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I'm not a fan of passengers applauding after a routine landing (Original Post) True Dough Jul 2021 OP
Wow! n/t Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #1
omg Skittles Jul 2021 #2
its called crabbing AllaN01Bear Jul 2021 #3
Moving sideways. sheshe2 Jul 2021 #8
When I took flying lessons many years ago, we had a few situations where we "crabbed", but.... George II Jul 2021 #12
Of course, you weren't flying a highly powered jet (n/t) PJMcK Jul 2021 #15
No, it was a Piper PA-28. George II Jul 2021 #27
Interesting. Nt ecstatic Jul 2021 #14
It was beautifully performed. CentralMass Jul 2021 #30
It takes a bit of skill to crab-land like that. This one's pretty well done. backscatter712 Jul 2021 #41
That was just WOW. underpants Jul 2021 #4
And that's why they get the big bucks. nt Buns_of_Fire Jul 2021 #5
Sadly, that is no longer the case and colorado_ufo Jul 2021 #16
Not bad pay EX500rider Jul 2021 #21
Is it still "yaw" if you mean it? Iggo Jul 2021 #6
It looked to smooth! Dream Girl Jul 2021 #7
I would have been hurling my brains out if I had been on that flight. smirkymonkey Jul 2021 #9
That's me... 2naSalit Jul 2021 #17
If that was my pilot, I'd fly with them to the gates of hell. Enter stage left Jul 2021 #10
But you'd expect the pilot to abort the landing there! True Dough Jul 2021 #24
Well, you're wrong... Enter stage left Jul 2021 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2021 #11
I am for paying the pilot tips on that one Under The Radar Jul 2021 #13
Kudos to the pilot-flying PJMcK Jul 2021 #18
Yep Aviation Pro Jul 2021 #22
I'd be pissed that they didn't redirect the flight elsewhere. zaj Jul 2021 #19
Only one time was I on a flight where we all applauded when we landed... George II Jul 2021 #20
That is some S rank drifting vercetti2021 Jul 2021 #23
If you're flying to or from Puerto Rico, the applause at landing will happen like clockwork. tritsofme Jul 2021 #25
I was on a plane once where one enjine caught on fire....The pilot made an emergency landing Stuart G Jul 2021 #26
Where is Trof on this thread. bottomofthehill Jul 2021 #28
Wow! Incredible! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2021 #29
No way that airplane is at or below its crosswind limitations. Bo Zarts Jul 2021 #31
The clip is apparently from 2018, Disaffected Jul 2021 #34
Probably no way to find out about the pilots' fate, if it is a foreign airline. Bo Zarts Jul 2021 #39
Thanks much for the interesting & Disaffected Jul 2021 #40
Thank you for the information and insight GeoWilliam750 Jul 2021 #44
I've departed from Bristol, but never landed there greenjar_01 Jul 2021 #32
Not new. Clip is from 2018. Grins Jul 2021 #33
If you want an even more harrowing example, Disaffected Jul 2021 #36
it was a 767 that ran out of fuel MerryHolidays Jul 2021 #37
Impressive! The pilot looks like they wouldn't have a problem landing at Keflavik in the winter. GoneOffShore Jul 2021 #38
What a landing! Amazing the way he managed to turn it when he hit the runway. Vinca Jul 2021 #42
I've Been In A Few Rough Landings ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #43

George II

(67,782 posts)
12. When I took flying lessons many years ago, we had a few situations where we "crabbed", but....
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:35 PM
Jul 2021

....it was only maybe 15-20 degrees, nothing like that.

That was amazing. I'm surprised they even tried to land unless they were running out of fuel and no other alternative.

EX500rider

(10,791 posts)
21. Not bad pay
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:46 PM
Jul 2021
Pilot salaries vary according the type of aircraft that they're flying and how long they've been at an airline. The median annual salary for the pilot of a large jet is an impressive $121,408. For a small jet, the median annual salary is $104,219. Non-jet aircraft pilots make significantly less.
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
9. I would have been hurling my brains out if I had been on that flight.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:28 PM
Jul 2021

I hate flying even if it's a decent smooth flight, but if the slightest thing is off, I am a nervous wreck.

