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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI cannot help it. Space missions fill me with joy and hope.
I know all the things. No one has to remind me. But when I was fourteen, and my mothers long, slow death had made me want to die, and the world seemed filled with nothing but hate, a man walked on the moon, and I felt wonder, and thought maybe Id hang around to see how it turned out.
These last few years have been so hard. The world is filled with such hate. Its on full display today, even toward these people who did a new thing, one that even let a woman older than I look back and see us as one thing, one fragile thing that needs its people to unite. But no matter what other things these individuals do, or what people want from them, human beings are still reaching out.
For me, thats still good reason to stick around as long as I can, to see what happens next.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)edhopper
(33,543 posts)upper atmosphere missions?
Happy Hoosier
(7,248 posts)but as I understand it, this flight did go over the Karman line.
nolabear
(41,956 posts)Isn't this what really matters?
Budi
(15,325 posts)The questions by the audience says we are not the only ones encourged & curious as to how it came together & where it may lead.
Totally inspiring & enjoyable morning 👍
Interesting hearing Mr Bezos describe his purpose in this mission.
Bravo...
FarPoint
(12,309 posts)It helped me appreciate the adventure and can see it has promise for our future space missions...
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Eventually, most of our prosperity will come from space. This is a tiny step in that direction.
I remember, in the midst of the Viet Nam war, the Civil Rights struggle and backlash, and a lot of other craziness, the space program was a beacon of hope to this little kid. Space is still inspiring to me, and late in my adulthood, I actually have a fun space-related job.
samnsara
(17,613 posts)..i stood up and clapped for Wally and just watching Oliver..oh my how can one not smile? Hes one lucky boy thats for sure....
Budi
(15,325 posts)nolabear
(41,956 posts)Id aspire to award people myself, and guess I do with my political and charitable donations. Its a widows mite next to this but the civility partI can do that.
Marrah_Goodman
(1,586 posts)I don't love men who made billions by treating others like shit being praised for buying a billion dollar amusement ride.
Happy Hoosier
(7,248 posts)Are these baby steps? Sure.
Neither Virgin Galactic nor Blue Origin are doing what Space-X can do. But these are never-the-less important advances, and they represent humans reaching to do more! That's good!
Budi
(15,325 posts)Btw, Trump hates Bezos' success, as well as RU corrupted Silicon Valley Tech Millionares & Billionares.
Peter Thiel & some Libertarian multi-millionare guy on Fox News.
"Money & Media", baby!!$$$
Happy Hoosier
(7,248 posts)cheaper, easier access to space is an important advance for human kind.
Budi
(15,325 posts)I think it's cool as heck!!
SergeStorms
(19,190 posts)I don't do "social media", an oxymoron if there ever was one.
Billionaires and their money. When there are so many injustices and disparities on the planet we're currently destroying, I see absolutely no reason these rich boys should waste so much to entertain so few.
There's no exploration going on here. It's all vanity, pure and simple. To applaud this colossal waste of money and resources is vanity as well.
And that's my opinion.
Budi
(15,325 posts)There are still believers of that thought today, as well.
You be you, its ok.
SergeStorms
(19,190 posts)but "you be you" as well.
Branson and Bezos didn't discover anything that isnt already known, with the possible exception of how much money billionaires can waste to massage their egos.
We all have our opinions, and I'm sure you know the rest of that old adage.
nolabear
(41,956 posts)I have no idea what the scientists and engineers and others did to make this happen but Im pretty sure there was novelty there that will be useful elsewhere.
FarPoint
(12,309 posts)I look for the positives...we need to expand our boundaries into space...then, we as a global family can appreciate Earth and realize we need to take care of Earth.
mopinko
(70,067 posts)who have pushed technology forward for the last century.
the 1st to build cars, the 1st to build and fly balloons then planes, to have cellphones.
credit where credit is due.
nobody is all bad or all good.
meadowlander
(4,393 posts)We cut all the funding for NASA forty years ago so we could cut taxes for these guys so now, in 2021, they can afford to do what NASA did in 1961.
I'm glad we're doing missions to space again, but let's not pretend we're not standing on the shoulders of (public service) giants here.
BumRushDaShow
(128,699 posts)with what was then Grumman (now Northrop-Grumman) back in the '60s through to the current time.
There weren't some pile of GS-12s sitting in there designing and constructing spacecraft without some non-government involvement. The NASA staff were project managers and engineers working with "private" entities for engineering and construction of multiple vehicles, scientific instruments that could be used in space, and other equipment.
https://www.northropgrumman.com/space/space-legacy/
Even today, NG is one the largest government contractors, including involved with NASA projects.
James Bernstein July 16, 2019
Astronaut Edwin E."Buzz" Aldrin Jr., Lunar Module pilot, is photographed during the Apollo 11 extravehicular activity on the Moon on July 20, 1969. (Photo by Neil Armstrong/NASA Photo)
The vehicle that took a dozen U.S. astronauts to the moon starting a half-century ago would not meet anyones definition of beauty: It looked like a giant grasshopper with bugged-out eyes and spindly legs. But the Apollo Lunar Module, also known as the Apollo Lunar Lander, was arguably the most remarkable vehicle ever built, one that brought glory not only to its manufacturer, Grumman Aerospace Corporation of Bethpage, but to the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and to the United States. The nearly 10-year project to build the LM was among Grummans proudest efforts, and the centerpiece of the companys contribution to Americas space effort.
