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Thu Jul 22, 2021, 09:49 AM

Yep. France lowers the hammer on anti-vaxxers.



“ French President Emanuel Macron's statement:
“I no longer have any intention of sacrificing my life, my time, my freedom and the adolescence of my daughters, as well as their right to study properly, for those who refuse to be vaccinated. This time you stay at home, not us. "
In France, those who do not get vaccinated will no longer be able to go to restaurants, cafes (from the beginning of August), cinemas and museums (from July 21) and get on airplanes or trains (again from August). Alternatively, you will have to submit a negative test, which will no longer be free (49 euros for the PCR, 29 for the antigen).
Macron then announced the vaccination obligation for medical personnel and for those who work in contact with fragile people. Since September 15, a nurse who has refused to be vaccinated will no longer be able to go to work and receive a salary. "We cannot make those who have the civic sense to get vaccinated bear the burden of inconvenience," Macron said. "The restrictions will weigh on others, those who for reasons incomprehensible in the country of Louis Pasteur, science and the Enlightenment still hesitate to use the only weapon available against the pandemic, the vaccine."
I am aware of what I am asking you," he said, "and I know that you are ready for this commitment. This is, in a sense, part of your sense of duty."

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Reply Yep. France lowers the hammer on anti-vaxxers. (Original post)
Ninga Jul 22 OP
TreasonousBastard Jul 22 #1
genxlib Jul 22 #4
lagomorph777 Jul 22 #44
Initech Jul 22 #53
canetoad Jul 23 #81
Pinback Jul 23 #82
BlancheSplanchnik Jul 23 #84
Buckeyeblue Jul 23 #83
Lochloosa Jul 22 #8
TreasonousBastard Jul 22 #19
Bev54 Jul 22 #30
lagomorph777 Jul 22 #46
Bev54 Jul 22 #50
paleotn Jul 22 #36
aggiesal Jul 22 #43
paleotn Jul 22 #35
orangecrush Jul 22 #57
Grins Jul 22 #59
spanone Jul 22 #2
Chainfire Jul 22 #3
Deuce Jul 22 #5
brewens Jul 22 #6
AllaN01Bear Jul 22 #42
Quakerfriend Jul 22 #7
Tadpole Raisin Jul 22 #11
calimary Jul 22 #37
MustLoveBeagles Jul 22 #73
Journeyman Jul 22 #9
roamer65 Jul 22 #10
Lettuce Be Jul 22 #12
KS Toronado Jul 22 #17
TreasonousBastard Jul 22 #20
James48 Jul 22 #13
dalton99a Jul 22 #14
DFW Jul 22 #54
djm5971 Jul 22 #15
seta1950 Jul 22 #16
KS Toronado Jul 22 #18
Dopers_Greed Jul 22 #21
mdelaguna Jul 22 #22
hurple Jul 22 #23
Dreampuff Jul 22 #25
hurple Jul 22 #26
Dreampuff Jul 22 #28
calimary Jul 22 #38
lagomorph777 Jul 22 #47
whathehell Jul 22 #67
Captain Zero Jul 22 #65
ForgoTheConsequence Jul 22 #24
chowder66 Jul 22 #27
Crunchy Frog Jul 22 #69
Pepsidog Jul 22 #29
speak easy Jul 22 #31
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AngryOldDem Jul 22 #49
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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 09:54 AM

1. Last night the BBC had someone in Paris-- and the Parisians were not happy about it all.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:02 AM

4. I am sure that is true

Of the loud-mouth protesters that they sought out for comment.

I am tired of policy being driven by the loudest most obnoxious voices even when they represent a minority.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 12:13 PM

44. +1000 Every country has assholes, and they are very good at getting on TV.

Fuck 'em. Macron is trying to protect everybody else.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #44)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 12:50 PM

53. And they're literally the same people in every damn country.

The party name may change but the same assholes in France are the same assholes here, the same assholes in the UK, Italy, Turkey, the Philippenes, and well, you get the idea!

