An interesting revelation from one of the recent books...

[kentuck]

The White House Counsel, Pat Cippolini, thought Trump could very possibly be arrested for inciting the attack upon our Capitol. They thought it might happen immediately.

But days went by and nothing happened. Trump was holed up in the White House and was making no public comments. He was waiting for the storm to blow over. He did not want to bring attention to himself.

After several weeks, he realized that nobody was going to do anything to him about his role in the attack. He came forward to announce that he would continue his rallies. At last, he felt safe from being arrested.

He was not charged and he became more and more brazen as the days passed.

Until we are where we are today.

[Wounded Bear]

1. That's a bit revisionist...

trump my have laid low for a while, but mostly until his repub syncophants voted not convict on his impeachment.

[kentuck]

2. As I recall, he was pretty quiet for some weeks afterward?

When he saw that he was going to get political cover from McConnell and McCarthy and others, he was back to his old game - divide and conquer.

[Wounded Bear]

11. IMO omitting the fact he was being impeached during that time is providing him cover...

the reason why he was laying low is important. All lawyers tell their criminal defendents to STFU during the trial.

[PatSeg]

27. It is SO rare for Trump to ever shut up

even when his lawyers advise him to do so. I would assume that this time he was really concerned for a short time. That sums up his whole life, pushing things to the limit, coming so close to being held accountable and then squeaking by against all odds. He must think he is somehow magical and can get away with anything.

[kentuck]

28. I think that is accurate.

He was concerned for a short while. Until he found out that the Republican Party was going to stand behind him.

[PatSeg]

29. "I can't believe they STILL support me"

When he made that comment about "Shooting someone on Fifth Ave.", he really was surprised that he could do or say anything and not lose any voters. For him, the possibilities must have seemed endless. A tyrant's dream scenario.

[PaulRevere08]

34. Someone always shows up to bail his ass out of the mess he creates.

First it was his father, then bankruptcy courts, then NBC, then shady bankers, then Putin and now it is the GOP operatives in congress. So while he avoids the consequences and makes enough to leverage his ridiculous image/lifestyle it is the enablers that are the real winners.

[PatSeg]

36. And he believes it is something masterful and brilliant

that he has done. After I wrote that comment, I read a passage of Michael Wolff's book where people in his campaign began to believe that maybe Trump DID have some unexplained power where he could repeatedly beat the odds. That was when the early returns on election night showed Trump in the lead. Apparently they didn't consider that the mail-in votes would come last in most states.

[underpants]

8. Exactly. He completely checked out

I don’t think he was seen after the election for 10 days or so. He came late to this grift. Rudy and Kracken and others were already in the midst of it.

[PatSeg]

37. Wasn't that nice?

I wanted to believe that would be the last of him, but of course, I knew that wasn't possible.

[lastlib]

3. Time to bring the fuck to justice!

Or bring justice to the fuck.

Mr. Garland, GET OFF YOUR ASS and do it!

[FakeNoose]

4. Well who was going to arrest him?

Most of the country believed at that time that a sitting President could not be arrested or charged with a crime. We believed we had to wait until he was out of office.

I recall that very thing being posted repeatedly here on DU and other boards, Chump couldn't be arrested until after Biden was sworn in. We were thinking he'd leave the country - remember? There was all kinds of speculation over that.

[kentuck]

5. He was out of office after January 20th...

...but Merrick Garland was held up until March or April, as I recall? Why were they holding up his appointment?

[Champp]

7. Sad but true

America was forced to eat the abominable and unjust shit sandwich the Republicans and Russians created hand in glove.

[lagomorph777]

10. That needs to be codified in law: The President can be held criminally liable.

The Constitution is already pretty clear on the subject, but somehow, it seems to have been bypassed with a DOJ internal memo. Which seems pretty damned bogus to me.

[rampartc]

12. that memo needs to be repealed or whatever immediately

or better yet, make the repeal effective in 2025 so biden can't be charged with all their bogus bull shit.

[lagomorph777]

14. That would be a start, and wouldn't even require Congressional approval.

[rampartc]

15. a law affirming the president as subject to the law would be nice

and might even pass with biden to sign it.

otherwise the next repub atty gen will just gin up another memo.

btw, no bogus memo protected bill clinton from being deposed under oath by ken starr's minions.

