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Ninga

(9,005 posts)
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 08:49 AM Jul 2021

Yep. France lowers the hammer on anti-vaxxers.



“ French President Emanuel Macron's statement:
“I no longer have any intention of sacrificing my life, my time, my freedom and the adolescence of my daughters, as well as their right to study properly, for those who refuse to be vaccinated. This time you stay at home, not us. "
In France, those who do not get vaccinated will no longer be able to go to restaurants, cafes (from the beginning of August), cinemas and museums (from July 21) and get on airplanes or trains (again from August). Alternatively, you will have to submit a negative test, which will no longer be free (49 euros for the PCR, 29 for the antigen).
Macron then announced the vaccination obligation for medical personnel and for those who work in contact with fragile people. Since September 15, a nurse who has refused to be vaccinated will no longer be able to go to work and receive a salary. "We cannot make those who have the civic sense to get vaccinated bear the burden of inconvenience," Macron said. "The restrictions will weigh on others, those who for reasons incomprehensible in the country of Louis Pasteur, science and the Enlightenment still hesitate to use the only weapon available against the pandemic, the vaccine."
I am aware of what I am asking you," he said, "and I know that you are ready for this commitment. This is, in a sense, part of your sense of duty."
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Yep. France lowers the hammer on anti-vaxxers. (Original Post) Ninga Jul 2021 OP
Last night the BBC had someone in Paris-- and the Parisians were not happy about it all. TreasonousBastard Jul 2021 #1
I am sure that is true genxlib Jul 2021 #4
+1000 Every country has assholes, and they are very good at getting on TV. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #44
And they're literally the same people in every damn country. Initech Jul 2021 #53
Yes they are canetoad Jul 2021 #81
Carl Sagan was right. Pinback Jul 2021 #82
Yep. Just finished reading that. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2021 #84
It's like it's a birth defect or some sort of common mental illness Buckeyeblue Jul 2021 #83
The only ones not happy about it are the anti-vaxxers. Fuck'em Lochloosa Jul 2021 #8
Well, they talked to restaurant owners who were afraid of more lost business, and... TreasonousBastard Jul 2021 #19
Well they may actually gain business if people know they are Bev54 Jul 2021 #30
In the USA, restaurant owners wanted to keep allowing smoking... lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #46
Yes same in Canada when they brought in the laws. Bev54 Jul 2021 #50
Again......tough. paleotn Jul 2021 #36
Someone on DU said we should call them a name they don't like ... aggiesal Jul 2021 #43
Tough paleotn Jul 2021 #35
Tough dookie orangecrush Jul 2021 #57
They looked for "les deplorables" and found them. Grins Jul 2021 #59
K&R spanone Jul 2021 #2
Well, I'll be damned there is an adult in charge if France. Chainfire Jul 2021 #3
I agree with him... Deuce Jul 2021 #5
In a national crisis, these bastards not only refused to help the rest of us, they sabotaged the brewens Jul 2021 #6
didnt help when tfg weaponized the pandemic and masks. AllaN01Bear Jul 2021 #42
Now if we could only see the same here! N/t Quakerfriend Jul 2021 #7
RW heads would explode. Tadpole Raisin Jul 2021 #11
And me! calimary Jul 2021 #37
... MustLoveBeagles Jul 2021 #73
. . . and this -- and more -- is what is needed the whole world over . . . Journeyman Jul 2021 #9
This is leadership. roamer65 Jul 2021 #10
Came to say just that -- it's a bold move and likely to cost him reelection but it's correct Lettuce Be Jul 2021 #12
Your assessment is spot on KS Toronado Jul 2021 #17
We do-- but it's Romney and Liz Chaney TreasonousBastard Jul 2021 #20
Viva La France! James48 Jul 2021 #13
Transcript dalton99a Jul 2021 #14
That contains a LOT more than in the short translated excerpt DFW Jul 2021 #54
Great! djm5971 Jul 2021 #15
Love seta1950 Jul 2021 #16
" the only weapon available against the pandemic" KS Toronado Jul 2021 #18
Awesome Dopers_Greed Jul 2021 #21
K&freakin R mdelaguna Jul 2021 #22
I guess the Eric Clapton tour won't be hitting France hurple Jul 2021 #23
Eric Clapton is still touring? I love that guy! Dreampuff Jul 2021 #25
Clapton released a statement hurple Jul 2021 #26
I'm disappointed to hear that he is such a jerk. Dreampuff Jul 2021 #28
Shit. Really? calimary Jul 2021 #38
Van Morrison's voice is so grating. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #47
You know what they say. whathehell Jul 2021 #67
Oh Van Morrison too.? Captain Zero Jul 2021 #65
Fake quote. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2021 #24
Fake Quote per ..... chowder66 Jul 2021 #27
Damn. It was such a good one. I hope the policies are still being implemented. Crunchy Frog Jul 2021 #69
Smart of France. Pepsidog Jul 2021 #29
FAKE - Please delete. Macron has no kids. His wife's youngest is 37. PLEASE DELETE. speak easy Jul 2021 #31
Thank you! Yes, the OP should delete. BlueLucy Jul 2021 #58
Why. Who cares who said it. Immensely true Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2021 #77
"This time you stay at home, not us." forgotmylogin Jul 2021 #32
Absolutely. AngryOldDem Jul 2021 #49
Yes, but... brooklynite Jul 2021 #33
Pure simple logic HotRod Deluxe Jul 2021 #34
first. i agree with the french prez, get vaxxed or too bad, how dare you make me sick. AllaN01Bear Jul 2021 #39
Supose there were people who not only prevented firefighters from reaching the Notre Dame blaze DBoon Jul 2021 #40
Good for France. Snackshack Jul 2021 #41
Love it..Wish it would happen here. n/t whathehell Jul 2021 #68
Thank you for being sensible, France! Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #45
It goes against their nature, believe me! DFW Jul 2021 #71
This is the way to do it. AngryOldDem Jul 2021 #48
+1 Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2021 #75
Into the 4th spike. multigraincracker Jul 2021 #51
K & R . . . Bravo MACRON! liberalla Jul 2021 #52
As Mr Spock correctly stated Dukkha Jul 2021 #55
AMEN!!!!! orangecrush Jul 2021 #56
According to the NY Times littlemissmartypants Jul 2021 #60
That's what I call world class leadership AlexSFCA Jul 2021 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author Duppers Jul 2021 #62
The important part of this quote is correct! Duppers Jul 2021 #63
They are spiking in their 4th wave. BigmanPigman Jul 2021 #64
K&R BlueWavePsych Jul 2021 #66
Totally agree. Joinfortmill Jul 2021 #70
I wish he said this. Mosby Jul 2021 #72
Me too. So perfect. So eloquent Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2021 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author Polybius Jul 2021 #78
He didn't? Polybius Jul 2021 #79
Wow.. what a bold and eloquent statement!!!! Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2021 #74
He should share what is happening in DENVERPOPS Jul 2021 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2021 #85

