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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCatholic priest who wants to prevent Biden from receiving communion resigns in sex scandal
Monsignor Jeffrey Burrill, general secretary of the USCCB, was a strong supporter of the measure, but he has resigned due to allegations of "serial sexual misconduct," as reported in The PIllar, a Catholic publication. Burrill was allegedly using Grindr for sex hookups, which goes against Catholic priests' vow of celibacy.
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To be clear I do not care about this Priests sex life, I think celibacy is an absolute nonsense, but the hypocrisy of trying to deny Biden communion because you are right wing moralising about a policy position, while you are breaking the most important rule of a Priests life... ridiculous.
Rule to live your life by. Let he who casts the first stone make bloody sure he is not squatting in a glass house!
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)Scrivener7
(50,941 posts)But they never do.
OnDoutside
(19,952 posts)it wouldn't shock me in the slightest if it turns out that he's another.
lkinwi
(1,477 posts)it is perfectly acceptable to to have a hierarchy of sins. She was trashing churches that allow gay clergy and that anyone who attends these churches are sinning. When I reminded her that she wasnt perfect, she argued that her sin of living with her boyfriend before marriage wasnt as bad as the sin of homosexuality, therefore, she will go to heaven and gays will not. 🙄 Theres no arguing with idiocy.
thucythucy
(8,043 posts)back when I couldn't help encountering them. They always started it, but it most often ended with them slinking away to lick their wounds.
One sure fire method was to point out their arrogance in presuming to know how their God was going to judge them. Christians are supposed to be humble, not a trait you find in very many American evangelicals.
In her case I would have pointed out her sin of pride. Her God hates, just hates, pride, arrogance, and self-righteousness.
One zinger that also almost always unsettled them: "How can you be sure that God didn't send me to warn you about your arrogance? How can you know He hasn't looked into your heart and found you wanting?"
If nothing else it made certain that that particular evangelical would never bother me again. Now and again though one would try for a rematch, and I'd say, "Are you still rejecting God's word, still banishing Christ from your heart out of your own foolish pride?"
In her case I would have added: "How dare you? Not only do you defy His Word by living in sin, you then presume to know how you will be judged? Go back to the Bible and read how Christ dealt with hypocrites. 'Judgment is mine, sayeth the Lord.' God spurns the prideful heart, and your heart seems steeped in pride and arrogance. I bet you even pray out loud and in public, something else Jesus condemned. And yet here you are practically dictating to God how you think He should judge you. Your sin is pride, and yes, pride goeth before a fall."
As I got older I tried not to be so cruel as to delight in their discomfort, but in recent years my tolerance for these folks is at an all time low.
SWBTATTReg
(22,100 posts)thucythucy
(8,043 posts)tanyev
(42,543 posts)who refuse to do gay weddings ever quiz the hetero couples who contact them as to whether their relationship began as an adulterous affair. Which is, of course, an actual commandment.
paleotn
(17,911 posts)What arrogance. Personally, I've found Christianity to be one of the most ridiculously arrogant of all religions.
EYESORE 9001
(25,927 posts)Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest
-Denis Diderot
thucythucy
(8,043 posts)The blatant hypocrisy is so very evident.
And isn't there a saying somewhere by someone about removing the beam from your own eye before straining at the gnat in another's?
Then too, "Let he who is without sin..."
And don't forget, "Judge not lest ye be judged."
Fun fact: Christ never said a word about abortion (or homosexuality).
He was quite adamant though about calling out hypocrites.
benfranklin1776
(6,443 posts)Funny how hypocrites like this, and Jesus also strongly condemned hypocrisy if I recall, never seem to read or follow the source material. By their deeds you know them.
thucythucy
(8,043 posts)not to be like the hypocrites who make a public show out of their faith. A true follower, he says, will go into a closet and pray, and not lord it over everyone with how fucking pius they are.
That alone should blow mega-churches out of the water, with everyone "praising Jesus" as loudly and ostentatiously as they can.
But like you say, these folks rarely ponder those verses.
benfranklin1776
(6,443 posts)I quoted that passage once to a bible shouter at a public intersection who was loudly proclaiming his piety and the hell-bound sinfulness of myself and every other motorist stopped at the light. He was, probably for once, rendered speechless, so I encouraged him to read the book he was carrying for further clarification of my point.
Talk is, for these people, quite cheap.
2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)that if you give your sins to Jesus and praise him, your soul is clean. You're good. A proper ass kissing is all that is required. I was under the silly impression from Sunday School that the process went something like recognizing that you did wrong, own it, attempt to make restitution to who you wronged, feel genuine remorse, and do not repeat. Only then were you in the running for redemption. I came to this understanding because I have evangelical relatives. Simply amazing how God's judgement perfectly aligns with their self interest. Throwing in the loud public praise and jazz hands is extra.
OldBaldy1701E
(5,113 posts)BBWWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!
