Six of my family members have breakthrough infections. All are recovering.

[bluesbassman]

First infection was apparently acquired at work. She and her husband had received J&J vaccine. Husband travelled to another state while asymptomatic for a visit and infected the four other family members, of which two had received Moderna and two Pfiser. One of the Moderna recipients is 85 with COPD, and while the first couple of days were rough, no hospitalization and has recovered well.

Bottom line is six vaccinated people got infected and most got sick, but they all survived. Hate to think what could’ve happened had any of them not been vaccinated.

Be safe out there.

[Tadpole Raisin]

1. Sorry to hear this

Glad they are all on the mend!! Very serious situation, hospitalized or not. The data trickling in is of concern!

Do they know if this was the Delta variant?

[bluesbassman]

3. Thanks. No word on if it was Delta variant.

Not sure why they weren’t informed one way or the other.

[LisaL]

5. Extra tests are needed to determine which variant it is.

NT

[SheltieLover]

9. Because they are fully vaxed & not hospitalized or dead, thankfully!

CDC ...

I am so sorry your family is ill. I'm so glad they are all recovering nicely! That had to be scary!

Did the person who contracted it at work wear an N-95 mask at work?

Those are the only ones that work with delta, per Dr. Ding! Cloth masks are no longer good enough.

Tyvm for sharing your family's experience!

[LisaL]

13. No masks at all were worn at work would be my guess- since we are being told

vaccinated people don't need masks.
Which I think is bogus since there are many examples of delta breaking through the vaccines.

[Skittles]

48. local news article I read yesterday

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/delta-variant-you-get-covid-19-will-you-know-its-the-delta-variant-why-you-likely-wont/287-205dd35b-086b-4ced-9bfb-96d98fff83fe

[LisaL]

2. We need boosters.

Especially J&J recipients.
How long is CDC going to drag its feet?

[janterry]

7. I posted a link to the J&J pre-print study yesterday

that suggested J&J had low efficacy.

the overall n was 27. Only 10 had the J&J. The other 17 had mRNA vaccines

I don't know how you can generalize that data to any population at this point. Why isn't the CDC funding large(r) scale research?

[LisaL]

8. The number of experiments is what you would expect from a biochemical study.

I think Pfizer or Moderna booster should work very well with J&J (based on AstraZeneca study which showed that Pfizer booster worked really well). The sooner this is done, the better. I don't appreciate CDC claiming we don't need boosters, when delta is clearly breaking through the vaccines.

[janterry]

10. oh, I had no idea

ty

while you're here - do you know of any research about long-term vaccine side effects (I did have the J&J and have intermittent throbbing and aching RIGHT at the site of the vaccine. It's annoying, not painful. But I had the shot well over 2 months ago and I'd like some level of understanding.....

I've been searching around and can only find more alarming side effect studies.

[LisaL]

11. I am not aware of any research showing long-term vaccine side effects.

If something is bugging you could you discuss it with your doctor?
I had Modernas and my side effects resolved after one day.

[janterry]

12. yea, I don't think there is much out there

I don't think an MD at this point could give me more clarity because the research isn't there (or isn't disseminated) .

Might have something to do with the spiked protein itself (I suspect that's what needs study).

I'll keep watching the literature......

[LisaL]

14. By the way that study on J&J also had Pfizer and Moderna data.

Looks like Pfizer and Moderna behave very similarly to each other against variants.

[Quakerfriend]

15. This is known to occur in some & is considered 'delayed hypersensitivity'

to the vaccine. They say this is not considered a real side effect and would not preclude getting a booster, if needed in the future.

I had a similar reaction that eventually resolved 2 months after receiving my second shot.

[janterry]

38. Well. I'm waiting for some resolution

I'm pretty patient and very tolerant of pain and discomfort (this is just discomfort - and it's minor).

But it's been more than 2 months now (by a few days, I think). And I can still feel it

[flying_wahini]

20. Sorry to butt in but having recurrent swelling at the site is very common and

Can come and go as your immune system kicks in.