genxlib

(6,107 posts)
4. I am sure that is true
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 09:02 AM
Jul 2021

Of the loud-mouth protesters that they sought out for comment.

I am tired of policy being driven by the loudest most obnoxious voices even when they represent a minority.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
44. +1000 Every country has assholes, and they are very good at getting on TV.
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:13 AM
Jul 2021

Fuck 'em. Macron is trying to protect everybody else.

Initech

(108,164 posts)
53. And they're literally the same people in every damn country.
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:50 AM
Jul 2021

The party name may change but the same assholes in France are the same assholes here, the same assholes in the UK, Italy, Turkey, the Philippenes, and well, you get the idea!

canetoad

(20,495 posts)
81. Yes they are
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 01:26 AM
Jul 2021

We are entering a new 'Dark Ages' where popular superstition is the rule.

Pinback

(13,560 posts)
82. Carl Sagan was right.
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 04:49 AM
Jul 2021

His book The Demon-Haunted World talks about the stranglehold of superstition on many people.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
84. Yep. Just finished reading that.
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 06:40 AM
Jul 2021

The next book I need to read is an old one— Extraordinary Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.
I’m especially interested in the phenomenon of mass psychosis, which is what we’re seeing now.

Billionaires may be originating the crazy ideas, but it’s the media, starting with fox and now perniciously spread into social media and outlets like newsmax and oann.

Buckeyeblue

(6,300 posts)
83. It's like it's a birth defect or some sort of common mental illness
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 04:58 AM
Jul 2021

I'm not sure which. Are they born this way. Or are the in an environment that ruins them? Or a little of both.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
19. Well, they talked to restaurant owners who were afraid of more lost business, and...
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 09:52 AM
Jul 2021

a couple of the owners said they were uncomfortable with checking for vax passports.

Other money types and business owners generally thought the new mask rules, etc. were good ideas.