2naSalit

(86,292 posts)
17. That's me...
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:39 PM
Jul 2021

I used to fly a lot when I was young, in the seventies, and I enjoyed it but now, I avoid it if I can.

Enter stage left

(3,393 posts)
35. Well, you're wrong...
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 12:48 AM
Jul 2021

my belief has for the last 45 years has been:

I'd like to go to heaven for the scenery, but I'd rather go to hell for the championship.



If you are a believer of DU, I'd probably meet you there.

Response to True Dough (Original post)

PJMcK

(21,985 posts)
18. Kudos to the pilot-flying
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:41 PM
Jul 2021

This type of landing is part of a commercial pilot's training. Crabbing is using the power of th jet engines to counter-act the strength of the crosswind. You can see that when the pilot touches down, (s)he re-aligns the plane in the direction of the runway. Impressive.

The pilot-monitoring must have been very tense.

George II

(67,782 posts)
20. Only one time was I on a flight where we all applauded when we landed...
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:44 PM
Jul 2021

I forget where we were coming from, but we were flying to Dulles near DC. We were in the most violent thunderstorm I ever experienced. We were instructed to fly in circles until the weather calmed down. After about an hour, they decided to head for Richmond to land and wait it out. An hour later we headed out again. It was still very very rough, but the pilot just decided to go ahead and land, even though we were bouncing around like crazy and the wings were flapping like a bird. After crabbing a bit (not as much as that guy) he put the nose down and we landed, very roughly. During the rollout people started clapping and cheering, and on the way off the plane everyone shook his hand or patted him on the back.

A very harrowing experience, one of the worst in 40+ years of traveling.

Stuart G

(38,403 posts)
26. I was on a plane once where one enjine caught on fire....The pilot made an emergency landing
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:17 PM
Jul 2021
in Denver Co. The plane was going from San Diego to Chicago..Yes, it was a total inconvenience, but
I am still around to tell the story... 1983?? not sure. But I remember the incident...I think we saw the smoking
coming out of one jet engine ...

...I do think we applauded when we got safely off the plane..I don't think you forget one like that..Do You?

Bo Zarts

(25,387 posts)
31. No way that airplane is at or below its crosswind limitations.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 12:22 AM
Jul 2021

I’ve got 20,000+ hours flying time - military, corporate, and airline. I cannot imagine ever landing in a crosswind like that. Go around, and head to your alternate.

The captain was either a damn fool, or too low on fuel to land anywhere else.

My guess is that both pilots’ licenses are now in jeopardy.

Disaffected

(4,541 posts)
34. The clip is apparently from 2018,
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 12:47 AM
Jul 2021

so there should be someway now to determine the pilots' fate. Anyone know?

I'm a bit surprised to hear you say that however - there are several instances of such landings IIRC on YouTube and elsewhere so it's not a rarity.

Bo Zarts

(25,387 posts)
39. Probably no way to find out about the pilots' fate, if it is a foreign airline.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 01:12 PM
Jul 2021

And I have seen some of those videos, most of which I watch with disgust. As an airline pilot for a major US carrier, I was also an ALPA-trained (Air Line Pilots Association - AFL/CIO) airline accident invedtigator. I know all too well the results of exeeding the stated operating envelope of an aircraft, be it a Piper J-3 Cub or a Boeing 747.

But back to the issue at hand: crosswind limitations. It is very possible that the tower controllers relayed specious wind info. The wind speed and direction at the tower location is not necessarily the same as what the pilot might encounter at, say, an altitude of 200 feet just off the end of the runway. However, other wind instrument readings - wind speed and direction - are usually available to the controllers (center-field wind, runway approach-end wind, runway departure-end wind, etc). Two things here: 1. today's jetliners have all sorts of real-time wind info displayed on the instrument panel, plus a windsheer warning system that also generates an aural warning ("WINDSHEER! WINDSHEER! WINDSHEER!" ); and 2. If you are at 200 feet altitude (ILS CAT1 minimumus, generally speaking), and you are at a crab angle (crosswind correction angle) that puts you looking at the runway out the co-pilots side (starboard side) window, it is time to execute a go-around for a whole lot of reasons: A. if the wind is the same at ground level, then a safe landing is most likely not possible (that was NOT a safe landing in the video). B. if the wind direction/speed is considerably different at ground level (say 30 knots and 30° different, and that happens), then a dangerous sheer condition probably exists.

