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zuul

(14,624 posts)
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 03:35 PM Jul 2021

Federal Judge: University of Indiana's vaccination policy does not violate the U.S. Constitution

Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1

Federal judge rules: The University of Indiana's new policy requiring that all students, faculty, and staff receive mandatory COVID-19 vaccinations before returning for the fall semester does not violate the U.S. Constitution.



https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/trump-appointed-federal-judge-upholds-indiana-universitys-covid-vaccine-mandate-for-students-and-faculty/

The University of Indiana’s new policy requiring that all students, faculty, and staff receive mandatory COVID-19 vaccinations before returning for the fall semester does not violate the U.S. Constitution, a federal judge ruled on Monday.

“Under guiding principles of federalism, our Constitution preserves the power of the States, within constitutional limits, to adopt laws to provide for public health and safety,” U.S. District Judge Damon R. Leichty, an appointee of Donald Trump, wrote in a lengthy 101-page decision. “Twice the United States Supreme Court has upheld state authority to compel reasonable vaccinations. The States don’t have arbitrary power, but they have discretion to act reasonably in protecting the public’s health.”

The University of Indiana’s new policy requiring that all students, faculty, and staff receive mandatory COVID-19 vaccinations before returning for the fall semester does not violate the U.S. Constitution, a federal judge ruled on Monday.

“Under guiding principles of federalism, our Constitution preserves the power of the States, within constitutional limits, to adopt laws to provide for public health and safety,” U.S. District Judge Damon R. Leichty, an appointee of Donald Trump, wrote in a lengthy 101-page decision. “Twice the United States Supreme Court has upheld state authority to compel reasonable vaccinations. The States don’t have arbitrary power, but they have discretion to act reasonably in protecting the public’s health.”


The judge is a T---p appointee!

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Federal Judge: University of Indiana's vaccination policy does not violate the U.S. Constitution (Original Post) zuul Jul 2021 OP
A little nitpicky, but there is no "University of Indiana" as is it said in the article. Pobeka Jul 2021 #1
Thank you for pointing that out. Metatron Jul 2021 #3
Sloppy reporting. It's IU Bloomington IronLionZion Jul 2021 #8
Thank you Sylvarose Jul 2021 #11
Hah! Thanksgiving back in the days of yore ... Pobeka Jul 2021 #17
As opposed to UI and U of I cab67 Jul 2021 #15
The official name of IU is, in fact, The Indiana University. DavidDvorkin Jul 2021 #25
What's your source of info for that? Pobeka Jul 2021 #27
I remember it from a communication from the university administration DavidDvorkin Jul 2021 #31
Excellent! 👏👏👏👏 SheltieLover Jul 2021 #2
LOL. "Violates the constitution" PSPS Jul 2021 #4
Womp womp. Nt BootinUp Jul 2021 #5
Good malaise Jul 2021 #6
Can we have a National Vaccine Mandate now? abqtommy Jul 2021 #7
What are the chances this goes to the SC..... SergeStorms Jul 2021 #9
Why do we "know it will be overturned" BGBD Jul 2021 #10
They'd Have To Do Legal Gymnastics GB_RN Jul 2021 #12
That's the federal government.... SergeStorms Jul 2021 #20
Irrelevant. GB_RN Jul 2021 #22
You cited the constitution... SergeStorms Jul 2021 #28
The newbies arent a lock vote. oldsoftie Jul 2021 #19
Tennessee doesn't think so. SergeStorms Jul 2021 #21
How many other states? oldsoftie Jul 2021 #23
Just citing an example. SergeStorms Jul 2021 #26
Well with this decision, more colleges may follow oldsoftie Jul 2021 #29
Wouldn't that overturn ALL vaccine mandates, Crunchy Frog Jul 2021 #24
They are free to find another school or job IbogaProject Jul 2021 #13
Holy moly! What's next? I can't allow my pet tiger to roam my neighborhood for food? struggle4progress Jul 2021 #14
Truth is...... MyOwnPeace Jul 2021 #16
Of course it doesnt. Take that, trumpers oldsoftie Jul 2021 #18
But but but the microchip Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2021 #30

Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
1. A little nitpicky, but there is no "University of Indiana" as is it said in the article.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 03:40 PM
Jul 2021

There is:

Indiana University (based in Bloomington)
Indiana State University (based in Terra Haute)

For those Boilermakers like me, there is THE Indiana University -- Purdue University, based in West Lafayette.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
8. Sloppy reporting. It's IU Bloomington
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 04:25 PM
Jul 2021

and if you really want to confuse people, tell them about IUPUI.

Sylvarose

(210 posts)
11. Thank you
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 04:55 PM
Jul 2021

..as an alumnus of Indiana University...I read the article and was like "What??"

