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tblue37

(65,274 posts)
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 10:42 PM Jul 2021

PREVENTING herd immunity seems to be the point of powerful right-wing forces & influencers.



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David Frum
@davidfrum
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Jul 16, 2021
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The euphemistic term "vaccine hesitancy" is becoming seriously misleading. It is value-neutral, even carries a faint connotation of deliberation and thoughtfulness. But that's not what has happened with the COVID vaccines. Anti-vax feeling in the US was induced, incited.

David Frum
@davidfrum
Had the US continued to vaccinate in the summer at the same rate as in the spring, the US would be near herd immunity by now. It took a lot of work by powerful people and institutions to prevent that outcome. It didn't just *happen.* It was *done.*
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PREVENTING herd immunity seems to be the point of powerful right-wing forces & influencers. (Original Post) tblue37 Jul 2021 OP
Hope this gambit blows up in their collective stupid face come voting. StClone Jul 2021 #1
Just think, us like minded probably would barely register BootinUp Jul 2021 #2
I look forward to vaccinated person rage vs the Deplorables to NoMoreRepugs Jul 2021 #3
The Republican backers seem determined to kill off their own voters, an amazing thing in itself. ShazamIam Jul 2021 #4
Republicans and their wealthy conservative backers seem to want to kill off their voters as a ShazamIam Jul 2021 #5
herd immunity - "TFG" SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST TO GO". monkeyman1 Jul 2021 #6
And he damn' nead did. soldierant Jul 2021 #8
I CALL IT -DAMN THE BAD LUCK ! monkeyman1 Jul 2021 #9
Yeah, that works too. soldierant Jul 2021 #22
They want "natural" herd immunity... Wounded Bear Jul 2021 #7
Delta will oblige. LisaL Jul 2021 #20
What's in it for them? Mopar151 Jul 2021 #10
Make Biden look bad. Drive it back up again and then claim he has lost control of the virus. GoodRaisin Jul 2021 #15
What happened to "herd immunity by April"? That was pushed by a couple sources that also fell for, brewens Jul 2021 #11
The big health insurance companies have the most to gain.... Jon King Jul 2021 #12
Like they WANT Democrats to re-mandate masks and lockdowns so that... Beartracks Jul 2021 #13
There wont be another lockdown no matter how bad it gets. Volaris Jul 2021 #16
Who was it said that the only good democratic voter is the one who is dead? Ford_Prefect Jul 2021 #14
Part of the reason TFG lost.. usedtobedemgurl Jul 2021 #17
My brother is a dementia patient, and he's in a full-nursing home FakeNoose Jul 2021 #18
Herd immunity can be achieved through vaccination or the natural way. LisaL Jul 2021 #19
The GQP and their fascist parasite backers want to blame the Dems haele Jul 2021 #21

BootinUp

(47,138 posts)
2. Just think, us like minded probably would barely register
Fri Jul 16, 2021, 11:09 PM
Jul 2021

in a poll. Persuade me if you think otherwise

ShazamIam

(2,570 posts)
5. Republicans and their wealthy conservative backers seem to want to kill off their voters as a
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 12:03 AM
Jul 2021

tool to kill the economy.

 

monkeyman1

(5,109 posts)
6. herd immunity - "TFG" SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST TO GO".
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 12:26 AM
Jul 2021

only the best are supposed to survive ! that can be taken a lot of way's !!

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
20. Delta will oblige.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 10:04 AM
Jul 2021

It's so infectious and we dropped nearly all mitigation practices.
Herd immunity is coming one way or the other.

Mopar151

(9,978 posts)
10. What's in it for them?
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 12:50 AM
Jul 2021

Griftng the unvaccinated? Ghoulish joy? A long position in coffins? Playing for the nihilist vote?

GoodRaisin

(8,921 posts)
15. Make Biden look bad. Drive it back up again and then claim he has lost control of the virus.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 01:40 AM
Jul 2021

They encourage their supporters to not get vaccinated and then blame it Biden.

