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(5,930 posts)Keep it on the down-low. If you don't speak of it, then it never happened, right? And isn't still happening...right?
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KS Toronado
(17,220 posts)Is really Erase Race History
Tadpole Raisin
(972 posts)Have been shot in the back (from any distance & with no weapon), been stepped on, kneeled on and suffocated right up to the present day.
Really, what are they complaining about?
Thank you for posting this!
rurallib
(62,411 posts)that good Muricans on the right are trying to stop
world wide wally
(21,742 posts)intheflow
(28,463 posts)Assuming a start date of 1619 and an end date of 1865, Black Lives were enslaved for 246 years, not 400. Say Black Lives have been subjugated, say they've been subject to generational trauma and disruption. But that one point will nullify the whole thing for racists looking to argue with this. I love the idea of this all around, but enslavement is not the same as being disenfranchised, and I am pro-not giving racists any fodder to argue with. I mean, they'll argue with the truth, but their arguments can be disproved by the truth. And the history of Black lives in America is horrific enough without embellishment.
SunnyATT
(56 posts)"Black" codes, vagrancy laws, and the criminalization of Black Americans existed long after the Civil War. In 1865, lawmakers amended the Constitution to outlaw slavery "except as a punishment for a crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted". The crime often was no written proof of a permanent resident or employment. Black men, women, and sometimes children were picked up, locked up, and put to work as prison laborers under horrific conditions. A slave had monetary value to the owner, a prisoner none and death from exposure, malnutrition, or exhaustion was not uncommon. A book written by Douglas Blackmon, "Slavery by Another Name: The Re-Enslavement of Black Americans" was featured in an enlightening PBS documentary that covers the period from the Civil War to WWII. Some could argue that "modern day slavery" still exists as companies like McDonald's, Wal-Mart, Starbucks, AT&T, et alia continue to profit from prison labor.
intheflow
(28,463 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 22, 2021, 02:45 PM - Edit history (1)
Everything else you listed falls under disenfranchisement, racism, etc. The 13th Amendment was obviously a way to continue cheap labor, but the fact that prisoners are paid (a sickeningly paltry wage, but still) enables naysayers to truthfully argue that slavery ended. I'm well aware of how oppression (including school-to-prison pipelines, housing inequities, etc.) has continued and impacted Black people emotionally and economically, but words mean things and "incarcerated" and "prison wage" ? "enslavement." Even the term "wage slave" (an oxymoron that doe not in anyway equal literal enslavement) needs the qualifier "wage" before "slave", and also applies to all lives because there is no legal statute saying Burger King can only hire Black people, and indeed, outside of cities, most of those jobs go to white people because they ran all the Blacks out of town.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)It's best not to over state the facts for fear of undermining the larger point. I'm not crazy about the last point because all manner of people could be violently attacked for "addressing" the wrong upper class person. Romeo and Juliet is a "timeless" classic specifically because of this point. I understand the whole Emmett Till aspect of the assertion, but that is really a larger part of the whole lynching philosophy of the time. I.e. that black people were subject to the "judgement" of any white person, at any time, for any issue, without consequence.
intheflow
(28,463 posts)Romeo and Juliet were rich kids from political families (i.e., "nobility" ). Neither family had social status over the other; to wit, from the prologue: "Two households, both alike in dignity." Romeo and Juliet is in no way a story of classism. Maybe like if Barron Trump and Sasha Obama inexplicably fell in love. (Not that the Trumps and the Obamas hold the same societal base, but it could be argued both families are theoretically wealthy, high social profile, and "warring." )
Lynching Black men for talking to white women is because of racism, not classism. When we hear the word "lynching," we don't think of Latino or Asian bodies, nor Native Americans. Lynching is so associated with Black Americans, there's even a famous song about strange fruit hanging from trees.
TimeToGo
(1,366 posts)Lots of bad stuff has happenend go black people since the civil war, but slavery ended in 1865.
We would jump down the throat of right wingers (rightly) if they made that kind of error and made that claim.
We can do better. It isnt hard and it doesnt hurt the overall point.
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)Natives were not US citizens until 1924.
txwhitedove
(3,928 posts)Snackshack
(2,541 posts)To Native Americans living in this country is every bit as bad if not worse. They didnt even get a mention in the constitution and from the end of the Civil War into the 1900s were systematically rounded up and hemmed into dead patches of land that they could not sustain themselves on or they were just annihilated.
intheflow
(28,463 posts)And we know that was inhumane and heartbreaking for their families and communities, often resulting in abuse and even death for the kids.
Marcuse
(7,479 posts)[link:https://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ751642|
malaise
(268,968 posts)for truth
crickets
(25,969 posts)moondust
(19,979 posts)"Ye shall teach the children that everything is beautiful," sayeth the GQP. "It's the law!"
Red Mountain
(1,732 posts)if you think they can be reasonable.
onethatcares
(16,167 posts)n/t
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)Thanks for the thread kpete.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)I can honestly state I did not know it was that long.
I can also state that this number was not taught in my high school American history class. Wonder why not?
YoshidaYui
(41,831 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 23, 2021, 09:36 AM - Edit history (3)
How about Sports forever changed in America??