Here's what to say to employees who refuse to get vaccinated:

[Atticus]

"B'bye!"

[DURHAM D]

1. Yes nt

[Skittles]

2. and I could not recommend them for employment elsewhere

I could not in good conscience recommend a person who has complete disregard for their coworkers.

[CanonRay]

3. Oregon has a law that vaccination cannot be a condition of employment

Hence only 30% of the staff at our local memory care facility have been vaccinated and the result was a 25 person outbreak there. That's almost 10% of the total cases in our little town.

[DemocraticPatriot]

14. How did such a law get passed in Oregon ?!

Is it a very old one?

[CanonRay]

19. I'm told it was 30 years ago.

[Ohio Joe]

16. Oregon also has Employment at Will

Oregon laws allow the termination of an employment relationship by either the employer or the employee, without notice and without cause.

https://www.oregon.gov/boli/employers/Pages/employment-at-will.aspx

So... On a completely unrelated note... We don't need you anymore, pack up and get out.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

4. Not so fast.

Workers have rights too.

EMPLOYMENT LAW

Employers React to Workers Who Refuse a COVID-19 Vaccination

By Allen Smith, J.D., and Lisa Nagele-Piazza, J.D., SHRM-SCP
April 26, 2021

As COVID-19 vaccines become widely available, many employers are asking if they can require employees to get vaccinated, and what they can do if workers refuse. Some employers are firing workers who won't take the vaccine.

The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) has weighed in with guidance that answers some workplace vaccination questions. Employers may encourage or possibly require COVID-19 vaccinations, but policies must comply with the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII) and other workplace laws, according to the EEOC.

"An employee with a religious objection or a disability may need to be excused from the mandate or otherwise accommodated," noted John Lomax, an attorney with Snell & Wilmer in Phoenix. "Additionally, if an objecting employee is a union-represented employee, the employer may need to bargain and reach an agreement with the union before mandating vaccines."

{snip a lot of fine print}

[mwooldri]

5. Works well in so-called "Right to (not) Work" States.

Such as Texas. I believe a hospital there fired staff who wouldn't get the vaccine. Non "Right to Work" states may have a harder time trying to push through a simple mandate - even if religious and health exceptions we're in place too.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

8. You are conflating "right to work" with "at-will employment." "Right to work" is a state rule that

means you can benefit from collective bargaining contracts without paying union dues. "At-will employment" is an understanding of federal employment law that means your employer can fire you for any reason other than being a member of a protected class, or unless you are covered by a contract.

[11 Bravo]

6. Has Lard Ass tried to trademark "You're fired" yet?

Because that works for me.

[PufPuf23]

7. Had "Good bye" playing in my mind when clicked the thread.

Thank you for your posts Atticus.

[roamer65]

9. You're fired.

[Amishman]

10. Given that the vaccines lack full FDA approval, that's not a good business decision

Not to mention other potential legal problems from it.

As satisfying as that would be, it's still not a wise move from a business perspective

[lagomorph777]

21. So many are using the FDA as an excuse to shirk their civic duty.

We need to get the FDA to finish the job. No pharmaceutical in history has ever been as heavily tested as these vaccines. Literally billions of people have received them for many months now. Just effing do it.

[Zeitghost]

11. I remember

When most of us on the left were "my body my choice" on healthcare issues. I'm very pro vaccine, but I just can't get behind this new authoritarian bent with regard to healthcare decisions by so many.

[Crunchy Frog]

12. So I take it that you're against vaccination requirements for schools?

People have the right to not get vaccinated, but they don't have the right to put other people at risk.

I think that authoritarian France is moving in the right direction.

[Atticus]

13. This. nt

[Zeitghost]

20. I'm against

Anyone making healthcare decisions for anyone else without their express permission and I'm against the government forcing anyone to have any procedure or take any medication they do not want to take. It's a position many of us on the left have held for quite some time and it used to be celebrated as a core of our platform. A simple glance at medical history in this country will give you countless reasons many of us came to this position.

There are ways to successfully promote and protect public health that do not require threats or force.

[DemocraticPatriot]

17. If a co-worker exercises her right to have an abortion, it does not threaten my life or health.

Her body, her choice.

If a co-worker refuses to be vaccinated against COVID, it DOES threaten my life and health. It isn't just their body-- it's mine, also, that they are threatening. That's the difference.


No one is forcing them to get vaccinated. No one is forcing them to work there, either. I think it is and will be the right of employers to demand vaccination (except in certain limited cases as defined by law), and I will support it.

[Devil Child]

18. +1 Zeitghost

[inwiththenew]

15. In an ideal world this would happen but we live in a world far from that

A lot of employers are struggling to find qualified help. Now you can blame that on what they pay but I bet they are going to take a long hard look at letting go a reliable employee over the vaccine issue. It should be a simple decision but for many it won't.