Is ANYONE Paying Attention?

[sheshe2]

McCarthy met with trump again. Insurgency planning and blocking capital funding? Hmm.

McCarthy needs to go.

[MagickMuffin]

1. And written by Lt. Gen. Russel Honor

I hope his military brass are paying attention.

Oh and keep a watchful eye on Mike Flynn's brother.

[czarjak]

2. Nothing beats the babble!

[TreasonousBastard]

3. Thing is, Trump and McCarthy couldn't plan a kid's birthday party, much less a...

revolution. So who cares?

[sheshe2]

5. They sure wrecked havoc on 01/06.

Several dead and Millions of dollars of damage to our capital. Guess who will be paying for that? We the taxpayers.

Looks like they did a pretty good job.

PS if you read the news, we were a very thin line away from a revolution. Very thin line.

[brush]

9. trump didn't plan anything on Jan. 6. He gave a speech,...

said he'd march with the crowd to the Capitol then quickly scurried his ass back to safety in front of a TV to watch what would happen. The crowd marched to the Capitol, succumbed to mob fever and the rest is history.

McCarthy had absolutely nothing to do with it but barricading doors inside the Capitol so the crowds couldn't get at him and all the others.

I have no fear of a repeat in August as the element of surprise is gone and the FBI, DHS and other agencies are monitoring militia/winger communications diligently since the 6th. Its kinda hard to hid arrangements for travel and lodging to DC for 25,000 people without someone noticing.

[sheshe2]

15. Ha.

Love this:

trump didn't plan anything on Jan. 6. He gave a speech,...

said he'd march with the crowd to the Capitol then quickly scurried his ass back to safety in front of a TV to watch what would happen. The crowd marched to the Capitol, succumbed to mob fever and the rest is history.

McCarthy had absolutely nothing to do with it but barricading doors inside the Capitol so the crowds couldn't get at him and all the others.

This!

[TreasonousBastard]

18. Agreed. A few people had to be involved in some planning to get...

everyone there on time...

But, once it started, there was no command sructure or plan. Not even a common goal..

It was simply a mob

[thucythucy]

27. I think the militia contingent--

the Proud Boys and such--the ones who showed up with zip ties and tasers and bear spray--had a plan. I think they fully intended to murder any Democrat or staffer they could get their hands on.

These were the folks who seemed to know at least to some extent their way around the building. And planting pipe bombs at other locations to draw away law enforcement also indicates at least some degree of planning and intent.

That they weren't there in sufficient numbers or weren't competent enough to follow through on the plan doesn't mean there was no planning at all.

I'm hoping though that many if not most of the most dangerous involved--for instance the former servicepeople--have been arrested or gone into hiding. But that is no reason to be complacent about a re-match.

True--law enforcement learned some lessons on January 6th. Then again, it could be so did the instigators of the attempted coup.

[TreasonousBastard]

30. I never suggested the militia types were inept planners, just that the big guys-- TFG and...

his minions and allies are really bad at it.

They did, however, somehow manage to get 75 million votes.

[thucythucy]

34. I think we under estimate these clowns

at our own risk.

Not to get all hyperbolic with the Hitler analogies--but he was pretty much seen as a joke in the immediate aftermath of the Beer Hall Putsch--a silly man in ill fitting pants with a Charlie Chaplin mustache.

Honestly though, the seventy-five million figure is truly frightening, and has me much more worried than the possibility of another coup attempt any time soon.

[TreasonousBastard]

36. Hitler was dealing with the failing Weimar government, the threat of the Soviets on their...

Eastern border, and the remnants of the Depression, which hit them hardest, thanks in large part to the treaty of Paris being excessively punitive. Every German knew about these things and hurt from them. He also had industrialists, like Krups, backing him, figuring they could control him. We have no real threats like that-- we have manufactured threats that most people realize are bullshit when they actually have to deal with them.