For the country, the Moon program NASA called it Project Apollo began on May 25, 1961, when President John F. Kennedy proposed before Congress that the U.S. should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to Earth. Those LM days are now taking focus again in the minds of Grummies, as they called themselves, as the anniversary of the first Moon landing in 1969 approaches.
Throughout July, celebrations are scheduled across the country to commemorate one of the most memorable days in world history. Several events are to be held at the Cradle of Aviation Museum in Garden City, which on July 20 will hold an Apollo at 50 Countdown Celebration, including a screening of Neil Armstrongs first steps on the Moon.
Grummies are delighted to recall those days. Everybody was enthusiastic, says Mike Lisa, now 76, of Hicksville, who was an LM environmental test engineer. Our job was to put guys on the Moon, and thats what we did. The work became all consuming at a company accustomed to work and pressure. Grumman signed a $2 billion contract enormous at the time with NASA in 1962. We didnt know anything about a clock, says Sam Koepel, now 90, of Floral Park, who wrote and edited LM specifications. We did everything exactly when the company needed it done.
https://www.longislandpress.com/2019/07/16/long-islanders-recall-leading-role-in-moon-landing/
Budi
(15,325 posts)Jus sayin'...
The convo with the crew a bit ago was inspiring as well 👍
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)There will always be some kooks who can't see straight.
"The idea that the Earth is spherical originated in Ancient Greece, and the oldest reliable sources credit Pythagoras from the 6th century BCE. For seafaring people who navigated by the stars, though, the proof of a spherical world was abundant throughout antiquity.
As travellers sailed south, they saw constellations rising higher above the horizon. During a lunar eclipse, they could trace the circular shape of the Earths shadow on the Moon."
https://www.howitworksdaily.com/who-first-discovered-the-world-was-round/
At least by the 3rd century BCE, Eratosthenes measured the Earth's size with (possibly) 2% accuracy.
"A versatile scholar, Eratosthenes of Cyrene lived approximately 275-195 BC. He was the first to estimate accurately the diameter of the earth. For several decades, he served as the director of the famous library in Alexandria. He was highly regarded in the ancient world, but unfortunately only fragments of his writing have survived."
https://www.math.utah.edu/~alfeld/Eratosthenes.html
Budi
(15,325 posts)I like what took place today, & as Bezos said, the findings that will come from this early mission as future generations study it.
That is how it's done.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)I think the New Shepard mission is inspiring, but it hardly breaks any news about the shape of the Earth. I don't think that was the purpose.
tulipsandroses
(5,122 posts)I see it as the dawn of a new era. 100 years ago, at the dawn of air travel, a ticket cost about $400, that would be about $14,000today.
Most of us dont think twice about getting on an airplane and the cost is now affordable for most.
There are legit conversations to be had about regulations and safety and other concerns, it shouldnt take away from the accomplishments of the people behind the scenes as well as even the owners. Bransons earlier efforts resulted in tragedy. Bezos has been working on this for many years.
Many things can be true at the same time. After years of listening to right wing anti intellectual nonsense, its nice to put the spotlight on science and technology.
Martin Eden
(12,858 posts)Billionaire joy rides, notsomuch.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)There is nothing wrong with supporting space research. Myself, I would love to see mankind walking on Mars in my lifetime.
SergeStorms
(19,190 posts)Branson and Bezos did anything to support space research? Supporting the ultimate thrill ride, perhaps.
NASA has forgotten more about space research then Branson and Bezos will ever discover.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Its an improvement. Now do Musk & the rest of them. Thanks
Best get started comparing bilionare evil-deeds, there are A LOT of them.
Start here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215641473
SergeStorms
(19,190 posts)just more ego masturbation. They've run out of things to buy and destroy here on earth, so they're moving on to a different venue.
I guess solving hunger, global warming etc. wouldn't give them the same thrill, huh?
I'm through with this inane dispute. If you feel the need to continue, have at it.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Cuba, China, Russia, Latin Am, Arab nations etc...
They'll let their own people starve & suffer oppression while living large at the top.
Bezos is one man. Not an entire Governing body.
His philantropy is notably humanitarian as well as educationally futuristic, for those who see it as well.
There are far more actual corrupt billionares in this world to rip on. Bezos is not one of them.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)NASA will contract with both so their research and development will have real world benefits.
nolabear
(41,956 posts)brooklynite
(94,452 posts)(an acquaintance of mine was the Congresswoman for the Space Coast area).
Sadly, the flight was rescheduled three times and then scrubbed during the week we were in Florida.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)exploration & travel. What I am against is living in a country with the worst social & economic inequality on Earth.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Cuba, China, Russia, Latin Am, Arab nations etc...
