Boris is f'ing insane

[speak easy]

COVID cases exploding in the UK. July 19 is 'Freedom Day', all COVID restrictions to be lifted.

Covid: UK daily cases pass 50,000 for first time since January
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57867990.amp

Sajid Javid, England’s health secretary, tests positive for Covid
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/sajid-javid-uk-health-secretary-tests-positive-for-covid/ar-AAMghLN

British PM Boris Johnson says COVID restrictions in England will be lifted on July 19 despite sharp rise in cases
https://www.courant.com/coronavirus/ct-aud-nw-england-covid-restrictions-20210712-ls5yilbswbdt7fo3lq6jlddz6q-story.html

[vanlassie]

1. Dumb Eaton Boys should never be in charge of

anything more complicated than a polo game.

[appalachiablue]

2. Boris survived Covid, and now Javid

has it, what's that say. Opening up again disaster.

[speak easy]

4. I wonder if Boris' grey matter took a hit in the hospital,

he had a pretty severe case.

[GoCubsGo]

10. It wouldn't be surprising if that's the case.

It certainly did with his American twin, Donald. Although, with Trump, he has long been showing signs of mental decline from dementia/Alzheimer's and/or untreated syphilis. The COVID just exacerbated it. Boris never looked like the heallhiest sort to begin with, so I'm sure it ravaged his brain, too.

[uponit7771]

5. 69% of UK has been vaccinated why the large uptick tia? Could the UK be testing more than the US?

... if not and these are symptomatic cases from test then they're up shit creek

[LisaL]

6. Delta covid.

Same as in US.
Highly infectious and can break through the vaccines.

[uponit7771]

8. WH says 97% of US citizens in hospitals with covid are unvaxed (link) that report must be referring

... to infections.

My understanding the vax was never meant to be 100% inoculation

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/07/16/press-briefing-by-white-house-covid-19-response-team-and-public-health-officials-45/

[speak easy]

7. One jab is ineffective against Delta. The UK has 53% fully vaccinated.

= half the population is at risk.

[uponit7771]

13. One shot of Moderna is 80% effective against symptomatic CV19

https://www.businessinsider.com/covid-vaccine-one-shot-effectiveness-pfizer-moderna-astrazeneca-vaccines-dose-2021-3

Pfizer and Moderna's vaccines are likely 80% effective against symptomatic COVID-19 after one dose.

[LisaL]

18. That was not delta.

When Moderna and Pfizer did their clinical trials, delta was not yet circulating.

[uponit7771]

25. True, IHM is seeing 64% efficacy against Delta right (link) that leaves 93% effective against ...

... hospitalizations and death.

Still wouldn't want to be infected with this bug, seems like it came straight outtah Trump DNA.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-is-less-effective-against-delta-variant-israeli-data-show-11625572796

[speak easy]

27. The 60% of Israelis are fully vaccinated. 4% are partially vaccinated.

Pfizer's 64% number reflects full vaccination.

[speak easy]

19. One vaccine dose isn't enough to protect against the Delta variant

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-well-does-one-vaccine-dose-work-delta-variant-coronavirus-2021-7?op=1

[Pobeka]

9. Highly infectious for sure, and 70% is not enough.

The 70% target number was developed using the beta (aka original UK) variant's transmission rate.

Delta is abou 1.6 times as infectious as beta was, perhaps more. And yes there are some breakthrough infections which may not help. I'd assume breakthroughs are caught because a vaccinated person becomes symptomatic and takes a test.

While I have no in depth knowledge of the matter, I'd assume if you are vaccinated and symptomatic, you probaly can infect others depending on your level of symptoms.

[uponit7771]

11. Then they're up shit creek seeing the number of infected now is as if there was no vaccine at all

... looking at the last peek infection NUMBER.

There's half the number of people being infected and nearly twice the rate as last year ... that's alarming

[Pobeka]

12. Yep, this is what slammed India. We ignored it.

[LisaL]

17. We (US) are getting there too.

NT

[uponit7771]

20. I don't see us getting anywhere near the same peak infections of 6000 a day of unvaxed which ...

... makes me think the UK is testing more.

Hmmmm, wait ...

The vaxes weren't mean to be inoculation so the infection rate isn't the same has hospitalizations or deaths.

People getting infected is still bad but better than being hospitalized or dying

[LisaL]

24. We had over 50,000 new infections just yesterday.

NT

[uponit7771]

31. Meant to say peak of 300,000 a day, that seems improbable

[Pobeka]

28. Couple of points.

Some states are going to see levels of infections similar to what they had last February (when things peaked after the holiday parties). And that is less than a month away at currrent rates of growth.

The USA as a whole, I dunno. Delta is screaming bad at transmission -- so as pockets of individuals who share the unvax culture (neighborhoods, towns, cities) get hit, it will transmit very quickly.

If everyone of those pockets was hit at the same time, I think it could be as bad for the entire US as last Feb. I thought Florida would only be 35k infections last week but they reported 45k.

[Pobeka]

29. FL alone is now above 6000 a day.

[uponit7771]

32. Which is the number I was originally looking at, Red States are getting screwed

[speak easy]

14. It's only 53% fully vaccinated. Delta breaks through one jab.

[LisaL]

16. It can break through two jabs too.

In Israel decent numbers of vaccinated people are among infected.
Which is why they are starting to give the third jab.

[speak easy]

21. Yes. Estimated 88% effective against symptomatic infections

but 95%+ against hospitalization.

[LisaL]

15. Of course you can infect others if you are vaccinated and infected.

With the original covid, studies showed that Pfizer or Moderna were highly effective in preventing infections.
It looks like efficacy in preventing infections is lower with delta.
So, vaccinated people are getting infected with delta in both Israel and UK.

[Pobeka]

22. I'm a numbers person -- what % of vaccinated people who test positive can infect others?

Even if you become symptomatic with delta, and you are vaccinated, is there a different threshold of infectiousness?

I don't know the answer to that, I suspect some researchers must be looking *hard* at that but as of yet I've seen nothing concrete.

All I know is some vaccinated individuals are getting symptomatic infections with delta.

[joetheman]

23. But think abou it.

Unvaxxed are highly susceptible to original COVID and the variants.

[LisaL]

26. Sure.

I am all for vaccinations, but it's not a magic bullet (especially with new variants like delta circulating).
But we (US) decided that it's back to normal.
Vaccine should be one of the tools, not the only tool.
And by the way I hope we are allowed boosters one of these days (Pfizer showed that third dose increased antibodies 5-10 fold).

[Pobeka]

30. Well, if 100% got vaccinated it would quality as a magic bullet!

The virus would hit so many walls it would peter out (assuming we got nothing worse than the Delta).

But yeah, for sure we should all be wearing masks, social distancing, getting our jabs.

I still do all three.

I'll be first in line for a booster if they become available, which I think they should. We have to stop playing catch-up with this virus and actually get ahead of it.