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Response to Initech (Reply #53)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 02:26 AM

81. Yes they are

We are entering a new 'Dark Ages' where popular superstition is the rule.

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Response to canetoad (Reply #81)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 05:49 AM

82. Carl Sagan was right.

His book The Demon-Haunted World talks about the stranglehold of superstition on many people.

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Response to Pinback (Reply #82)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 07:40 AM

84. Yep. Just finished reading that.

The next book I need to read is an old one— Extraordinary Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.
I’m especially interested in the phenomenon of mass psychosis, which is what we’re seeing now.

Billionaires may be originating the crazy ideas, but it’s the media, starting with fox and now perniciously spread into social media and outlets like newsmax and oann.

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Response to Initech (Reply #53)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 05:58 AM

83. It's like it's a birth defect or some sort of common mental illness

I'm not sure which. Are they born this way. Or are the in an environment that ruins them? Or a little of both.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:15 AM

8. The only ones not happy about it are the anti-vaxxers. Fuck'em

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Response to Lochloosa (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:52 AM

19. Well, they talked to restaurant owners who were afraid of more lost business, and...

a couple of the owners said they were uncomfortable with checking for vax passports.

Other money types and business owners generally thought the new mask rules, etc. were good ideas.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #19)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:46 AM

30. Well they may actually gain business if people know they are

safe with all vaccinated patrons around them. This is the same type of whining about paying a living wage. They fear what they do not know.

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Response to Bev54 (Reply #30)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 12:15 PM

46. In the USA, restaurant owners wanted to keep allowing smoking...

...until they realized that most people are NON-smokers, and many were avoiding restaurants because of the smoke.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #46)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 12:33 PM

50. Yes same in Canada when they brought in the laws.

It has been many years now and have not heard anymore complaints at all, restaurant and bars are still thriving.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #19)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:58 AM

36. Again......tough.

Get vaxxed or stay home.

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Response to Lochloosa (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 12:11 PM

43. Someone on DU said we should call them a name they don't like ...

They hate Antifa, so it was recommended AntiVa.
I agree but I've been using AntiVax instead.
Mostly for those in the US, but it can be used internationally.

I thought it was a good suggestion.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:56 AM

35. Tough

Get with the program or stay home. Sometimes you have to drag members of the supposedly intelligent species back into reality. Screw what they don’t like.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 02:15 PM

57. Tough dookie

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 02:48 PM

59. They looked for "les deplorables" and found them.

Just like The NY Times and the W. Post did - find some diner in a red state somewhere and interview the locals about the “loser” and their effing feelings.

After Macron made that statement more than a million French signed up for the vaccine.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 09:58 AM

2. K&R

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:00 AM

3. Well, I'll be damned there is an adult in charge if France.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:03 AM

5. I agree with him...

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:05 AM

6. In a national crisis, these bastards not only refused to help the rest of us, they sabotaged the

response, and are even ramping that up now.

At this point, I'm out to get those MFer's. Anything that looks, sounds, or stinks, like a FG following, COVID denying, ant-mask, anti-vax shitstain, better watch their back if I'm around!

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Response to brewens (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 12:05 PM

42. didnt help when tfg weaponized the pandemic and masks.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:07 AM

7. Now if we could only see the same here! N/t

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Response to Quakerfriend (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:22 AM

11. RW heads would explode.

Sign me up!

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Response to Tadpole Raisin (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:59 AM

37. And me!

I love to see wrong-wing heads explode.

Hard even to call them “right wing.” Because “right” they are NOT.

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Response to Quakerfriend (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 09:29 PM

73. ...

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:20 AM

9. . . . and this -- and more -- is what is needed the whole world over . . .