I, too, worry about what sort of country this is when a a piece of shit like Trump can actually bullshit his way into the white House. Our system is set up to prevent that from happening. The founders were brilliant, but not time travelers.

[thucythucy]

56. And yet even with all that

Hitler never came close during a free and fair election of ever getting 40% of the vote. He was in fact losing popular support when he was named Chancellor, and got the post only through the machinations of Paul von Hindenburg (the president's right wing son) and General Schleicher.

Trump became president during a time of almost unprecedented national prosperity, with no foreign military threat, certainly no existential threat, anywhere on the horizon. No major economic or military collapse, certainly nothing resembling the loss of a world war or the imposition of a Versaille Treaty. Compared to Weimar Germany of 1933 we were living in wonderful times.

And yet here we are.

[The Mouth]

75. To be pedantic-

The Treaty of Paris gave the Germans much better terms than they intended to impose if they won, as you can see from the royal raping that the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk was.

Versailles was much easier on the Germans than they would have been on the French.

[TreasonousBastard]

76. Probably true, but still, Germany lost and Versailles was an ugly sore that was being poked.

[The Mouth]

78. No doubt. Just saying it was no worse than they were going to do

to France or did to to the Russians, so anytime someone mentions how "Harsh" Versailles was I feel context is needed. The Germans whined and bitched about something not even as bad as they were trying to do.

No one ever has cause to complain of the results of shit they start, in my book; never begin a fight you aren't willing to lose your life (or nation) over.

[thucythucy]

80. True.

Even so, the Versailles Treaty became the convenient scape goat and target for the right wingers (along with the bogus stab in the back conspiracy theory). And the economic provisions--and the way it assigned Germany the sole blame for the war--wasn't terribly helpful. Then too the reparations provisions forced the Weimar Republic to take on massive loans from US bankers, making the German economy hugely dependent on US stability. So when the US market crashed in 1929, it took the German economy right down with it.

Not to mention that the French occupation of the Ruhr wasn't exactly done with kid gloves. That was an understandable outcome, given German destruction of occupied France. But I've recently been reading more about that period. It's difficult to imagine what it must have been like for people living in that time and place. First the war, then the occupation, then an armed upraising by coal miners that was brutally crushed by right wing death squads sent in by the central government, together with the hyperinflation... it's little wonder so many became so radicalized on the both the left and the right.

The sad thing is that the people who often suffer the consequences of their government's crappy behavior are those least responsible. The women and girls of Berlin, who suffered hundreds of thousands of rapes by Soviet troops after April 1945, were hardly members of the Einsatzgruppen laying waste to Ukraine and Belarus. Those who suffered under the French and Belgian occupation of the 1920s weren't the policy makers who decided to launch a preemptive war in 1914.

Just as the people of Belgium, by and large, who suffered under the occupations of 1914-1918 and 1940-1945 weren't the ones committing horrific arocities in "the Belgian Congo." Yet there are some who come close to arguing that German treatment of Belgian civilians was no worse than Belgian treatment of the inhabitants of central Africa. As if one justifies the other, as if the perpetrators are always the ones who suffer the blowback for their crimes.

BTW, I don't mind you being "pedantic"--not that you are in your post. You're informed, is all, and there's certainly nothing wrong with that!

Best wishes.

[The Mouth]

81. Well said, thanks

Every complex event has complex causes.

Sometimes I think Trump was/is Karmic payback for how much the US has fucked over other countries and indigenous nations for the last couple of hundred years.

I mean what we did to Russia when the USSR fell, sticking them with Yeltsin, an alcoholic, mafia controlled kleptocrat, would certainly justify in some minds sticking us with Trump. Payback sucks and, as you point out, it's often generations later that 'the chickens come home to roost'.