Bev54

(13,356 posts)
30. Well they may actually gain business if people know they are
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:46 AM
Jul 2021

safe with all vaccinated patrons around them. This is the same type of whining about paying a living wage. They fear what they do not know.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
46. In the USA, restaurant owners wanted to keep allowing smoking...
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:15 AM
Jul 2021

...until they realized that most people are NON-smokers, and many were avoiding restaurants because of the smoke.

Bev54

(13,356 posts)
50. Yes same in Canada when they brought in the laws.
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:33 AM
Jul 2021

It has been many years now and have not heard anymore complaints at all, restaurant and bars are still thriving.

aggiesal

(10,676 posts)
43. Someone on DU said we should call them a name they don't like ...
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:11 AM
Jul 2021

They hate Antifa, so it was recommended AntiVa.
I agree but I've been using AntiVax instead.
Mostly for those in the US, but it can be used internationally.

I thought it was a good suggestion.

paleotn

(21,904 posts)
35. Tough
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:56 AM
Jul 2021

Get with the program or stay home. Sometimes you have to drag members of the supposedly intelligent species back into reality. Screw what they don’t like.

Grins

(9,354 posts)
59. They looked for "les deplorables" and found them.
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 01:48 PM
Jul 2021

Just like The NY Times and the W. Post did - find some diner in a red state somewhere and interview the locals about the “loser” and their effing feelings.

After Macron made that statement more than a million French signed up for the vaccine.

 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
6. In a national crisis, these bastards not only refused to help the rest of us, they sabotaged the
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 09:05 AM
Jul 2021

response, and are even ramping that up now.

At this point, I'm out to get those MFer's. Anything that looks, sounds, or stinks, like a FG following, COVID denying, ant-mask, anti-vax shitstain, better watch their back if I'm around!

calimary

(89,434 posts)
37. And me!
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:59 AM
Jul 2021

I love to see wrong-wing heads explode.

Hard even to call them “right wing.” Because “right” they are NOT.

Lettuce Be

(2,355 posts)
12. Came to say just that -- it's a bold move and likely to cost him reelection but it's correct
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 09:24 AM
Jul 2021

Thinking of country first -- wish we had more of that here

DFW

(59,926 posts)
54. That contains a LOT more than in the short translated excerpt
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:58 AM
Jul 2021

Much common sense, and a truly ambitious program full of initiative. I'm sure he'll run into a massive wall of resistance, and hundreds of demonstrations opposing every detail that might affect any one narrow interest group. I hope he finds a way to surmount it all. He has laid out quite a shopping list, that's for sure.

KS Toronado

(23,478 posts)
18. " the only weapon available against the pandemic"
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 09:46 AM
Jul 2021

Would be a nice question to attack antivaxers with.

Dreampuff

(778 posts)
25. Eric Clapton is still touring? I love that guy!
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:12 AM
Jul 2021

I want macron to be my governor! My president seems to be doing the best he can, but somebody better do something quickly or we are all toast.

hurple

(1,354 posts)
26. Clapton released a statement
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:18 AM
Jul 2021

That his upcoming tour will not play anywhere that requires proof of vaccination for attendees.

He also spent the entirety of the lockdown complaining about how they were restricting his freedumbs, along with his pal Van Morrison.

Dreampuff

(778 posts)
28. I'm disappointed to hear that he is such a jerk.
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:33 AM
Jul 2021

I always loved his music, especially Tears in Heaven.

calimary

(89,434 posts)
38. Shit. Really?
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:03 AM
Jul 2021

Well they’ve both just dropped in my estimation.

Shame on them! Man! “Freedumb” is so spot-on!

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
47. Van Morrison's voice is so grating.
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:18 AM
Jul 2021

So I won't be cancelling any Morrison tickets.

Clapton? I guess he falls in the category of "talented asshole" along with Ted Noogie.

Captain Zero

(8,822 posts)
65. Oh Van Morrison too.?
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 05:20 PM
Jul 2021

Now I'm no longer sorry I downloaded most of his catalog of mp3s for free.

chowder66

(12,051 posts)
27. Fake Quote per .....
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:19 AM
Jul 2021

snip...

New Delhi: A tweet went viral on social media claiming French President Emmanuel Macron has asked those who refused the Covid vaccine to stay at home. A quick fact-check however reveals this is fake news.
Journalist Selvaggia Lucarelli shared an Instagram post featuring a photo of Macron and a long caption in Italian.

Almost a week later, a quote from the post was widely shared on Twitter; the first account to tweet was an unverified one. The tweet has since been removed and the account suspended.