To relate all of this to my experiences, I'll abstract a particular landing I made, on a windy day at DCA (Washington National Airport). It was a day that the wind was increasing all morning, as forecast. I was landing a Boeing 737-400 to the north - 360° - and the tower reported the winds as 270° at 29 knots. That's a direct crosswind. The Boeing 737 (all series) has a 30-knot crosswind limitation, which was the case of all swept wing jets that I have flown (IIRC). At 200 feet the IRS display showed the wind at 290° and 35 knots. OK, probably a little sheer, but not dangerous sheer. Just bumpy ride sheer. At 200 feet, with that crosswind (290/35 on the airplane and 270/29 tower-reported), my wind correction angle was nothing like that jet on the video. HAD IT BEEN, I WOULD HAVE EXECUTED A GO-AROUND!.

At 200 feet my co-pilot keyed the mike, as most crews do on windy days, and transmitted two words, "Wind check." The DCA tower answered, "260 at 30." Within limits. But much more important, the situation felt safe to me. There is no way in the world that the pilot in the video "felt safe" during the low part of the approach or the "landing." I used standard crosswind landing techniques and made a rather nice landing considering (it had been a bumpy ride all the way from Boston, and really bumpy on the approach, but all is forgiven with a good landing. Many nice comments as the passengers passed the cockpit getting off at the gate).

As I cleared the runway at DCA, a Delta MD-80 on final called,"Wind check." The tower answered, "270 at 39 gusting 45." Delta, "OK. We are on the go-around. We need clearance to our alternate." The airport was closed.

Here is an interesting aside to this landing anecdote. We were scheduled to fly the same 737 back to Boston, but nothing was flying. The winds were getting upwards of 45 knots. As the co-pilot and I walked through the crowded terminal, headed to the frozen yogurt stand and then on to the crew room (we were DCA based), a man approached us rather briskly. He looked familiar. It was Ralph Nader (this was several years before his run for president, a run that caused Al Gore to lose the 2000 the election). Nader came up, breathlessly, and greeted us with, "Hey guys! How is it up there?"

It was probably my fastest retort ever. In retrospect I'm amazed at my quick wit in that situation. I answered, "Mr. Nader! Hello! It is unsafe at any speed." (I dunno. You might be too young to get it. But Ralph Nader's watershed book of 1965, a book primarily known for its critique of the Chevy Corvair .. but more an exposé of the automotive manufacturing industries' malfeasances .. was titled Unsafe at Any Speed.)



Disaffected

(4,541 posts)
40. Thanks much for the interesting &
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 03:25 PM
Jul 2021

informative discussion - I have a much better appreciation for what is involved with such situations.

BTW, I wish I was too young not to remember Ralph Nader and his seminal book. He was a good guy (but too bad he pooched Al Gore's election chances in the 2000). I sometimes wonder where we all would be now if Gore had won.

Grins

(7,179 posts)
33. Not new. Clip is from 2018.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 12:29 AM
Jul 2021

But it is a real clip.

Winds were 26 with gusts to 40 knots; in MPH that is 29 with gusts at 46. That’s A LOT!

Disaffected

(4,541 posts)
36. If you want an even more harrowing example,
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 12:56 AM
Jul 2021

check out the dramatization of the "Gimli Glider" (a 737 IIRC with both engines out). They did not have a problem with cross winds but were coming in too high and too fast for the only airport within reach, but not so much as to allow a go-around. The pilot, a former glider pilot, used a similar technique to scrub off speed and altitude (I think they called it side slipping or some-such). And, he did it without hydraulic power to the flight control surfaces and some of the instrumentation not working.

ProfessorGAC

(64,795 posts)
43. I've Been In A Few Rough Landings
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 03:56 PM
Jul 2021

But, not like that!
Super windy, torrential rain, on long flights where circling isn't a good option.
Lots of bouncing and twisting and hard impact onto runway, but still not this bad.
BTW: I've never heard a normal landing applauded. And, I've been on more that 1,200 flights.
I'd think it weird for people to applaud a routine landing.

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