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https://www.unilad.co.uk/celebrity/people-slam-celebrity-preacher-joel-osteen-after-seeing-his-latest-luxury-purchase/People Slam Celebrity Preacher Joel Osteen After Seeing His Latest Luxury Purchase
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People Slam Celebrity Preacher Joel Osteen After Seeing His Latest Luxury Purchase
Celebrity preacher Joel Osteen has come under fire after social media users spotted pictures of his flashy new purchase.
The pastor is known to be one of the wealthiest and most popular in the United States, having claimed on his website to reach as many as 200 million homes across the country through platforms such as broadcasts and podcasts.
Osteen heads the Lakewood Church, a megachurch located in Houston, Texas, after being thrust into full-time leadership when his father passed away in 1999.
While pastors are not typically people we associate with flashiness, Osteens wealth was made evident in images that showed his new Ferrari which reportedly cost $325,000.
Twitter users were quick to slam the purchase online, with one person claiming the preacher exploits religion and his followers to feed his own gluttony.
Another Twitter user wrote: Ferrari is trending. That means either someone won a race or Joel Osteen took some of the money Jesus told him to give to the poor and went on another shopping spree.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)I'm not defending JO in general but he has TONS AND TONS of his 'own' money, he wouldn't need to use church funds.
Bucky
(53,998 posts)mopinko
(70,086 posts)or does he funnel it through his tax shelter, i mean church.
Bucky
(53,998 posts)He's a heroic job creator, that one.
Mostly jobs in the Italian luxury car and tailoring industries, but at heroic levels
malaise
(268,949 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,325 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)The more you have, the more god has blessed you.
Isn't that how prosperity gospel works? That's the selling point anyway.
And how do you show you're a good christian?
By sending money to Osteen so he can be blessed by god with a Ferrari.
Sure, it's disgusting.
But apparently a lot of people have bought into it.
PortTack
(32,757 posts)Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)These televangelists are all so sickening. I cannot understand for the life of me why people give them money. They are all such hucksters.
YoshidaYui
(41,831 posts)God himself came down and brought this car for him. Its a miracle. Imagine that, God himself brought this car for him!
Tadpole Raisin
(972 posts)televangelist preacher who lives in luxury, lol!!
Did we learn nothing from Jim and Tammy Faye Baker oh so many decades ago?
Dont answer that
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)He's still got too much money, though.
woodsprite
(11,911 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)Goonch
(3,607 posts)Vinca
(50,267 posts)Tadpole Raisin
(972 posts)of Hotel California. Greed, gluttony, avarice.
Totally RW
keithbvadu2
(36,778 posts)dalton99a
(81,455 posts)Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)Damn
That's no big deal, but they're upset about a damn car? He's been living there for years, and they had no problem forking their money over to him to buy and maintain that spread. Are they finally waking the hell up?
Champp
(2,114 posts)SAVE ME from Republicans and their vile, fake "christianity"
Bucky
(53,998 posts)Trump actively pursued Osteen from the second he entered the race and throughout his four-year train wreck. But Osteen has not shared a venue or hinted at an endorsement of Trump, no matter how slavishly Bone Spurs begged for his endorsement.
They may share a deep devotion to the worship of the Almighty Dollar, but to his credit, Osteen is a relentlessly positive and uplifting figure who would never endorse racial intolerance, denigrate the working poor, or spread malicious lies in an attempt to overturn an election or kill off his enemies.
I'm no fan of the guy, but he's only shallow and materialistic, not a fascist. It's a mild hypocrisy he espouses and I kind of think in his heart of hearts he really does want everyone to just do well financially. He's not even remotely Christian in any serious theological sense.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,366 posts)That asshole bought a former Marine Corps Air Station so he would have his own runway to land his jets.
Yes
J E T S as in more than one
Tax. The. Fucking. Churches.
AverageOldGuy
(1,523 posts)I apologize to A HERETIC I AM for having a bit of doubt about the claim of Kenneth Copeland buying a former Marine Corps Air Station so he could use the runway for his jets.
IT'S TRUE!!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Copeland_Airport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Corps_Air_Station_Eagle_Mountain_Lake
https://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article195841759.html
Excuse me while I puke.
Bucky
(53,998 posts)Apparently Christians ain't so much with throwing the money changers out of the temple these days.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)when will his followers wake up?
Bucky
(53,998 posts)He dwells in positivity and material comforts, which while being nearly the exact opposite of Jesus, is not a horrible or dehumanizing doctrine to teach. It's not a Christian doctrine at all, but he's not preaching hate. They are getting something out of his spiritual snake oil.
tavernier
(12,381 posts)As a Christian myself I havent seen the trickle down because I believe in God but despise organized religion.
It is kind of of interesting to see how much his face resembles that of a camel. Wonder how he will glide through the eye of that old proverbial needle.
Mysterian
(4,585 posts)we're just jealous if we condemn Osteen's wealth.
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)Here
keithbvadu2
(36,778 posts)Judas was an early, modern-day, conservative disciple.
Judas got 30 pieces of silver, but just once, for selling Christ.
Franklin Graham, Joel Osteen, Pat Robertson, and their ilk get millions of dollars repeatedly for selling Christ.
Judas was a fool for doing a one-time sale.
Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)That's not to say Osteen isn't a snake oiling shit heel, because he is.
But this is what I mean about Twitter. Totally false bit of information. Spreads everywhere. No one checks.
Why? Suits our purposes to pretend it's true.
Social media are the worst.
Demovictory9
(32,449 posts)Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)It was everywhere before you ever posted it, and as you said, it was on many reputable websites.