[lagomorph777]

18. Yes - I'll bet even Manchin and Sinema would support it, as long as...

...it expires the minute a Reptilian takes office...

Probably not going to happen until we get a better margin in Congress.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

33. That memo sucks, it's what got us here

Former guys is 100 percent coward.

Garland, freakin do you job !!!!

[malaise]

6. Should still happen

He tried to overthrow the elected President

[Goonch]

9. ;-{)

[kentuck]

13. Unfortunately...

Being an immoral and sick asshole is not a criminal offense. They have to find a crime to charge him with. Inciting an insurrection might be hard to prove in court? I doubt there is a jury in this country that he could not divide. The evidence doesn't mean crap.

[OldBaldy1701E]

26. Exactly.

In fact those are traits that would serve anyone well in the financial arena. Also the political one.

[jaxexpat]

16. These days, the only causes that need fear a threat from the authorities.....

are the righteous ones.

[GusBob]

17. Here's an interesting tid-bit from another book

The awesome book "The Premonition" by Michael Lewis, about a group of people who knew what was happening and going to happen with respects to COVID and what should be done

Long story short, this group was having a conference call during the height of the pandemic ( they were getting quite a following due to their prescience ) someone from Trumps inner circle close to Trump ( I cant remember exactly who) chimed in and starting asking questions. The group was surprised because DT had been such a denier, they were happy to know someone in high power was listening to them.

[Warpy]

19. Arresting him was out of the question, thanks to Barr's bullshit

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so the House impeached him a second time. He became brazen because his corrupt and rotten to the core party wouldn't convict him.

I think he's likely to be charged again at some point, this time by a criminal and not political court. I also think it's not going to happen in the next 3.5 years. It takes time to topple dictators, even failed ones.

[kentuck]

20. "It takes time to topple dictators..."

Let's hope we have the time.

[Warpy]

21. We will, his shtik is tired and his star power is wearing thin

so he's gradually losing support among people who are still on the functional side of the spectrum. He'll always have the crazies in the campers who follow him around like 70s Deadheads, and they are loud and unhinged, but they are few.

It took Chile 30 years to get Pinchet, a decade of sanity chipping away at his remaining support. I don't think it will take than long to get Duymdum, but it won't happen soon.

[world wide wally]

22. At least his next jury will not be made up of a bunch of GOP Senators

[Joinfortmill]

23. There's a lesson here

[kentuck]

24. What do you see as the lesson?

There seems to be a lot of slow learners.

[Evolve Dammit]

25. He is still fomenting violence in his coded method as Michael Cohen laid out. He seems even more

brazen and unhinged. Not that he ever very hinged, IMHO. One sick blob of orange protoplasm with an Abby Normal brain.

[orleans]

30. "Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal."

can't arrest a sitting president (according to republicans when there is a republican in the white house)

[llashram]

31. when, oh when

will this POS and his grifting family be found guilty of anything? I understand the wheels of justice turn oh so very slowly and the investigators and prosecutors are trying to be thorough. Yet why do I have a small, so far, sinking feeling in my gut that this conman and his grifting family will skate? Years and years of theft, cons, grift has not been lost on the POS that was potus. And you better believe he's pulling every trick in his book of being a swindler and business cheat.

[Captain Zero]

40. They are going to screw up, run this to election year and that fool will be screaming

it's political because he is being dragged into court because he is running for president again.
Watch.
Mark my words.

then some prosecutor will say ok well maybe we better not.
and name him as unindicted co-conspirator. some bull shit like that.

I'd bet money.

[llashram]

41. I won't take that bet

this or some similar scenario will happen.

[bucolic_frolic]

32. Who was going to arrest him? Trump's DOJ?

Cippolini is an idiot.

[kentuck]

35. Immediately afterward..

Even the Repubs thought it was very serious. But they grew to love it.

[Nululu]

38. Charles Manson never ordered his followers to murder...

...but still went to prison for murder. Manson created a culture and environment for murder.

Trump ordered his followers to attack the capital, why isn't he in jail for murder?

[Blue Owl]

39. Sins of the Slobfather

Lock him up!