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Why is it considered radical that we should significantly invest in the needs of the working class? (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jul 2021 OP
K & R . . . Lovie777 Jul 2021 #1
The top 1 percenters think I_UndergroundPanther Jul 2021 #2
They think only the wealthy have the right to govern. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #7
Because 40 years of worshipping Ronald Reagan... TheRealNorth Jul 2021 #3
+1. Yep BeckyDem Jul 2021 #6
I agree most with the first reply on the tweet. Uncle Joe Jul 2021 #9
I just took a walk today through the "poor side of town". Trump signs and flags everywhere. Midnight Writer Jul 2021 #4
the worst vehicles I saw upstate here in NC XanaDUer2 Jul 2021 #11
What's a "working class?" greenjar_01 Jul 2021 #5
generally it means people who have to work for a living Skittles Jul 2021 #20
So, like a corporate lawyer? greenjar_01 Jul 2021 #24
no....and google is your friend Skittles Jul 2021 #26
I know what working class is supposed to mean greenjar_01 Jul 2021 #28
jeez Skittles Jul 2021 #29
Cogent greenjar_01 Jul 2021 #30
I believe most every American, that's the strength of the program. n/t Uncle Joe Jul 2021 #31
How are those days going to end? brooklynite Jul 2021 #8
Bernie's committee just sent out legislation that totally helps the working class questionseverything Jul 2021 #10
Are you under the impression that I object to having my taxes raised? brooklynite Jul 2021 #12
I am under the impression you object to senator sanders questionseverything Jul 2021 #13
Nothing against him personally... brooklynite Jul 2021 #17
Do any senators have the ability to implement their policies all by themselves? questionseverything Jul 2021 #18
Some Senators have the ability to rally support for their policy ideas. brooklynite Jul 2021 #19
Sanders brings forth ideas, we the people, support questionseverything Jul 2021 #23
+1 BeckyDem Jul 2021 #25
racism, sexism, and stupidity. librechik Jul 2021 #14
librechik, I believe you won the Internet today Uncle Joe Jul 2021 #15
Post removed Post removed Jul 2021 #16
If it weren't for the American working class FakeNoose Jul 2021 #21
Because most people don't think they're working class leftstreet Jul 2021 #22
Because the global model is all about the oligarchs malaise Jul 2021 #27

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,462 posts)
2. The top 1 percenters think
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 04:15 PM
Jul 2021

If working class people have money,time to think and aren't in poverty they'll start asking for stuff like worker's rights,clean air,raises and social justice,the 1 percenters see that as a threat to thier imagined hierarchical order.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,852 posts)
7. They think only the wealthy have the right to govern.
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 04:44 PM
Jul 2021

Like James Madison and some other founders.

Which makes it easier to understand their continued undermining of democracy too.

https://chomsky.info/commongood02/
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Aristotle also made the point that if you have, in a perfect democracy, a small number of very rich people and a large number of very poor people, the poor will use their democratic rights to take property away from the rich. Aristotle regarded that as unjust, and proposed two possible solutions: reducing poverty (which is what he recommended) or reducing democracy.

James Madison, who was no fool, noted the same problem, but unlike Aristotle, he aimed to reduce democracy rather than poverty. He believed that the primary goal of government is "to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority." As his colleague John Jay was fond of putting it, "The people who own the country ought to govern it."

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Pretty much the major, but often unspoken, struggle between Democrats and Republicans even today.

TheRealNorth

(9,470 posts)
3. Because 40 years of worshipping Ronald Reagan...
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 04:33 PM
Jul 2021

Have bamboozled people into thinking taxing the rich is "stealing" from them.

Uncle Joe

(58,284 posts)
9. I agree most with the first reply on the tweet.
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 05:06 PM
Jul 2021


"It’s radical because billionaires have spent a lot of money to tell people it’s radical."

Skittles

(153,113 posts)
20. generally it means people who have to work for a living
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 08:43 PM
Jul 2021

you know, they don't have trust funds, for example

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
24. So, like a corporate lawyer?
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 09:45 AM
Jul 2021

A Hollywood producer?

The woman in the toll booth at the Chicago Skyway?

Kid at the deli in the Bronx?

Congressional staffer?

I mean, almost everybody has to work for a living, no? It's not 1851.

Skittles

(153,113 posts)
26. no....and google is your friend
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 06:29 PM
Jul 2021

Working class is a socioeconomic term describing persons in a social class marked by jobs that provide low pay and require limited skill. ... Today, most working-class jobs are found in the services sector and include clerical, retail sales, and low-skill manual labor vocations.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
28. I know what working class is supposed to mean
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:34 PM
Jul 2021

It's a meaningless term today. Class composition is a mater of supreme importance, but the current state of theory and practice on it, especially in Democratic politics, is a fucking joke, as this exchange amply demonstrates. You send me to Google because the imagined understanding is thin as fuck and collapses under the slightest interrogation. Jesus, the Italian autonomists understood this in the 1960's but we're still pretending.

Skittles

(153,113 posts)
29. jeez
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:52 PM
Jul 2021

you really need to calm down, and perhaps you could pony up a few bucks for DU while you participate; over and OUT

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
10. Bernie's committee just sent out legislation that totally helps the working class
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 05:19 PM
Jul 2021

Don’t worry the 1 percent will always have way more than most of us……

brooklynite

(94,333 posts)
12. Are you under the impression that I object to having my taxes raised?
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 05:52 PM
Jul 2021

My point is, what is Bernie doing to actually get the legislation passed? Wrangling for-signers? Strong- arming Democratic votes?

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
13. I am under the impression you object to senator sanders
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 06:19 PM
Jul 2021

Am I mistaken?

It’s less than a week since the bill came out of committee , I assume the details of the bill are being hashed out by all democratic senators

brooklynite

(94,333 posts)
17. Nothing against him personally...
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 07:54 PM
Jul 2021

My wife and I had a very nice dinner with him and Jane back in 2011. No objection either to his policy ideas, but I see no ability he has to implement them.

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
18. Do any senators have the ability to implement their policies all by themselves?
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 08:29 PM
Jul 2021

Just getting his ideas into the reconciliation bill is a huge accomplishment

I am sure he will have to fight to keep it from being watered down

I hope he stands up for improving medicare and lowering the age of availability

I could lose some of the family leave benefits, it doesn’t seem fair to me some get paid time off for medical stuff when so many of us have no medical or none we can afford to use

brooklynite

(94,333 posts)
19. Some Senators have the ability to rally support for their policy ideas.
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 08:41 PM
Jul 2021

…and to build relationships with other Senators to help get Bills passed.

Ask yourself: why is Schumer Majority Leader and Sanders is not?

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
23. Sanders brings forth ideas, we the people, support
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 08:51 PM
Jul 2021

Wether other democratic senators want to support popular legislation is really on them

Besides manchin wanting to protect fossil fuels which other senators are not supporting the reconciliation bill?

I thought it had pretty wide support

Schumer is more of a politician while I see Bernie as a public servant, which would account for schumer being leader

It isn’t a contest, they are suppose to be on the same side

Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

FakeNoose

(32,579 posts)
21. If it weren't for the American working class
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 08:46 PM
Jul 2021

... the one-per-centers would all be DEAD BROKE.

Let that sink in, and let us make sure the Repukes never win another election.

leftstreet

(36,098 posts)
22. Because most people don't think they're working class
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 08:49 PM
Jul 2021

They believe they're middle class - which is apparently somewhere between owning a yacht or holding up a will-work-for-food sign

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