And to show my depth of gratitude, I will withhold commentary on Purdoop...I mean Purdue.

Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
17. Hah! Thanksgiving back in the days of yore ...
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 06:10 PM
Jul 2021

... our extended family had about 20 to 30 that would show up. Only three Purdue grads and and about 15 or more IU grads. We had to huddle and defend the old oaken bucket.

I was born in Bloomington, and must say the campus is lovely. I always liked, and still do like the campus and surrounding hills, especially in spring with the dogwood and redbud blooming, and the fall with the leaf colors.

cab67

(2,990 posts)
15. As opposed to UI and U of I
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 05:25 PM
Jul 2021

UI = university of Iowa.
U of I = university of Illinois (usually understood to be the Urbana-Champaign campus).

Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
27. What's your source of info for that?
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 08:32 PM
Jul 2021

I'm curious because I worked for IU for a few summers. I never recieved a check from "The Indiana University".

My father worked at IU for 40 years. Not one single document ever said "The Indiana University", they all said "Indiana University".

The IU history page:

https://www.indiana.edu/about/history.html

Only refers to the official name as "Indiana University".

DavidDvorkin

(19,465 posts)
31. I remember it from a communication from the university administration
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 09:20 PM
Jul 2021

back when I was a student there. But I can't find verification online.

PSPS

(13,577 posts)
4. LOL. "Violates the constitution"
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 03:49 PM
Jul 2021

Sounds like kraken/sovereign citizen nonsense. Why don't they just claim "anything that displeases dear leader is against the constitution" and get it over with?

SergeStorms

(19,148 posts)
9. What are the chances this goes to the SC.....
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 04:31 PM
Jul 2021

where you know it will be overturned?

I'm going to say the odds are 100%, although with the SC in recess until October, it'll be too late for the start of Indiana's school year.

There's no way the conservative packed SC allows this to stay.

GB_RN

(2,322 posts)
12. They'd Have To Do Legal Gymnastics
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 05:02 PM
Jul 2021

That stand make them stand on their heads in order to do so, especially considering that a right wing judge wrote this opinion. The basic argument for this being completely constitutional is right in the preamble:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America”(emphasis mine).

GB_RN

(2,322 posts)
22. Irrelevant.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 06:35 PM
Jul 2021

States have used the General Welfare clause for decades to mandate vaccinations and other public health issues. The same applies here, and the judge found it constitutional.

And the university is a state agency, functioning under the authority of the state, promoting public welfare.

If the judge had invalidated it’s authority, there goes the states’ authority to require school-age kids to have vaccines before entering public school, too.

SergeStorms

(19,148 posts)
28. You cited the constitution...
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 08:34 PM
Jul 2021

all I did was point out that you were mistaken, but some people don't like being informed that they're mistaken. Now it's under the state's aegis to mandate vaccines......

This conversation is irrelevant. I'm not complaining about the judge's decision. I applaud it. Knowing republicans and their penchant for litigation, I'm merely saying we haven't heard the last about this.

Have a wonderful evening.

oldsoftie

(12,486 posts)
19. The newbies arent a lock vote.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 06:16 PM
Jul 2021

They've already pissed off the MAGAs a few times.
This is no different than requiring a measles vax, which i also imagine is required. And by the time it would get to the SCOTUS, the FDA will have given approval, removing another bitch point.

SergeStorms

(19,148 posts)
21. Tennessee doesn't think so.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 06:27 PM
Jul 2021

You might imagine they're required, but the state of Tennessee would disagree with you.

SergeStorms

(19,148 posts)
26. Just citing an example.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 08:23 PM
Jul 2021

You opined that vaccines are mandatory. I just gave you an example that isn't so. I'm not going to go through each state's requirements. You're welcome to though, if it interests you enough.

oldsoftie

(12,486 posts)
29. Well with this decision, more colleges may follow
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 08:40 PM
Jul 2021

And the Court may make the opinion of the State irrelevant

Crunchy Frog

(26,574 posts)
24. Wouldn't that overturn ALL vaccine mandates,
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 08:04 PM
Jul 2021

effectively throwing this country back into the 19th century in terms of public health?

IbogaProject

(2,779 posts)
13. They are free to find another school or job
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 05:13 PM
Jul 2021

There is another "Indiana University" of Pennsylvania. [link:https://iup.edu/ |

The plaintiff has an easy choice comply with the school's rules or not return.

struggle4progress

(118,214 posts)
14. Holy moly! What's next? I can't allow my pet tiger to roam my neighborhood for food?
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 05:13 PM
Jul 2021

I can't manufacture nitroglycerine in my garage? I can't practice shooting my machine-gun in the city park downtown? The country is just going to the dogs!

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