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:20 AM

10. This is leadership.

Bold decision from a bold man.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:24 AM

12. Came to say just that -- it's a bold move and likely to cost him reelection but it's correct

Thinking of country first -- wish we had more of that here

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Response to Lettuce Be (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:43 AM

17. Your assessment is spot on

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Response to Lettuce Be (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:53 AM

20. We do-- but it's Romney and Liz Chaney

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:24 AM

13. Viva La France!

Wish I could live there.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #14)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 12:58 PM

54. That contains a LOT more than in the short translated excerpt

Much common sense, and a truly ambitious program full of initiative. I'm sure he'll run into a massive wall of resistance, and hundreds of demonstrations opposing every detail that might affect any one narrow interest group. I hope he finds a way to surmount it all. He has laid out quite a shopping list, that's for sure.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:29 AM

15. Great!

I'm liking France more and more...

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:38 AM

16. Love

I wish our leaders had the courage to say that

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:46 AM

18. " the only weapon available against the pandemic"

Would be a nice question to attack antivaxers with.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:59 AM

21. Awesome

We should do that here

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:04 AM

22. K&freakin R

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:07 AM

23. I guess the Eric Clapton tour won't be hitting France

Sucks to be them... not.

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Response to hurple (Reply #23)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:12 AM

25. Eric Clapton is still touring? I love that guy!

I want macron to be my governor! My president seems to be doing the best he can, but somebody better do something quickly or we are all toast.

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Response to Dreampuff (Reply #25)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:18 AM

26. Clapton released a statement

That his upcoming tour will not play anywhere that requires proof of vaccination for attendees.

He also spent the entirety of the lockdown complaining about how they were restricting his freedumbs, along with his pal Van Morrison.

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Response to hurple (Reply #26)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:33 AM

28. I'm disappointed to hear that he is such a jerk.

I always loved his music, especially Tears in Heaven.

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Response to hurple (Reply #26)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 12:03 PM

38. Shit. Really?

Well they’ve both just dropped in my estimation.

Shame on them! Man! “Freedumb” is so spot-on!

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Response to calimary (Reply #38)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 12:18 PM

47. Van Morrison's voice is so grating.

So I won't be cancelling any Morrison tickets.

Clapton? I guess he falls in the category of "talented asshole" along with Ted Noogie.

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Response to calimary (Reply #38)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 07:46 PM

67. You know what they say.

Trust the art, not the artist.

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Response to hurple (Reply #26)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 06:20 PM

65. Oh Van Morrison too.?

Now I'm no longer sorry I downloaded most of his catalog of mp3s for free.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:11 AM

24. Fake quote.

He doesn’t have adolescent daughters.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:19 AM

27. Fake Quote per .....

snip...

New Delhi: A tweet went viral on social media claiming French President Emmanuel Macron has asked those who refused the Covid vaccine to stay at home. A quick fact-check however reveals this is fake news.
Journalist Selvaggia Lucarelli shared an Instagram post featuring a photo of Macron and a long caption in Italian.

Almost a week later, a quote from the post was widely shared on Twitter; the first account to tweet was an unverified one. The tweet has since been removed and the account suspended.

"I no longer have any intention of sacrificing my life, my time, my freedom and the adolescence of my daughters, as well as their right to study properly, for those who refuse to be vaccinated," reads the translated quote, which was lifted off the Italian journalist's post.




https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/did-france-president-emmanuel-macron-ask-those-refusing-vaccine-to-stay-home-a-fact-check-2492215

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Response to chowder66 (Reply #27)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 08:01 PM

69. Damn. It was such a good one. I hope the policies are still being implemented.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:33 AM

29. Smart of France.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:46 AM

31. FAKE - Please delete. Macron has no kids. His wife's youngest is 37. PLEASE DELETE.

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Response to speak easy (Reply #31)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 02:22 PM

58. Thank you! Yes, the OP should delete.

It's fake.

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Response to speak easy (Reply #31)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:45 PM

77. Why. Who cares who said it. Immensely true

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:49 AM

32. "This time you stay at home, not us."

That's a great sentiment and exactly the mood for anti-vaxxers.

