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NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 01:06 AM Jul 2021

Manchin signals he'll be team player on spending deal

Highly likely to vote yes on next Wednesday's budget resolution vote as well. Awesome news!

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/563323-manchin-signals-hell-be-team-player-on-spending-deal

Sen. Joe Manchin (W.Va.), a crucial centrist vote in the Democratic caucus, is signaling to colleagues that he won’t derail a $3.5 trillion budget resolution that contains many of President Biden’s legislative priorities.

Senate Democrats say Manchin has indicated he will not stand in the way of the measure moving forward and will be generally supportive as long as he’s kept in the loop on his top concerns: how to pay for the bill and a clean energy provision.


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Manchin signals he'll be team player on spending deal (Original Post) NewsCenter28 Jul 2021 OP
LOL n/m BradAllison Jul 2021 #1
I'll believe it when I see it MustLoveBeagles Jul 2021 #2
If you should have learnt anything, it's that Manchin doesn't commit OnDoutside Jul 2021 #10
Don't we need 60 votes for voting rights bill...very unlikely Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #15
Or he agrees to a carve out for voting rights, which he would have to agree to. OnDoutside Jul 2021 #18
I don't disagree but will he and will Sinema agree? Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #20
If the Democratic majority lasts, yes I think that they will. They would OnDoutside Jul 2021 #21
I think the question then will be what will the progressive caucus do? JohnSJ Jul 2021 #3
This came out of Bernie's committee, so the progressive caucus OnDoutside Jul 2021 #11
Pass the bill. The progressive caucus vigorously advocates for its ideas, but the Politicub Jul 2021 #17
For which team? Sedona Jul 2021 #4
Good question, yes. yonder Jul 2021 #5
Post removed Post removed Jul 2021 #8
He won't switch . Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #14
Yeah right vercetti2021 Jul 2021 #6
Count every vote when it has been cast, and not before. RockRaven Jul 2021 #7
all people that believe this raise your hand ! monkeyman1 Jul 2021 #9
I do. OnDoutside Jul 2021 #12
OK, I do Tom Rinaldo Jul 2021 #13
Very thoughtful post. Grown2Hate Jul 2021 #16
We've had to swallow conservative Democratic Senators before Tom Rinaldo Jul 2021 #19

OnDoutside

(19,908 posts)
10. If you should have learnt anything, it's that Manchin doesn't commit
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 08:02 AM
Jul 2021

until he's ready to commit. That's pretty much it on this Bill. The crucial question is the voting rights bill... that's what matters above all

OnDoutside

(19,908 posts)
18. Or he agrees to a carve out for voting rights, which he would have to agree to.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 10:52 AM
Jul 2021

As I have said here many times since Jan 6th, there is no bill more important to democracy in America than a voting rights bill. Nothing. Now Lawrence O'Donnell covered the fact that Big Oil held a fundraiser in Texas for the WV Senator Joe Manchin, we know not only is he in the pocket of Big Pharma, but Big Oil too. If there's a fundraiser for Manchin by McConnell, lose all hope.

OnDoutside

(19,908 posts)
21. If the Democratic majority lasts, yes I think that they will. They would
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 07:33 PM
Jul 2021

be saying goodbye to their own seats if they didn't. However time is not on their side. Plus if Manchin agrees, Sinema would be under massive pressure to agree too.

OnDoutside

(19,908 posts)
11. This came out of Bernie's committee, so the progressive caucus
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 08:03 AM
Jul 2021

is on side...in fact I heard Pramila Jayapal welcome it.

Politicub

(12,163 posts)
17. Pass the bill. The progressive caucus vigorously advocates for its ideas, but the
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 10:42 AM
Jul 2021

members are also pragmatic when it comes to voting.

Response to Sedona (Reply #4)

RockRaven

(14,784 posts)
7. Count every vote when it has been cast, and not before.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 02:32 AM
Jul 2021

That said, it would be Susan-Collins of him (in an extremely minorly amusing way) to tell reporters he's concerned about the climate stuff in the bill, go to TX for a fossil fuel fundraiser, and then come back to DC and vote with the party line anyway...

 

monkeyman1

(5,109 posts)
9. all people that believe this raise your hand !
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 03:57 AM
Jul 2021

like getting hit with falling airplane part's in the middle of I-95 !!

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
13. OK, I do
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 08:36 AM
Jul 2021

Manchin has been pretty open about stating his views and priorities. He is not a secret Republican agent working to bring down Biden, he is a conservative Democrat. He has been a steadfast supporter of the filibuster and has not been shy to say so. He opposed raising the corporate tax rate to 28% as originally proposed by Biden and he said so. He also said he could support raising it to 25% instead, and seemingly that is what the emerging legislation now is proposing.

His "moderate block" of Democratic Senators (2+ members) has been trading "warnings" with the progressive block about what level of expenditures deemed acceptable. Manchin called for 2 or 2.5 Trillion. Sanders wanted 6 Trillion or so. Now the working target is 3.5 Trillion.

While I am displeased, to say the least, with some of the positions and priorities Manchin professes, I have no reason to doubt that is isn't his literal goal to blow up the Biden presidency. He has leverage to back up his bargaining position, but he knows that other Democrats do also. Manchin supports a lot of Biden's economic agenda because it is good for the citizens of his state. As long as his corporate backers are not too directly threatened by such provisions he can back many. That is all part of the push and pull behind the scenes,

Manchin has a voting record much closer to the overall Democratic agenda than does West Virginia's other Republican Senator, even though she is viewed as being more "moderate" than most of the Republican caucus in the Senate. He gives support to Biden in many cases when she does not. Earlier this year I took note of reporting that Manchin was on board with some of the clean energy provisions that Biden was advocating for. Specifically they included sending a boat load of money to states like West Virginia to transition toward clean energy jobs to help displaced miners and the like.

Manchin knows that even the free market so to speak does not support fossil fuel usage over emerging alternative energy souses and that "the handwriting is on the world." But he isn't adverse to milking some more dollars for the fossil fuel complex from the feds targeted for his state and his backers if he can win that concession as the price for his vote. And for simple politics alone, Manchin no doubt cares about the actual language in pending legislation, aside form the actual substance. If the preamble to clauses sounds militantly anti-fossil fuels, that can be used against him by Republicans back home.

Grown2Hate

(2,005 posts)
16. Very thoughtful post.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 10:38 AM
Jul 2021

I'm not a Manchin "fan", but you laid out the reasons why he's important right now. As unfortunate as that is, I too never get the feeling that he'll "jump ship" (he'd have done it by now).

He will hold us hostage on voting rights (and NOTHING is more important than that right now), but SOME of the Biden agenda is better than zero of his agenda (which is where we'd be with Moscow Mitch in charge of the Senate).

It sucks and it's unfortunate, but it's better than the alternative.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
19. We've had to swallow conservative Democratic Senators before
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 10:59 AM
Jul 2021

Men like Evan Bayh, Joe Lieberman, and Max Baucus are why the Affordable Care Act didn't include a Public Option. Conversely their ultimate support was also how it managed to defeat a Republican filibuster without a vote to spare.

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