Yeah, from what I've read, the German treatment of the Belgians was no where NEAR the Belgian treatment of the Congo (and was arguably the worst crimes of one nation against another people short of absolute, utter, Roman level extermination), but it wasn't King Leopold having *his* thumbs chopped off, it was some poor sucker two generations later

Regards

[RVN VET71]

77. The Founders assumed an educated citizenry.

They did not imagine a population in which 50% of eligible voters would vote for a lying sack of offal and embrace unsubstantiated allegations regarding their better educated and more rational brothers and sisters. Imagine Jefferson, or Washington, or even Burr reacting to 75,000,000 people insisting the opposition eats babies and/or are lizard people from another planet or manages to sneak millions of votes printed by China to steal an election.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

47. Because they own the reich wing propaganda machine.

With that in their pocket, they don’t need planning. They’ve got the talking heads juicing up the rabid idiots, making them ready to do whatever the mango monster suggests.

[calimary]

67. Yeah, no kidding!

Just because they didn’t get “that” far doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen again, OR that they’d give up trying to get to that extreme.

I fear the longer they don’t get their wish or achieve their goals (seeing trump “reinstated” in the White House), the more reckless violence we’re going to see.

[llashram]

84. you are right

public executions, the whole nine yards. They already had shown a propensity for murder... they were looking to overturn this democracy in favour of their fascist, racist matrix of racist hate and death that trump and his 'advisors purposefully agitated with their "big lie".

[MyOwnPeace]

23. I find it rather nave....

to be so willing to brush off TFG's involvement regarding Jan. 6 (he 'only gave a speech?') and McCarthy's involvement (he had 'nothing to do with it..' ).
What have they done since?
Well, TFG has continued the "BIG LIE" and McCarthy has blocked a congressional investigation into the Jan. 6 INSURRECTION, not to mention the continued trips to meet with TFG to get 'blessings or whatever.'
And to have 'no fear' regarding agencies monitoring future activity? There's more than 'a little' evidence that there IS significant evidence of planning, regardless of who was involved - although there appears to be some evidence that some/many of the "Stop-the-Steal" team - Rudy/Gen. Kelly/etc. - may have had some "idea" regarding what happened on Jan. 6 - THE ATTEMPTED COUP!!!

I agree - there won't be a 'surprise' element - but that doesn't mean that the storm isn't forming....

And WE need to be VERY ALERT and WATCHFUL.....

[brush]

28. So the big lie is his plan? Ok, lets give him that.

His fat ass is sitting and griping in Florida one week and New Jersey the next. He's even scared to go to New York as New Yorkers really don't like his ass.

I give you and him the big lie.
Fine, but he can't even tweet it anymore.
Very successful.

And if you don't think the FBI, DHS and other intel agencies are monitering winger militias closely since Jan. 6 online, by cell phone, email, work and residential surveillance, that's being naive.

They're not going to let a Capitol siege happen again.

[kentuck]

68. Remember..

It's the dummy that sells the act.

[llashram]

61. He didn't plan

nor even think his words would agitate thousands of moronic Confederate 2.0 traitors? Who actually after days of trump saying the election was rigged would not react to the incendiary rhetoric from the speeches by the orange menace and his cohorts. No planning of this seditious insurrection and coup attempt? Okay, if you say so...

[brush]

63. Ahhhh. Another one who thinks trump is a genius.

Which is of course why 600k Americans are dead from his brilliant handling of covid, and why he's a one-term loser president spewing "big lie" and thinking he's going to be re-installed into the WH in August. Another one of his great plans.

In case this is needed.

[StarryNite]

65. TFG doesn't have to be a genius.

He only has to be smarter than his idiot followers and that's not hard to do. The average IQ in the US is only 98.

[brush]

66. That's in doubt too IMO. Remember, he's sitting at home...

as a one-term looser. An incumbent president has all the advantages of the bully pulpit of the most powerful person in the world. One has to screw up quite a bit to lose from that position.

And perhaps a miscalculation was made, thinking his supporters were a majority when his popularity never got out of the 40-45% range during his entire admin.

