but vulnerable because the second-floor office had windows that could be breached and the intruding thugs had gained control of the building. Tim Giebels, the lead special agent in charge of the vice president’s protective detail, twice asked Pence to evacuate the Capitol, but Pence refused. “I’m not leaving the Capitol,” he told Giebels. The last thing the vice president wanted was the people attacking the Capitol to see his 20-car motorcade fleeing. That would only vindicate their insurrection.

The third time Giebels asked Pence to evacuate, it was more of an order than a request. “They’re in the building,” Giebels said. “The room you’re in is not secure. There are glass windows. I need to move you. We’re going.”

At 2:26, after a team of agents scouted a safe path to ensure the Pences would not encounter trouble, Giebels and the rest of Pence’s detail guided them down a staircase to a secure subterranean area that rioters couldn’t reach, where the vice president’s armored limousine awaited. Giebels asked Pence to get in one of the vehicles. “We can hold here,” he said.

“I’m not getting in the car, Tim,” Pence replied. “I trust you, Tim, but you’re not driving the car. If I get in that vehicle, you guys are taking off. I’m not getting in the car.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/15/jan-6-i-alone-can-fix-it-book-excerpt/

[Blue_true]

74. So Pence was actually being a patriot.

He knew that the Presidential election needed to be certified and that required him to stay in the Capitol. He showed a lot more courage than I thought was in him.

[reACTIONary]

75. There were several other leaders who did the same...

... both Dem and Rep. ....Pelosi ...Romney. They knew that fleeing would look like surrender and that they had to stay and certify the vote in a very public way.

Then there were the assholes who STILL voted against certification.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

77. If we read of 3rd world country going thru this, we'd say "Who is the tinpot dictator causing it?"nt

[Blue Owl]

79. Sweet mother of God

Wouldn’t put it past FF45 to set a hulking booby trap

[Upthevibe]

81. Kick....n/t

[Grasswire2]

82. look at these comments from readers of Seth Abramson's article in MARCH

Just a couple of them here;

If President Trump had plans to possibly assassinate Vice President Pence for not rejecting the electoral votes certification, in order to have Senate pro tempore Chuck Grassley take his place to reject the certification – which is evidenced by Trump's "Attorney" Lin Wood's Jan. 06 Parler message to shoot VP Mike Pence – then the Secret Service team around Trump was aware of a plot to kill the Secret Service team around Pence. That means the whole organization is internally corrupted. If Sen. Grassley also refused to reject the certification, they would assassinate him and House Speaker Rep. Nancy Pelosi, thereby allowing Secretary of State Mike Pompeo (former CIA Director) to become acting V.P. while Trump declared martial law. This plan is evidenced by Pompeo's Nov. 10 comment: "There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration." This plan is evidenced by Trump's Dec. 10 comment: "This is going to escalate dramatically. This is a very dangerous moment in our history. A coup is taking place in front of our eyes." This plan is evidenced by Steve Bannon, hired as Trump's White House Chief Strategist and Senior Counselor to the President, who on Jan. 05 said, "All hell is going to break loose tomorrow. It's gonna be moving. It's gonna be quick." This plan is evidenced by Sen. Chuck Grassley saying on Jan. 05 that he would preside over the electoral votes certification process the next day, instead of V.P. Mike Pence, because: "We don't expect him to be there." This plan is evidenced by Rep. Lauren Boebert on Jan. 06 sharing updates of Nancy Pelosi's location, after being told by House security to avoid that because the Capitol had already been breached. This plan is evidenced by Donald Trump on Jan. 06 calling Sen. Mike Lee to ask Sen. Tommy Tuberville about V.P. Mike Pence's location, then Trump immediately posting a rage-tweet directing the mob's anger at Pence, while Trump's "Attorney" Lin Wood did the same on Parler.

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MikeMar 25
I honestly believe it was a feint on trump's and pence's part (violence against pence); there was no way in hell the SS would allow pence to be taken under their watch. It was a ploy to make it appear pence was in danger. From the pov of the insurrectionists - yes, they may have wanted to do pence bodily harm, but no doubt the SS would never allow it to happen (think babbit). And to top it off, pence never spoke out against trump or the insurrectionists wanting to do him harm. It all seems a bit odd that pence wouldn't express any concerns at all about the entire incident where his life and that of his family's would be threatened.


[link:httphttps://sethabramson.substack.com/p/a-january-6-secret-service-scandal/comments|

[BGBD]

83. I dont buy this story

I think it's coming from Pence to make himself look better. If he was actually worried about his Ss detail the. What difference does getting in the car make? They could just shoot him.

Pence stayed because the SS decided it was the best play. He'd had run if he had the chance. He's a chicken shit, regardless of whatever story he's telling.

[Mister Ed]

100. I'm thinking he just stayed out of the car because he wanted to remain at the capitol.

Once he was in the car, there was every likelihood that the the SS would whisk him away, for his own safety. But it appears to me that he wanted to remain at the capitol and complete the certification of the election - which is what he ultimately did.

[BGBD]

111. Yeah....I don't believe that either

I believe that's the story he'd like everyone to believe....but he's as FoS as Trump.

I think he stayed because the USSS decided it was easier to protect him in that labyrinth of tunnels than to drive away through surface streets that they didn't have complete control of along a route they couldn't secure

Besides, Pence didn't actually need to be there. It could have gone on without him.

[keithbvadu2]

88. Supporting Donald is a calculated cost/benefit decision.

Pence is not alone.

[jaxexpat]

89. Pence lost his faith.

Faith in his smarmy ass-kissing's ability to keep him on Trump's "good" side. So, in addition to being a shameless charlatan, religio-grifter and all-round jerk, turns out he's also a COWARD.

[Joinfortmill]

91. Everyone, and I mean everyone, behind this insurrection needs to be outed and charged.

[Texin]

106. I read that yesterday and was astounded.

Yet, Pence still feels the need to suck the former guy's ass.

[NH Ethylene]

109. That is shocking! n/t

[ansible]

114. How true can this really be?

There's no other source except that book