You'd think the websites would've at least checked.
crickets
(25,963 posts)kcr
(15,315 posts)Whether or not that specific car is his makes not one bit of difference.
spanone
(135,827 posts)musette_sf
(10,200 posts)I was no fan of the old man, but John Osteen wasn't the one who bought the Summit and turned it into Mondo Jeebus. It seems obvious to me that Joel was champing at the bit to take over "leadership" from Dad. "thrust" my @ss.
Bucky
(53,998 posts)I knew he was a nutcase, but I had a lot of respect for him. In the 60s and 70s in Houston he was hated, hated for operating a racially integrated fundamentalist church. He and his daughter were injured when someone mailed him a bomb once.
My recollection is that the article's right. When Osteen senior passed on, everyone was expecting his daughter to pick up the mantle, because she had been working there, had the ministry training, had been preaching behind the pulpit there, and seemed to be the natural heir.
I'd have to look it up, but my impression is that she actually did run the church for a couple months until Joel lept in.
Anyway, I have a Chiti Adagonye moment when someone points out what a sharp hypersuccessful millionaire Joel Osteen is from promoting his unJesus-like Prosperity Gospel message.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... but the "Christians gotta be dirt poor" ignorance is gob smacking no?
tia
Bucky
(53,998 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 23, 2021, 07:35 AM - Edit history (1)
But it's a fundamental perversion of Christianity. If you're making millions and buying Italian sports cars to assage your midlife crisis, you're not living your life in an "imitation of Christ."
I mean, I'll cut him some slack. He's not preaching hatred and intolerance and contempt for the poor and less fortunate, like other mega church and broadcast "Christian pastors" do.
But he's wasting a prominent platform that can do a lot of good and he's actively distorting the purpose of living a spiritually connected life.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... says he can't own an Italian car company and still be a great believing bishop, pastor etc?
In the bible there were powerful women, rich males, influential children and very well off spiritual leaders and some that weren't well off at all.
JC made the point the material shouldn't own the person, if that's Olsteens life then good if not he has some work to do
Non Christians or Christians who don't read the bible tend to make up boundaries for people that JC didn't claim existed for everyone.
Bucky
(53,998 posts)Although, for the record, Jesus didn't have a lot of nice things to say to most of the Italians he met.
But while Jesus certainly never turned away any wealthy converts--both Lazarus and Mary Magdalene came from well to do families--he is quite explicit in the Bible about the role that the pursuit of wealth plays in our spiritual lives.
There's the camel through the eye of the needle; there's the parable of the widow with the two talents; there's the directive on the "deceitfulness of riches" in Mark. I don't know if Christ talked about anything more often than the corruption that comes with seeking excessive income
But most relevantly, there's the example of Jesus driving out the money lenders from the temple. It's pretty clear where Jesus of Nazareth stood on people leveraging religion to pursue the accumulation of gold.
I don't begrudge Joel Osteen any of the money he earns by running a big church and selling a lot of merch. But I do wish he'd be honest and own up that he's worshiping Mammon and just calling him "Jesus".
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)"Pursuit" here is lust after like Trump who errors on the side of doing the wrong thing for money every single damn time he can.
One can pen a book in free time and get money and have a balanced life, Obama did it .. if Obama had 23 books he'd have more than Olsteen's money.
There's the camel through the eye of the needle;
That's not a metaphor,
The Eye Of The Needle was an actual gate that camels could EASILY pass through it but the camels baggage had to be separated at night. At first it was a winding passage, to your point being a rich believer is harder but people can strike their own balance.
Again, the point is not to make the possessions own the believer not to have no possessions or even a lot at all.
https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-25583,00.html
When i was at school one of the masters, a devout Christian, was given to explain aspects of the bible to doubters like myself. His explanation of Jesus's parable implied that a rich man wanting to enter the Kingdom of Heaven had to unload a lot of baggage, like a camel going through the "Eye of the Needle" gate in Jerusalem
I think the balance being struck in the preaching of "prosperity gospel" now in the US bears these theme out; some Christian leaders are focusing more on spiritual actualization via purpose and not conflating money with that concept any longer.
There are some rich and listless people who believe in higher beings
Bucky
(53,998 posts)The whole point of a parable is to say two things at once and point your audience towards some analytical thought and personal wisdom. So yes, he was making a play on words with "the eye of a0 needle". He was making a social reference to a nearby landmark.
But what he says in Matthew 19 is literally, explicitly, incontrovertibly a metaphor. He was being witty, which is a critical skill in the teachings of the Jewish wisdom literature tradition.
Jesus answered, If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.
When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
Then Jesus said to his disciples, Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.
-- Matthew 19:21-24
twin_ghost
(435 posts)Osteen has made millions of dollars from the sale of books, audios and videos that he made independently of the church he is a pastor of. So he bought the car with his own money.
Bucky
(53,998 posts)The books he sold was based on him having a congregation and honing his Prosperity Gospel message there. The books were sold to his congregants, both televised and in person. The books he wrote and sold is essentially merchandising his spiritual leadership branch.
Just like the real money in the GI Joe cartoons is not in the audience, it's in the merch they sell. That's where the markup is; that's where the profit is. The Simpsons ratings are pretty weak compared to other shows. They don't command the sort of ad revenues that they could 15 to 20 years ago. But you got to keep putting on the cartoon show to legitimize the merchandise. The Joel Osteen cartoon show is using the same business model.
onetexan
(13,036 posts)These televangelists are scam artists scamming low income & retirees of their money.