[llashram]

70. genius? No

his advisors were pretty smart to lead trump to that podium on 1/6/21. So they could try to hold on to their power niches carved out of many deaths from purposefully killing many with misinformation on the rising, then, pandemic deaths and sickness Then agitate Insurrection with the "big lie". No, the orange menace was manipulated and helped by many domestic traitors/enemies to our democracy and Constitution. Putin is smart and the orange dummy was manipulated by that Russian leader also. Genius? HELL NO!! Just the right malleable orange POS used by many to further their aims.

So far they have failed. August installation of the orange dummy? No. But they will keep their shrinking base agitated enough to be dangerous to our democracy. The orange puppet and his puppeteer's insurrection fantasies are far from over, politically, domestically.

[brush]

72. Right you are. The manipulators bear watching. But I think...

the FBI, DHS and other intel agencies are doing just that. They now have tons of info about the insurrectionists and the active domestic terrorists among them from their own publicity-seeking hands via the hours of video and photos they uploaded of themselves onto several online platforms.

Our intel agencies have IDed hundreds, if not thousands, of potential terrorists AND THEREFORE THEIR CLOSE CONTACTS TOO. They know who they are and I'm sure they are monitoring their activities closely online, by cell phone tower, probably tracking their physical movements too and who they interact with (other bad actors, be it other active terrorists or even manipulators close to trump or even in Congress). There will be no element of surprise like on Jan. 6.

[suegeo]

71. There has NOT been an investigation

Without an investigation, we won't know who planned what.

The GOP doesn't want an investigation because they know the treason goes all the way up to the top, IMHO.

But to say the puppet is too stupid to plan anything? That's hog wash. Michael Cohen said he was a mob boss. Giving orders and instructions like a mob boss.

Plus, the Russians are in bed with the GOP and both want to bring America down, as well as democracy the world over.

The planning for this could go back decades. Putin plays the long game.

[brush]

73. He wouldn't be in Florida spewing big lie bullshit if he was so smart.

The bully pulpit of the presidency is the most powerful position in the world. It takes a lot of screw-ups to blow that and become a one-term loser.

But please, carry on.

[llashram]

83. Putin and the GOP

play the long game--Atwater-Nixon--'Southern Strategy' was an immediate RW reaction to the Voting and Civil Rights laws passed 1964-65. And the modern racists are no less virulent in their racist hate than a Thurmond or a Wallace before he found Jesus...

[smirkymonkey]

14. +1000

It really amazes me how many people here do not take this seriously. Even incompetent idiots get lucky eventually.

[Rhiannon12866]

49. That should be part of the sentencing for the convicted insurrectionists

They need to also be fined to repay the taxpayers for the millions in damage they caused. Every single one of them!

[llashram]

62. this

keep your powder dry...

[Kid Berwyn]

4. Until they're locked up or deceased, traitors keep trying.

Honore is on to their game.

[bluestarone]

6. Thank God we DO have good people on our side

To Russel Honore'(ret.)

[Champp]

7. The Republicans got their Russian cronies drooling with this Ass Wag

as Republicans continue to piss on America, on honesty, on decency, and even on the Eleven* Commandments.

* Eleven: Thou shalt not be a lying, cheating, corrupt, draft-dodging, treasonous GOP a-hole.

[Patterson]

8. If we have another insurrection, we should have some

executions, not 8-month sentences.

[Ilsa]

13. The leaders need to be expelled from the US, or

someone might need to take one for the team. I can't see our govt recommending executions.

[TreasonousBastard]

32. Russians and Chinese execute-- supposedly, we have gone beyond that.

[woodsprite]

39. Wonder if the gallows used for Surratt, Powell, Herold, and Atzerodt still exist (Smithsonian?). nt

[sheshe2]

41. One was set up in front of our own house.

Capitol Rioters Intended to ‘Capture and Assassinate’ Elected Officials
A stunning filing from federal prosecutors against the man known as ‘QAnon Shaman’ comes as security officials grapple with the historic security breach.