They'll let their own people starve & suffer oppression while living large at the top.
Bezos is one man. Not an entire Governing body.
His philantropy is notably humanitarian as well as educationally futuristic, for those who see it as well.
There are far more actual corrupt billionares in this world to rip on. Bezos is not one of them.
EX500rider
(10,829 posts)Based on the most recent Gini index estimated from the World Bank, the five most unequal countries, in terms of wealth, are:
South Africa (.634)
Namibia (.610)
Haiti (.608)
Botswana (.605)
Central African Republic (.562)
The US appears to be ranked 54th
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality
MiguelF
(7 posts)I would rather see the effort and money put into preserving this planet and the oceans.
Hekate
(90,616 posts)nolabear
(41,956 posts)And I respect differing opinions. I find the snark that comes from expertise that may really not be expertise disheartening. And, as it was with that disheartened kid in 1969, I think its toxic. Literally.
Calculating
(2,955 posts)That's my issue...
BumRushDaShow
(128,699 posts)1/2 your age back then.... But I had a dad who just a few years earlier had taken me outside one night, pointed up to the star configuration that forms the Big Dipper, then brought me back inside to the kitchen, opened a drawer, pulled out a metal dipper, and said "This fell out of the sky".
This was me --
And that did it for a lifetime.
I know I got my thread shit all over and when looking for something else in a search, I discovered another billionaire I had forgotten about - M$'s former co-founder Paul Allen (now deceased) - who funded a whole radiotelescope array for SETI, and his philathropies have apparently partnered with NOAA to deploy ocean instruments to monitor the ocean conditions, which inturn impact the global weather patterns. And before Musk, Branson, and Bezos, Allen had been involved in SpaceShipOne (which launched 17 years ago) -
So the 3 more recent billionaires actually followed the footsteps of billionaire Allen for the "commercial" spacecraft that have been deployed recently.
IMHO, as exploitative as all of them have been, when compared to the Kochs and Mercers and Waltons, who have spent and continue to spend, hundreds of millions to "own the libs", any in that class who have actually put money into some STEM venture, distinguishes them from the RW ilk.
nolabear
(41,956 posts)We had a practice lunar lander, one of the space backup suits that were part of the Program, an actual moon rock that I actually held (well, encased in lucite), and a couple of things that had been taken up for studentsI honestly dont recall what. We also had the Enos craft. And (this was all at the NC Museum of Life and Science where I ran the wildlife rehab program) I got to meet Ham, whod retired at the NC Zoo. It was like meeting royalty. Hed been introduced to the chimp population and did pretty well there, though he was a very old man and died just a few years later.
So yes, I believe. I always have.
BumRushDaShow
(128,699 posts)I was on a work trip (I am a retired fed) where a bunch of my coworkers nationwide had a meeting in Texas. And at the end of that week, those of us staying over that Friday night to leave Saturday morning, drove up to Houston that Friday afternoon to visit the Johnson Space Center. And had it not been for the fact that a shuttle had actually been deployed and was doing a mission, we would have gone on the tour inside Mission Control (access was closed). But the Visitor's Center/museum and grounds were fantastic and even being able to see the little monitors they had around showing the shuttle activities, really made the trip enjoyable (given it was like 96 degrees and a million degrees humidity outside but cool inside).
I know since then, there have been many vehicles brought there for display and the facility has been renovated. But it was still a thrill to be at the location where the "heartbeat" of the space program resided.
nolabear
(41,956 posts)I lived near there (New Orleans East) for a little while and it was a big box you could see for miles in that vast lowland. I was told they gave tours but never got to go.
BumRushDaShow
(128,699 posts)was that they had some monitors that were running a loop of the trailer for the movie "Twister" that had just come out around the time we were there. And as a weather hobbyist, it was icing on the cake to see that someone was actually releasing what would be a blockbuster weather-related movie (that eventually became my favorite for the subject).
Since we were only there a couple hours and the place closed at 6, we opted to go to one of their films being shown in the IMAX theater at the complex. It was my first time in one and boy oh boy. I forgot what documentary thing they showed but being up close and personal with that huge screen was wild. They have since renovated and upgraded that too.
Person of Interest
(365 posts)In get the same chills I got a little kid watching the moon landings in the early '70s!!
DavidDvorkin
(19,473 posts)Same here.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,982 posts)nolabear
(41,956 posts)Another great sci-fi writer whose misogyny was rampant, but he still told one hell of a story, and shaped me in many ways. Heck, his female characters might have had the mark of being written clumsily but there WERE female characters, and powerful ones.
station agent
(385 posts)became an ego trip and massive redistribution of wealth among oligarchs hoarding wealth.
I like space too though.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)People like Bezos and Branson are just two of many movers and shakers who've brought us to this. It's understandable that those who imagine it's just about a couple of over-wealthy showoffs would be dispirited and downhearted. (What a dreary, dismal thought!) But it's not.
For better and worse, and no doubt the future we don't yet see, even as it's unfolding, will have plenty of both, it's about US.