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underpants

(182,545 posts)
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 06:51 AM Jul 2021

I just watched Fox & Friends and now I'm confused

I tend to flip around at 6AM to see what the leads are on CNN - Morning Joe - F&F.

What F&F shows is a blizzard of clips with the hosts throwing in “yeah but” type statements.
A summary is below but the point is that the viewer gets one step forward - two steps back. The obvious VAX MASK is stated but anyone who has “vaccine hesitancy” (because, politically correct) gets justification and questions.
Douchey (who plead for people to get vaxxed a few days ago and had all hell rain down on him in response) sat there silent, nodding, smiling through the whole thing.
Current female in middle with a camera angle juuuust above a peek up her dress looks repeatedly to co-hosts for approval starts every statement with “but then...”
Kilmeade (garbage) actually looks down and reads from a handful of stapled papers - talking points of what Sounds like statistics and facts. He speaks as fast as humanly possible too.

DeSantis clip - GET VACCINATED
Hosts: Leadership!
Biden (from last night) - GET VACCINATED
Hosts: but he said this a few months ago
Biden - VAX OR MASK
Hosts: very confusing. Yes agrees another host.
Kilmeade (reading feverishly) - over 2...under 12... (looks up) it’s just....
Reporter comes in screen - 83% graphic takes up the full screen “83% of cases nationwide are not vaccinated”
Kilmeade “again CHILD ABUSE” actual quote. He then reads more of 2 years...12 years old...schools...

It was a furious few minutes that left the viewer with little option other than to go with what they’ve heard for the last year every day all day.

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I just watched Fox & Friends and now I'm confused (Original Post) underpants Jul 2021 OP
It is their goal... Ohio Joe Jul 2021 #1
83%? I haven't seen any number like that anywhere. More like 99% Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #2
Yeah that was what I thought too underpants Jul 2021 #3
Or it is a number from a country that uses Astra Zeneca. Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #4
I think the 83% is... 2naSalit Jul 2021 #5
Ah. Thank you. Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #10
Yes, 83% refers to the number of new cases that are delta variant. thesquanderer Jul 2021 #13
Or they are flat out... 2naSalit Jul 2021 #14
About 98-99% of *hospitalized* Covid patients are unvaccinated. Mariana Jul 2021 #9
The way I understood the numbers quoted mac2766 Jul 2021 #15
Figures don't lie Seinan Sensei Jul 2021 #18
Ha! Welcome! Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #19
Delta variant makes up 83% of new US coronavirus cases IronLionZion Jul 2021 #22
99.5% of DEATHS are unvaccinated people. Lower numbers are ALL cases including asymptomatic. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #24
I can assure you, no COVID vax has a 99% efficacy rate (infection prevention), especially against Celerity Jul 2021 #27
Some media is say Biden didn't fight disinformation enough.... Historic NY Jul 2021 #6
Is it Fox news saying that? That would figure. Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #11
Opinion pieces... Historic NY Jul 2021 #12
Great description! Felt like I was watching:) Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2021 #7
When gaslighting becomes the norm The Wizard Jul 2021 #8
Never forget. FAKE NEWS. czarjak Jul 2021 #16
Thanks for your service. IrishAfricanAmerican Jul 2021 #17
Fux and Freaks is morning propaganda. Nothing more. paleotn Jul 2021 #20
Per Steve Bannon SOSDemocracy Jul 2021 #21
Sayeth the dam breaker. Boomerproud Jul 2021 #28
Talking out of both sides of your mouth. It's an old strategy. Plausible deniability. lindysalsagal Jul 2021 #23
All right-wing "news" can be defined with the term "Fox shit" or F.S. for short. Chainfire Jul 2021 #25
At home, we don't get American TV DFW Jul 2021 #26
We are seeing the argument as to why the human race probably doesn't deserve to survive Eliot Rosewater Jul 2021 #29

Scrivener7

(50,890 posts)
4. Or it is a number from a country that uses Astra Zeneca.
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 07:15 AM
Jul 2021

I know AZ is more prone to breakthrough.

As Delta rages here, I expect we'll see more breakthrough, but so far the vax percentage has been gratifyingly low.

2naSalit

(86,282 posts)
5. I think the 83% is...
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 07:19 AM
Jul 2021

How many of the new cases are Delta variant and the 99.5% that Dr. Fauci stated all this past week is the number of unvaxxed who are in hospital or have died. Both of those numbers came from Dr. Fauci.

thesquanderer

(11,967 posts)
13. Yes, 83% refers to the number of new cases that are delta variant.
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 07:51 AM
Jul 2021

So either Fox messed up, or the OP mis-remembered what they said/put up on the screen. I would, of course, not be at all surprised if it were the former.

(I suppose it's also possible that, sheerly by coincidence, 83% also represents some other statistic related to vaccinations... over a different time period, cases serious enough to require hospitalization, whatever. Probably not, though. The 83% Delta figure is what's in the news.)

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
9. About 98-99% of *hospitalized* Covid patients are unvaccinated.
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 07:48 AM
Jul 2021

I have no idea where Fox News Channel got its number, but it may very well be true that 17% of Covid *cases* are in vaccinated people. Of those who are vaccinated and get infected, very few get sick enough from it to land in the hospital.

 

mac2766

(658 posts)
15. The way I understood the numbers quoted
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 08:04 AM
Jul 2021

Is that 83% of all new cases are from the Delta variant, but 99% of all new cases reported are those who have not been vaccinated. That's the distinction I believe.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
22. Delta variant makes up 83% of new US coronavirus cases
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:30 AM
Jul 2021
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/20/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html

Fox News is deliberately confusing people by conflating numbers. They do this with numbers and percentages all the time knowing people will draw false conclusions.

Celerity

(43,039 posts)
27. I can assure you, no COVID vax has a 99% efficacy rate (infection prevention), especially against
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:04 AM
Jul 2021

the Delta (B.1.672.2 Indian variant) and Beta (B.1.351 South African variant) variants.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
6. Some media is say Biden didn't fight disinformation enough....
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 07:29 AM
Jul 2021

How the F--k do you fight it when 24/7 stupidity is beamed into the great unwashed as the Loser called his people. If this lesson isn't enough to rein in Fox News then nothing is. Propaganda isn't free speech when it's leading cause of death amongst its viewers.

paleotn

(17,870 posts)
20. Fux and Freaks is morning propaganda. Nothing more.
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 09:30 AM
Jul 2021

A bunch of lies with just a razor thin patina of truth. If you view it in that context, it all makes sense. If he were alive, Joe Goebbels would love Fux and Freaks. Joe Stalin would be amazed and pissed his peeps didn't possess such skill.

lindysalsagal

(20,547 posts)
23. Talking out of both sides of your mouth. It's an old strategy. Plausible deniability.
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:34 AM
Jul 2021

Nothing is ever your fault.

DFW

(54,253 posts)
26. At home, we don't get American TV
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:00 AM
Jul 2021

And when I’m here in the USA on vacation, I don’t waste what free down time I have on watching Fox and Frauds. The cast of characters is enough to make me ill.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,104 posts)
29. We are seeing the argument as to why the human race probably doesn't deserve to survive
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 12:21 PM
Jul 2021

Fact: "Millions, maybe billions of lives would be saved if the dumbest adult on earth, Donald Trump, went on TV and said "get vaccinated."

The fact that it is dependent on the dumbest adult on earth to say something, to do something, anything, is proof of our likely necessary demise.

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