By Paul D. Shinkman

Jan. 15, 2021

[Ligyron]

57. That thing is nothing but a stage prop.

Way too flimsy to even consider hanging anyone from.

[Evolve Dammit]

50. All the artifacts from those events are in a museum under Ford's Theater. Gallows hoods, etc. nt

[SledDriver]

10. We are guaranteed another physical assault on the government

Now that it’s clear there were no consequences for the first one.

[GoCubsGo]

11. I'm glad somebody is pointing this out.

[monkeyman1]

12. nope -won't happen !! this time capital will be locked & loaded ! surprise is gone !!

[sheshe2]

20. Sure.

The walls have been taken down. Capital Police funding: DENIED per the GOP.

Sorry, no we won't be locked and loaded. The GOP will not fund the capital police.

How Congressional Republicans Maneuver Against Funding The Capitol Police For January 6

A highly complex series of maneuvers is occurring in the Congress about the little-known “legislative branch appropriation” which funds operations on Capitol Hill, including the Capitol Police. The issues come from the January 6 insurrection. Congressional Republicans are attempting to hold hostage vital funding for the Capitol Police, by resisting supplemental (extra) funds relating to that day. Congressional Democrats are trying to free up the vitally needed funds to pay the overtime for the police, as well as other funds for hardening the Capitol site against the new attacks. Right now the funding situation is perilous for the Capitol Police.

The situation starts with the Congress passing its spending bill last year to pay for the entire Capitol complex, including the Capitol Police and a projection of their expected overtime. As it was dryly put, Congress did not budget (last summer) for the January 6 insurrection. Who knew? Everything spent on dealing with that insurrection went beyond budgeted-for projections.

But the cost in funding for the Capitol Police was much more than simply what they spent that day. More than 150 Capitol and D.C. Metropolitan Police officers were injured while engaging with rioters. Dozens of officers left the department in the months since the insurrection, while others are still on leave. A Capitol Police officer died after confronting the mob, and two officers died by suicide in the wake of the attack. So the Capitol Police force has had to demand large amounts of overtime from their officers to fill the places of these other officers not on duty for medical and other reasons.


As the Senate Appropriations Chair, Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), said Friday, July 9, “without action the Capitol Police will go without payment for the hours of overtime they have incurred, without proper equipment, and without sufficient mental health services to deal with the continued trauma from that day.” This is not off in the distance. House appropriators noted that the salaries account for the Capitol Police would be exhausted in August.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/charlestiefer/2021/07/09/how-congressional-republicans-maneuver-against-funding-the-capitol-police-for-january-6/?sh=2a89c74d4857

They would be, could be. Yet they will not be funded by the GOP.

[monkeyman1]

25. who said anything about capitol police ? TFG not in charge now !!!

[sheshe2]

26. Isn't he, through his GOP operatives?

[monkeyman1]

33. military will step in so fast now , there not under trump protection!

these clown's don't know who is being watched & who ain't ? keep's them on there toe's ! as usual they don't know what which way is up& they bark at the moon. the republican party has low pre -requirements for I.Q.. just willingness to cheat !!

[sheshe2]

40. We don't know that for a fact.

The GOP is still under the trump thrall.

[Mr.Bill]

16. Congress will be in recess in August.

If they stormed the Capitol and burned it to the ground, Trump would still not be president.

[sheshe2]

42. Not saying he would be.

Yet they could burn it down....or could try.

These people are not sane.

[Kablooie]

17. Oh I hope they do attempt this.

It would finally allow the coffin to be nailed shut.

[vercetti2021]

19. Do it

This time there is nothing stopping the national guard from being sent in and sending yall to the afterlife

[UTUSN]

21. Opposite: His "advice" is disastrous for them.

[keithbvadu2]

22. "It's a revolution" she says.

"It's a revolution" she says.

Link to tweet

[AZ8theist]

44. "We're storming the capital! It's a revolution!"