"I no longer have any intention of sacrificing my life, my time, my freedom and the adolescence of my daughters, as well as their right to study properly, for those who refuse to be vaccinated," reads the translated quote, which was lifted off the Italian journalist's post.




https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/did-france-president-emmanuel-macron-ask-those-refusing-vaccine-to-stay-home-a-fact-check-2492215

forgotmylogin

(7,945 posts)
32. "This time you stay at home, not us."
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:49 AM
Jul 2021

That's a great sentiment and exactly the mood for anti-vaxxers.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
33. Yes, but...
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 10:51 AM
Jul 2021

You need the French Vaccine Passport to prove status, and US tourists can't get their vaccinations registered. So you can travel to France but you can't do anything.

AllaN01Bear

(29,043 posts)
39. first. i agree with the french prez, get vaxxed or too bad, how dare you make me sick.
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:04 AM
Jul 2021

who the heck do u think u r mr and or ms hot stuff.

DBoon

(24,839 posts)
40. Supose there were people who not only prevented firefighters from reaching the Notre Dame blaze
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:04 AM
Jul 2021

but were also pouring gasoline on the church.

That is what anti-vaxxers do.

Snackshack

(2,576 posts)
41. Good for France.
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:05 AM
Jul 2021

This is how it should have been from the beginning. Unfortunately the “Brawndo” party was in charge then. However now a year and a half later after 600,000+ Americans have died (actually closer to 1 million if the under reporting studies are correct) & the vaccine clearly showing it works and is not some nefarious plot to take over the universe and since the only people dying now are the unvaccinated a.k.a. the Brawndo Partys base they are rapidly changing their tune and brushing aside the “it’s got what plants crave” crowd and acting responsibly.



DFW

(59,926 posts)
71. It goes against their nature, believe me!
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 07:36 PM
Jul 2021

I'm in France every week for work, been going there for work over 40 years,know lots of people and speak the language pretty much fluently. There is no greater critic of France than the French people themselves, and if Macron is being sensible here (and he is), you can bet he will be rewarded for it by waves of protests and strikes from the very people whose lives he wants to save/improve.

AngryOldDem

(14,180 posts)
48. This is the way to do it.
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:24 AM
Jul 2021

Public health and the public good come first.

Government needs to stop being bullied by the ignorant.

You cannot trust people to act in their own best interests. This affects more than just individual choice.

multigraincracker

(37,237 posts)
51. Into the 4th spike.
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:47 AM
Jul 2021

If we had really shut it with the first one, there wouldn’t have been any more.

liberalla

(10,977 posts)
52. K & R . . . Bravo MACRON!
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:49 AM
Jul 2021

That gave me chills. " ...in the country of Louis Pasteur, science and the Enlightenment..."
You can really feel his anger and indignation.

Dukkha

(7,341 posts)
55. As Mr Spock correctly stated
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 12:38 PM
Jul 2021

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the the one. The needs here is hers immunity and human selfishness will not be allowed to derail it.

littlemissmartypants

(32,806 posts)
60. According to the NY Times
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 02:20 PM
Jul 2021

More than 2.2 million signed up for the vaccine within 48 hours of Macron's announcement.

AlexSFCA

(6,319 posts)
61. That's what I call world class leadership
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 03:49 PM
Jul 2021

In the US, employers need to step up and mandate the vaccine. All schools must do the same for everyone 12 and older.

Response to Ninga (Original post)

Duppers

(28,469 posts)
63. The important part of this quote is correct!
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 04:14 PM
Jul 2021

PARIS — When France and Germany launched their coronavirus vaccination programs late last year, officials in both countries assured that the shots wouldn't be mandatory in their societies, where vaccine skepticism is widespread.

But more than half a year later, the two nations are going further than most other Western countries in granting privileges to people who have been vaccinated and making daily life difficult for those who aren't.

These aren't mandates. Not formally. But in practice, some of the measures come close.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/vaccine-mandate-france-germany/2021/07/17/c36b0e74-e634-11eb-88c5-4fd6382c47cb_story.html

Response to Mosby (Reply #72)

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
80. He should share what is happening in
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 01:20 AM
Jul 2021

Florida and Texas.......that the Delta strain is only killing people who have not been vaccinated.

Florida and Texas have both thrown 180's in the past days when it was revealed that Republican/non vaxers were the ones getting wiped out by the droves..............the people who got vaxed were almost entirely getting a little sick and that was all........

It seems mother nature has finally found a way to make it political party specific.......LOL

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