An article (months ago) I read said that because some of the viral strands are wrapped in
Something with a heavier/density they are designed to have slow timed release action.

When I discussed it with my Dr. she said consider yourself lucky.
It means you have a robust Immune system.

[janterry]

39. well, that's one hypothesis

let's hope that is correct

[oldsoftie]

30. By "more alarming", do you mean long term or when you get it?

Because theres a BIG difference!

[janterry]

37. There are known vaccine reactions that cause

serious dysfunction in range of motion (among other things). I do not have that. I just have a persistent awareness of the site of the shot, some throbbing. It's not a 'serious' reaction in that I am not compromised in my daily function. It might simply be that he delivered the shot to the muscle? I'm not sure since the sensation does not extend beyond the site of the shot (not much, anyway).

But it does not remit and I find it concerning that I cannot explain the fact that it persists.

[womanofthehills]

60. It's called SIRVA - vaccine given too high on arm

Search the web - lots of info on it - many got it from flu vaccine being injected wrong. It happens when needle goes too deep into deltoid muscle.

[NH Ethylene]

46. You can look on VAERS, the report site for side effects.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/

And in fact you can submit a report for your issue. Anybody can, not just physicians. I submitted a report for a problem I had after the Moderna (which was probably unrelated, but they won't know unless they get the reports and see patterns).

[womanofthehills]

59. It's hard to search VAERS - there are sites that make entry into VAERS easier

Sites that electronically put the info together to make it easier to access. Every Friday the new VAERS stats come out.

[womanofthehills]

58. You could have SIRVA - Vax given too high on arm

“In patients who experience SIRVA, months may pass by, and patients will still complain of increasing pain, weakness, and impaired mobility in the injected arm. Simple actions like lifting your arm to brush your teeth can cause pain,” said Grindrod. “It’s important that we learn to recognize these signs of SIRVA so that we can access appropriate treatment.”

She pointed out that an ultrasound scan is necessary to diagnose SIRVA and determine the level and type of damage. Treatment usually includes a corticosteroid injection to the shoulder or physiotherapy.


https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/avoiding-shoulder-injury-when-administering-vaccines#:~:text=Shoulder%20injury%20related%20to%20vaccine%20administration%20%28SIRVA%29%20is,the%20deltoid%20muscle%2C%20according%20to%20a%20new%20study.

[janterry]

64. Looking into it now

I had kind of ruled that out (it didn't quite sound like what I was experiencing because it was so localized). But it might be that I am wrong. Sifting through some of the literature now. TY

[oldsoftie]

16. But thats only 1 study out of many

Not to mention, it may not be so easy to just come up with a booster

[LisaL]

17. Booster can be a dose of regular Moderna or Pfizer.

No need to come up with anything.

[CaptainTruth]

24. Studies show J&J gets to 95+% efficacy about 65 days after the shot.

That's just as good as Moderna or Pfizer, it just takes 65 days to get there. There are studies showing "low efficacy" for J&J at shorter periods of time, like 30 days after the shot, but they don't represent the final effectiveness at 60+ days, & I've seen that confuse a lot of people.

[Ms. Toad]

33. Link, please.

I have not seen anything that even suggests that J&I comes close to the mRNA vaccines.

[Crowman2009]

4. That being said, everybody keep wearing your masks!

I'm not taking any chances even though I've been vaccinated. I also take supplements and use hand sanitizer along with all that.

[wnylib]

63. Same here. I get strange looks

in my community, where I am usually the only person in a public place, like a store or the library, who is wearing a mask. A couple times in the checkout line at stores, people have intentionally crowded so close to me that any closer and they'd be inside my clothes. When I asked them to back up, they laughed and said, "You don't need a mask any more." One time, the cashier told the guy, "We still have a distancinng policy. You have to back up."

The vaccination rate in my county is only 45%.

[Scrivener7]

6. Terrifying. Glad they are recovering.

[DFW]

18. Letting down your guard is easy. Don't.

My family and I, all vaxxed with Pfizer or Moderna, are on vacation in the USA in what used to be considered a “safe” place: Truro, MA, near the tip of Cape Cod. There are relatively few people here, even in the summer, unlike the very crowded Provincetown, the last town at the tip.