FUCKING IMBECILES.

NEXT TIME IT WON'T BE JUST MACE, MOTHERFUCKER.

[dweller]

24. And Canada

is opening the border like a week before the 13th …

🤔

✌🏻

[thenelm1]

29. Nothing a few 30 cal or 50 cal machine guns set up in strategic defensible positions won't fix.

Lord knows I hope it never comes to that, but if these jerks want to try that gambit again...screw'em. They should be warned that deadly force is an option. What's the old adage? Fool us once, shame on me, try to fool us again? Fire at will.

[AZ8theist]

45. I hope it doesn't come to that either, but...

A "Tiananmen Square" style massacre may be what's needed to convince the Treasonous Trumptards that the MAJORITY of the United States citizens will fight for the rule of law and the Constitution. Not some IMBECILIC IDIOTIC boot licking of a TREASONOUS reality star criminal ASSHOLE DICTATORSHIP.

I have ZERO FUCKS TO GIVE to these ignorant assholes. You wanna DIE FOR TRUMP???? SERIOUSLY???

YOU WANNA DIE FOR THAT FUCKING STUPID 4TH GRADE TRAITOROUS ASSHOLE???

Go for it. The REAL patriots of America will be waiting.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

48. 👏. 👏. 👏.

[Tommymac]

55. They ARE dying for him now. Denying the vaccine is effective Science is a view that kills.

If you ain't vaccinated YOU are part of the problem.

[Jon King]

31. Storming the Capitol was a one time thing, its rigging elections they are discussing...

Can't fight the last battle, not one of them will come near the Capitol ever again, the police would mow them down before they got near. Capitol police and FBI would relish them to plan another attack, it would be put down in minutes.

Thats old news....what they are planning is how many Repug run legislatures can overturn elections to win the electoral college. That is absolutely their plan.

Can we keep MI, WI, PA out of their hands is the fight now.

[uponit7771]

54. +1, I don't even think they care about the electoral college right now just Congress

... cuz they can control whoever goes into the presidency if they have control of Congress.

The speaker of the House does not have convenient elected official for the Constitution. They can legally choose Trump to be the speaker of the house if they get control of Congress.

[Mr. Evil]

37. If anything is planned you can bet Putin has his sneaky, ratfucking hands all over it.

He's probably already spreading shit-tons of money around for the traitors. The former KGB agent is most likely the source of any republican shitbag potentially involved in anything like what's allegedly being planned. He's trained in ratfucking anything and everything that can be ratfucked. And since republicans love to destroy anything and everything that's good about this country, they are a match from the psychopathic hell they come from.

[AZ8theist]

46. THIS.

+1000000

[hamsterjill]

82. Thank you!

Yes! This!

And Trump may be an idiot. But Putin is not. He operates with specific intent regardless of what he does.

If Gen. Honore is taking notice, I’m not discounting anything.

[YoshidaYui]

38. What is this Republican Deathwish?

Either they want to die by COVID-19 or they want to be shot and killed by police and national guard at the capital or the White House depending on where they end up going. You know, I’ve always said Republicans are assholes. Oh, by the way, fuck you trump you ass!

[Hekate]

43. The fact that this comes from General Honore and not some random DUer lends it great weight

My gods, what does it take?

ETA: Hitler’s Beer Hall Putsch did not succeed on the first try either. Just sayin’

[uponit7771]

52. +1, in Germany's reaction to Hitler was similar to our reaction to Trump in that

... too many people sympathize with them and there was not a level of alarm in consternation that was needed to keep it from happening again.

So instead of violently taking over the government they organized and got into the government and took it over that way

The GQP is doing the exact same thing almost step for step but just quicker and with gerrymandering and voter suppression as their tools to get into the government

[kentuck]

53. I mentioned this the other day in a thread...

The funding for the Capitol Police runs out about August 12th. The Commander in Chief should be consulting with the military, including General Milley. They may not attack the Capitol the next time? They may attack the White House? It is possible. Even paranoids have enemies.