PatSeg
(47,377 posts)Well, maybe not so "holy", but definitely shit! So easy to pass judgment on other people, especially when you are a priest.
gradmaster
(29 posts)I am a practicing Catholic, that is I attend Mass each week and I am in our parish choir, as well as being a cantor. Long ago I stopped basing my belief in how a priest acts. My belief is based in the Scriptures. Jesus never started a "Church ", but people do like to gather with like-minded people, so... Would I willingly attend Mass or receive Communion from a priest that I knew was violating basic moral principles? Definitely not. I am embarrassed by the stand taken by the USCCB; however, not all bishops support that stand, and Pope Francis does not. Catholics are not like Evangelicals. We do not follow in lock -step with the so-called "heads"of the Church. Jesus, the person who accepted everyone, is the person many of us follow.
thucythucy
(8,043 posts)and to meet you.
I know many fine Christians, Catholics among them. They very often have a strong commitment to social justice, and serving the poor, the marginalized, even the despised. They also tend to be truly humble.
THAT I can and do respect. The high and mighty judges of other's sins and actions--not so much.
Best wishes.
2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,750 posts)Homosexual priests. Not even news anymore. Just more details.
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)Burrill appears to be an even bigger hypocrite because the USCCB has opposed LGBTQ equality, same-sex adoption, and the development of an LGBTQ suicide hotline. It has also promoted anti-trans legislation.
How can anyone with a heart oppose a suicide hotline?
I hope they investigate who he "hooked up" with and make sure they were of legal age to consent.
spanone
(135,816 posts)arlyellowdog
(866 posts)He works for the Catholics Bishop Council, but was he a backer of the anti Biden measure. Im really asking. There are liberal and conservative Bishops. I am checking the news sources and I see he read the resolution, but I dont see a sources that he was a conservative. I just wonder why would the conservative rag The Pillar go after a conservative?
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Hugin
(33,116 posts)Too late now.
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)paleotn
(17,911 posts)Hypocrisy and arrogance at its absolute worst. I grew in over in the evangelical corner and it's the same story. The entire edifice is rotten to the core.
Cosmo Blues
(2,480 posts)An article saying a priest was on Grindr, since I really didn't care I just scrolled by, I didn't know it was one of those that had called for Biden not to get communion. Not quite instant but karma nonetheless
Dorian Gray
(13,490 posts)right wing priest being a hypocrite, but it is way more complicated than that.
The blog that released the story is relatively conservative itself. The Monsignor wasn't a bishop. He did work for the USCCB, though.
What is most disturbing is how the two editors of The Pillar got the metadata. Ed Condon and JD Flynn both worked for CNA last year and resigned to start this. Who is their funder, and who made this data available to them. (Though I don't have proof, there are a lot of option because CNA is EWTN's side gig, and they have a lot of relationships with VERY right wing Catholics.)
There is speculation in the more liberal Catholic community that this is a Steve Bannon gig, somehow.
But regardless of that, a priest should not be living a double life. He made vows that he is breaking and that is a very big problem in his ministry.
And the idea that this metadata is out there... available... to take anybody down and it's being funded by anonymous backers of this blog is disturbing. I don't believe that any actual newspapers would have accepted this story without understanding how the data became available to the editors. And while I used to respect Flynn and Condon, I'm really disturbed by the implications of this story.
If they had proof or an inside tip about this priest, they have enough power and name recognition in the catholic community to actually do something about it privately. Condon is a a canon lawyer, for christ's sake.
This is more than a hypocrite priest. It's about data privacy and what we can expect when we're using our cell phones.
keopeli
(3,509 posts)634-5789
(4,175 posts)Time Mag had a great article on this. Then they wonder why there's nobody in church.
Hangingon
(3,071 posts)Of course, the Catholic Church stands high on the KKK hit list. Dont matter. KKK, NAZI Fascist are now just terms to use to malign anything we dont like.
keopeli
(3,509 posts)First, I'm gay myself. I believe many on the left consider 99% of those of us who are gay to be very liberal. However, I've posited that this is not the case. Many, many gay people are super conservative. On the matter of gay rights, we shared a common goal. But, once that issue is resolved, the real partisan differences appear. My point is that you can not count on support from people based on their identity (i.e. gender, sexual identity, race, nationality, etc.) Instead, we must promote an agenda and work on getting others to understand how these solutions are better for them as well as how the propaganda artists confuse the situation and mislead people.
I suffer from this misconception myself. I can't believe it when I discover that a woman voted for Trump, or a gay person, or a Hispanic, etc. (Honestly, I don't see how anyone could support Trump, but that's another matter.) But, the reality is that an identifying trait does not imply the adoption of an ideology. By understanding this, we are better able to promote our policy goals as well as have a better grasp on who we are trying to reach and how best to address them.
I think this is an important lesson for us to learn as Democrats seeking a larger majority.
As for this Monsignor (or did he lose that title already), karma might not be mentioned in the bible, but it seems to do its job regardless! Those who are the most adamant in their defense of very divisive positions often have a hidden agenda and use extreme rhetoric as a way to mask their otherwise indefensible positions.
Initech
(100,060 posts)Blue Owl
(50,347 posts)BlueWavePsych
(2,635 posts)They continue to treat LGBTQ community as sinners when they themselves are mostly gay
panader0
(25,816 posts)I'd say hypocrisy is the mainstay of their beliefs. These folks are supposedly worshipping a guy who
lived in poverty. The Catholic Church seems to be contrary to what they purportedly believe.
These people make Joel Osteen and his ilk look like amateurs.