Yeah, they are fucking evil.

brewens

(13,564 posts)
11. What happened to "herd immunity by April"? That was pushed by a couple sources that also fell for,
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 12:57 AM
Jul 2021

or pushed the hydroxychloroquine scam. I said last spring when they were saying that, that it was a last hail Mary to be able to claim it was all overblown and the shutdowns were a mistake.

If it had all just dwindled to nothing by the end of April before vaccinations could be given the credit, they could have claimed it did what it was gonna do, and nothing could have changed anything much.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
12. The big health insurance companies have the most to gain....
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 12:59 AM
Jul 2021

Health insurance providers want people to pay premiums and not use the services. Killing off many elderly and people with co-morbidity certainly helps their bottom lines.

You wonder if big health care insurance companies are lobbying these Repug politicians. Short term Covid costs the insurance companies a lot, long term it saves them money.

Beartracks

(12,806 posts)
13. Like they WANT Democrats to re-mandate masks and lockdowns so that...
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 01:10 AM
Jul 2021

... they can keep decrying the supposed communism and gubmint overreach, and then try to ride that malarkey to sweet unearned victory in the midterms.

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Volaris

(10,269 posts)
16. There wont be another lockdown no matter how bad it gets.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 05:45 AM
Jul 2021

I'd be fine with an order that says unless 100% of a businesses employees have been vaxxed, that business cannot be open.
Killing themselves isnt painful enough. It's going to take the Free Market telling them to fuck off for it to get through their thick heads.

Ford_Prefect

(7,876 posts)
14. Who was it said that the only good democratic voter is the one who is dead?
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 01:17 AM
Jul 2021

The irony warranty has run on that one.

Now the story will be dead Republicans voting, no?

usedtobedemgurl

(1,134 posts)
17. Part of the reason TFG lost..
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 05:51 AM
Jul 2021

Was the economy. They are hoping this will negatively affect the economy and make us lose seats. If the economy completely crashes, they will point fingers at us. For them, it is OK to kill some of their base, as long as this works for them.

FakeNoose

(32,620 posts)
18. My brother is a dementia patient, and he's in a full-nursing home
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 09:13 AM
Jul 2021

I mention this because my brother is not a Republican AFAIK. I don't think he cares at all for politics, and I know he doesn't watch Faux Noise. He refuses the vaccine, even though he can't give a reason why. He's got dementia and his brain isn't working properly. Those who are caring for my brother are doing a good job, and it seems they are looking out for his best interests.

So my point all along has been, "Why are you even asking him? Just give him the shots! He can't make a decision concerning his own welfare, and he doesn't understand how important it is for him to have the shots. He doesn't know the danger he's in."

Looking ahead long-term, I can see 2 possibilities. Either my brother will end up getting Covid and possibly dying. Or his dementia will progress to the point where he won't object to medications and treatments.

These Repukes are sort of in the same boat as my brother.


LisaL

(44,973 posts)
19. Herd immunity can be achieved through vaccination or the natural way.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 09:47 AM
Jul 2021

Republicans won't prevent herd immunity since un-vaccinated will get infected and get to the herd immunity the natural way (ones who remain alive).
Since we dropped nearly all mitigation efforts (no masks, no social distancing, everything open), herd immunity is going to come one way or the other.

haele

(12,646 posts)
21. The GQP and their fascist parasite backers want to blame the Dems
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 10:18 AM
Jul 2021

For the death and failures they caused by their own greed and inability to govern.
They want to be able to day "I alone can fix this" - to their benefit, not to the country's benefit, but their's alone

America is just a brand name to them, it doesn't really matter what the country actually is as an environment or the people and other life that inhabits it. Certainly the laws and the Constitution mean less than toilet paper to them.

So, what does it matter to the GQP if a million - or 30 million - people die because of their policies? So long as they remain the winning team with all the money...

Haele

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