But in P-town over the July 4th weekend, there was a lot of partying in a lot of crowded bars, with the narrow main street jammed with wall-to-wall people. Suddenly, two weeks later, there were hundreds of new infections, just about all Delta, and almost all occurring in people who had been fully vaccinated. Signs saying “masks optional” for the fully vaxxed are fast disappearing.

If there is something to spread, July 4th in Provincetown is an ideal incubator for it. From a sleepy 3000 people in the winter, it balloons to 60,000 in the summer. About 110% of them (there are thousands of day visitors by car or by boat who don’t spend the night) crowd Commercial Street during day and night. I think sardines are less tightly packed. Where the norm was a max of a couple dozen new infections a week, it jumped to over a hundred. Boston has issued warnings.

People visit P-town from everywhere. One or two infected are bound to be among them, and they obviously were. That’s all it took to send a tranquil vacation spot into panic right in the middle of the 3 months of the year when the locals earn 90% of what they need to stay above water for the rest of the year.

[Ms. Toad]

41. I'm having a hard time not destroying friendships over the local reaction to this

I have friends who lived throgh the AIDS epidemic - who are used to managing/living with a deadly virus. Their attitude is "just live with it."

No sense of responsiblity to take steps to prevent infections in those with whom they come into contact. Two have posted information from a local doctor who is actively advising the vacinated just to go on about their business - even if they know they have been exposed. Not to get tested even if they know they have been exposed - AND - have symptoms as long as it only feels like a cold.

I'm so tired of fighting ignorance - but I can't stop because ignorance is about to overwhelm us with more cases than we've ever seen before. And it feels irresponsible to me to at least not try.

[DFW]

42. It's easy to forget

Before the medicines were developed, a diagnosis of AIDS used to be a death sentence. No one managed then, no one lived with it for long. The medication is what saved the long-term survivors. Just because not everyone that gets some version of Covid-19 is automatically terminal--that is no reason to believe Tucker Carlson over Anthony Fauci. We know some people who refuse to get vaccinated, even in Germany. We say what we think, and then don't even bother to argue further. We all know people who have died from the virus. If some our vaccine-refusing friends get the virus and die from it, at least no one will be pointing any fingers or saying "I told you so." The virus disables your lungs, not your memory.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

65. When AIDS was a death sentence, people with it ran up their credit cards,

knowing they'd never live long enough to have to pay them off.

Then scientists created the "cocktail," and while still a serious condition, AIDS was not always fatal.

About those credit cards -- oops!

[olegramps]

19. The fact is that the flu vaccines that we take each year are not totally affective.

My understanding from what my doctor told me is that although you may still get the flu if you are vaccinated in most cases it will be less serious. This seems to be the case with the Covid vaccine which is far more effective than the normal flu vaccines. The scientists who have made this possible should be in our eternal gratitude.

It is totally beyond my ability to comprehend why so many people can be convinced by those with absolutely no actual knowledge and are really nincompoops at best to put themselves in danger of dying. The Republican Party has become a menace and should be eradicated like vermin.

[Evolve Dammit]

21. Scary. Hope you all will be OK.

[LymphocyteLover]

22. I think "breakthrough infection" is a misnomer

"The COVID-19 vaccines work to prevent infection with SARS-CoV-2 from progressing to the disease state, COVID-19. They don't act as a magical barrier to prevent infection altogether.

Detection of SARS-CoV-2 RNA in a fully vaccinated individual is not unexpected after exposure."

Link to tweet

[LisaL]

28. Moderna and Pfizer were preventing infections from the original covid.

CDC did a study on that.
Looks like delta can break through the vaccines. Not surprising, since delta patients have 1,000-fold more virus in them.

[LymphocyteLover]

35. it may be a bit of a semantic point but even with the original virus, some vaccinated people

got infected... again, the vaccine won't prevent some degree of infection but will prevent a long severe infection. Even in the trials, the decrease in infection rate could well have been the timing of how often they were tested as opposed to fewer infections.