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Response to forgotmylogin (Reply #32)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 12:25 PM

49. Absolutely.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:51 AM

33. Yes, but...

You need the French Vaccine Passport to prove status, and US tourists can't get their vaccinations registered. So you can travel to France but you can't do anything.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:53 AM

34. Pure simple logic

That's what my country (USA) seems to be lacking.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 12:04 PM

39. first. i agree with the french prez, get vaxxed or too bad, how dare you make me sick.

who the heck do u think u r mr and or ms hot stuff.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 12:04 PM

40. Supose there were people who not only prevented firefighters from reaching the Notre Dame blaze

but were also pouring gasoline on the church.

That is what anti-vaxxers do.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 12:05 PM

41. Good for France.

This is how it should have been from the beginning. Unfortunately the “Brawndo” party was in charge then. However now a year and a half later after 600,000+ Americans have died (actually closer to 1 million if the under reporting studies are correct) & the vaccine clearly showing it works and is not some nefarious plot to take over the universe and since the only people dying now are the unvaccinated a.k.a. the Brawndo Partys base they are rapidly changing their tune and brushing aside the “it’s got what plants crave” crowd and acting responsibly.



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Response to Snackshack (Reply #41)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 07:48 PM

68. Love it..Wish it would happen here. n/t

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 12:14 PM

45. Thank you for being sensible, France!

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Response to Buckeye_Democrat (Reply #45)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 08:36 PM

71. It goes against their nature, believe me!

I'm in France every week for work, been going there for work over 40 years,know lots of people and speak the language pretty much fluently. There is no greater critic of France than the French people themselves, and if Macron is being sensible here (and he is), you can bet he will be rewarded for it by waves of protests and strikes from the very people whose lives he wants to save/improve.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 12:24 PM

48. This is the way to do it.

Public health and the public good come first.

Government needs to stop being bullied by the ignorant.

You cannot trust people to act in their own best interests. This affects more than just individual choice.

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #48)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:43 PM

75. +1

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 12:47 PM

51. Into the 4th spike.

If we had really shut it with the first one, there wouldn’t have been any more.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 12:49 PM

52. K & R . . . Bravo MACRON!

That gave me chills. " ...in the country of Louis Pasteur, science and the Enlightenment..."
You can really feel his anger and indignation.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 01:38 PM

55. As Mr Spock correctly stated

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the the one. The needs here is hers immunity and human selfishness will not be allowed to derail it.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 02:12 PM

56. AMEN!!!!!









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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 03:20 PM

60. According to the NY Times

More than 2.2 million signed up for the vaccine within 48 hours of Macron's announcement.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 04:49 PM

61. That's what I call world class leadership

In the US, employers need to step up and mandate the vaccine. All schools must do the same for everyone 12 and older.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 05:14 PM

63. The important part of this quote is correct!


PARIS — When France and Germany launched their coronavirus vaccination programs late last year, officials in both countries assured that the shots wouldn't be mandatory in their societies, where vaccine skepticism is widespread.

But more than half a year later, the two nations are going further than most other Western countries in granting privileges to people who have been vaccinated and making daily life difficult for those who aren't.

These aren't mandates. Not formally. But in practice, some of the measures come close.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/vaccine-mandate-france-germany/2021/07/17/c36b0e74-e634-11eb-88c5-4fd6382c47cb_story.html

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 06:02 PM

64. They are spiking in their 4th wave.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/

And they have protests. I guess the US isn't the only country with maskholes.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 07:11 PM

66. K&R

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 08:15 PM

70. Totally agree.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 08:48 PM

72. I wish he said this.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #72)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:44 PM

76. Me too. So perfect. So eloquent

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Response to Mosby (Reply #72)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 12:52 AM

79. He didn't?

Hmm, well true there wasn't a link.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:32 PM

74. Wow.. what a bold and eloquent statement!!!!

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 02:20 AM

80. He should share what is happening in

Florida and Texas.......that the Delta strain is only killing people who have not been vaccinated.

Florida and Texas have both thrown 180's in the past days when it was revealed that Republican/non vaxers were the ones getting wiped out by the droves..............the people who got vaxed were almost entirely getting a little sick and that was all........

It seems mother nature has finally found a way to make it political party specific.......LOL

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