[Whiskeytide]

58. A mob like the Jan 6 Tяцmp insurrectionists cannot ...

... take over our government. They can storm buildings, occupy them and break shit, but what would they do then? Even if they had some logistical planning - which they really don't - it could only go so far without some serious command structure and personnel reinforcements, not to mention advanced weaponry, vehicles and supply chains. It's a fantasy. They envision a 1776 revolution, but in reality it would look more like the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge takeover, just on a larger scale. After a few days the snacks would run out, and most of these assholes would be ready to go home to their recliners.

Tяцmp is a shit stirrer, which by definition means he really has no plan other than to stir shit. He's essentially incompetent at EVERYTHING ... except stirring shit. This not to say people like Flynn and some of the Nazi groups are not dangerous people on a street scale. They are. They can kill people and blow things up. But they are not capable of toppling our government and installing a wannabe dictator. August 13 is going to come and go, and they'll set a new date for the reinstatement, this time for sure - but it will ONLY happen if true patriots send them a check.

The REAL danger is that the republican party is using Tяцmp's popularity with his fans as political capital for their long desired voter suppression initiatives. 2018 and 2020 made them realize that they have to get crackin' on those initiatives NOW if they are going to keep any power at all. That is how this democracy dies - by suffocation, not gunshot wounds.

McCarthy and McConnell (and their ilk) know this. They are blocking the Jan 6 investigation not because they sympathize with the rabble, but because its the worst kind of PR. It stinks, and they don't want the stink on republican officials/politicians in the run up to the 2022 mid-terms.

[toughtony]

59. How Stupid Do You Have To Be

To take advice from a man who couldn't plan a picnic let alone a revolution. What angers me is that we are paying tax dollars to congressmen and women to run our government only to have non-government people tell them what to do. WHY WAS TRUMP LISTENING TO MIKE LINDELL, SEAN HANNITY, RUSH LIMPBAUGH, RUDY GUILLIANI, LAURA INGRAM, AND A HOST OF EVANGELICAL ZEALOTS? Why is McCarthy taking advice from trump? We are not paying for outsiders to run our government. They have no steak in the game, they are just observers. If something goes wrong, they can't be held accountable.

A so-called constitutional expert (an associate of Rudy Giuliani) told trump that he could get mike pence to reject EC electors. He told trump "Yes, you can do this!"

Trump's lawyer pulled the expert aside and asked, "can he really do that?" "I don't know.." said the expert. Trump's lawyer replied, "so why did you tell the president that he could?" And with a straight face the expert told trump's lawyer, "Well, ya never know, it might work, it's worth a shot!". The expert quickly leaves the building.

This is how this nugget of BS got planted in trump's brain. I'm sure dozens of well qualified, knowledgeable advisors, including Mike Pence, told trump he couldn't do it, but then there were dozens more, non-government people, many were Giuliani associates who told him he could. Who do you think he listened to.

[llashram]

60. yep

everyGDD...

[SleeplessinSoCal]

64. I'm paying attention and perplexed by the behavior of two Senators

I wish we had a "Walter Cronkite moment. Bifurcation of the 24/7 news doesn't help to save our democracy. Too many have vilified Dems since 9/11 for not being "patriotic" and then after 2008 because we loved Barack Obama. How dare we vote for a clearly qualified African American! Though had Hillary won in 2008, there would have been a push for a civil war then.

Ignoring popular agendas in order to protect their dark money is more popular with centrists than I could ever have imagined.

One issue that I think needs addressing is what is taught in business school. Is tax evasion in the curriculum? White washing our history is bad enough.

[Joinfortmill]

69. He never stops.

[roamer65]

74. 🦠🦠🦠🦠

Don’t forget me!

I’ll be showing up as well.

Looking forward to it.


Delta.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

79. The FBI should be interviewing his SS detail Asap

shut that trap hole down.