[triron]

43. Your point is well informed it seems.

[wiggs]

29. great point, not stated enough. nt

[roamer65]

23. I really want my 3rd shot of Spikevax.

Spikevax is Moderna’s new name for it.

[LisaL]

27. Same here.

Boost me up!

[roamer65]

32. +1000

[Dreampuff]

25. Blues, so sorry to hear this happened to your family,

But also very encouraged since they all survived. My thoughts are also with others on this thread who have had family members or themselves dealing with this.

I have no link and it is the first story I have read about this, but I'm sure we will hear more about it in the future. There is a variant that is spreading in Illinois, I believe and also one in Texas. They are probably all over now, but I know that one is the Lambda variant and was circulating in Peru for months now. There is also a gamma variant and a few others and if I find the article, I will post it on here. They feel the Lambda is just as dangerous as the delta.

I am also waiting for IHS and the CDC to make some moves, but people get so vicious if you even suggest masks. It won't protect some of us who live in States who have Governors who have mandated that no local governments or businesses mandate masks because he doesn't believe in mandates. Yeah, you read that correctly.

[Kali]

26. LONG time no see

[bluesbassman]

55. Hi Kali!

Yes it’s been a minute! 😄
Hope all has been well with you!

[lagomorph777]

31. This is why we can't let our masks down, even if vaccinated.

Also, it looks like family travel is still the primary means of spread.

[Ms. Toad]

34. Thank goodness there were no children under 12 infected

That is what really terrified me about pretending we are fully protected, will only get mild symptoms, or can't transmit it to others. Children have zero protection, and - even when we are asymptomatic, we can transmit it to them.

[LymphocyteLover]

36. this issue is why the CDC was recommending masks even among vaccinated people early on

because vaccinated people can get infected and spread it unknowingly.

But they decided the risk was quite low so changed that guidance. The delta variant upended that.

[Meowmee]

40. I am glad they are all ok

The 85 yr old relative with copd is lucky because even with mrna vax you can still become very ill in those circumstances.

Was the original rel who thinks they contracted it at work wearing a mask then? And elsewhere? Were others at work wearing a mask?

I suppose they are not being tested to see which strain they have.

[beaglelover]

44. Very good news in regards to everyone recovering nicely!

The vaccines appear to be doing their job exceptionally well!

[dalton99a]

45. Kick

[Skittles]

47. KEEP MASKING, PEOPLE

IT AIN'T OVER

[deurbano]

49. It's scary to see the cases rising so quickly even here in very vaccinated San Francisco,

but at least most people still seem to be wearing masks.

[Skittles]

50. people who care about others kept masking

others, not so much

[gulliver]

51. This (or similar) should be on national news

[Zeitghost]

52. What a wonderful vacine!

85, COPD and kicked COVID to the curb. The vaccine(s) is working it's wonders.

[C Moon]

62. Great point!

[MustLoveBeagles]

53. I'm glad everyone will be okay

[MLAA]

54. Thank you for sharing. So glad all your family came through it!

My husband is 85 with COPD and got Moderna, so it brings me some comfort to hear that one of your family members has recovered without needing to go to the hospital.

[Ferrets are Cool]

56. It's the reason I continue to wear masks and wash and sanitize my hands

I do NOT want to bring this shit home to a wife that is immune deficient.

[Grasswire2]

57. Luckily, none of them were unvaccinated children. :-(

This is really frightening for parents.

[womanofthehills]

61. Most studies say because of kids strong immune systems

They do much better than adults with the virus.

UK opts not to vaccinate most under-18s against COVID-19
The British government has decided not to inoculate most children and teenagers against COVID-19 until more data on the vaccines become available.

The decision to hold off giving shots to most people under age 18 was based on the recommendation of an expert advisory panel. The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunization said the health benefits of universal vaccination don’t outweigh the risks for most young people, who typically suffer only mild symptoms of the virus.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/uk-opts-vaccinate-18s-covid-19-78926917