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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDid Aaron Burr create the filibuster ??
And isn't the filibuster a very "undemocratic" creation?
https://www.brookings.edu/testimonies/the-history-of-the-filibuster/
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However, when we dig into the history of Congress, it seems that the filibuster was created by mistake. Let me explain.
The House and Senate rulebooks in 1789 were nearly identical. Both rulebooks included what is known as the previous question motion. The House kept their motion, and today it empowers a simple majority to cut off debate. The Senate no longer has that rule on its books.
What happened to the Senates rule? In 1805, Vice President Aaron Burr was presiding over the Senate (freshly indicted for the murder of Alexander Hamilton), and he offered this advice. He said something like this. You are a great deliberative body. But a truly great Senate would have a cleaner rule book. Yours is a mess. You have lots of rules that do the same thing. And he singles out the previous question motion. Now, today, we know that a simple majority in the House can use the rule to cut off debate. But in 1805, neither chamber used the rule that way. Majorities were still experimenting with it. And so when Aaron Burr said, get rid of the previous question motion, the Senate didnt think twice. When they met in 1806, they dropped the motion from the Senate rule book.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)When it began I do not recall, but it was ended early in the twentieth century by Speaker Cannon.
When a quorum call was made, the clerk counted as present only those members who answered present. Sight of a fellow at his desk made no difference. Without a recognized quorum, business could not be conducted on whatever was then before the house.
Speaker Cannon one day, after some preparations to prevent escape by window or door, directed the clerk conducting a quorum call to count as present any member actually in the chamber. Leading to some entertaining declarations along the lines of 'I protest the gentleman counting me as present!'
kentuck
(111,094 posts)At present, I think the House can stop debate with a simple majority. That was the way it initially was in the Senate, also, is my understanding.
It has become an obstruction tool for the Republicans to stop any and all progressive legislation that might come forth. It should be ended, in my opinion.
Those that argue that the Republicans would use the same rules whenever they were in power are probably right, but as a general rule, Republicans do not introduce legislation the way that Democrats do.
Furthermore, if they were to pass legislation that was publicly unpopular, they could have to answer in the next election? So long as we have the right to vote, no one can do the insane stuff for very long. The democratic process, naturally favors the Democrats. Hence, the name of the Party.
rampartc
(5,407 posts)mirriam webster puts this defunition (also applicable to burr) first .......
1: an irregular military adventurer
specifically : an American engaged in fomenting insurrections in Latin America in the mid-19th century
burr gathered a private army and intended on making himself the ruler of a part of louisiana (latin america at the time)