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Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:01 AM

A Baltimore County widow put her mansion on the market. Then sovereign citizens moved in.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/maryland/baltimore-county/bs-prem-md-co-sovereign-citizens-falls-road-20210722-voivdsl2yfexbea2lep3bcuuk4-story.html

Valued at $1.5 million, the Falls Road home has it all.

Hidden among trees on 2 acres with an elegant outdoor terrace overlooking lush green forest, the 2 1/2-story mansion boasts a stone fireplace and vaulted wood-beam ceilings, six bedrooms and five bathrooms, a deluxe butlerís pantry and indoor pizza oven and large windows across the walls of the 10,000-square-foot space. Thereís even a treehouse with a wraparound porch.

It was the dream house designed and built by a prominent commercial real estate broker and his wife in 2005, two years after the pair married. When he died early last year, his widow hired a real estate agent, put her abode on the market and moved.

The phone calls from worried neighbors began in June: There was a chain locked across her driveway entrance. Warnings against trespassers appeared along the property perimeter. A group was spotted unloading furniture and other items from a moving truck.

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Reply A Baltimore County widow put her mansion on the market. Then sovereign citizens moved in. (Original post)
Dial H For Hero Jul 23 OP
2naSalit Jul 23 #1
Dial H For Hero Jul 23 #4
2naSalit Jul 23 #5
North Shore Chicago Jul 23 #2
Chainfire Jul 23 #6
Dial H For Hero Jul 23 #11
Moostache Jul 23 #13
Thtwudbeme Jul 23 #14
Chainfire Jul 23 #15
Treefrog Jul 23 #16
GoneOffShore Jul 23 #3
CurtEastPoint Jul 23 #7
Dial H For Hero Jul 23 #8
CurtEastPoint Jul 23 #9
AllaN01Bear Jul 23 #20
nuxvomica Jul 23 #10
nuxvomica Jul 23 #12
Ms. Toad Jul 23 #17
Amishman Jul 23 #22
nuxvomica Jul 23 #23
brooklynite Jul 23 #18
msfiddlestix Jul 23 #19
Dial H For Hero Jul 23 #21
msfiddlestix Jul 23 #24
Treefrog Jul 23 #25
leftyladyfrommo Jul 23 #26

Response to Dial H For Hero (Original post)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:05 AM

1. Paywall.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:11 AM

4. I didn't see the paywall, but I have an adblocker and use a VPN. Perhaps that's why.

Sorry....

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:14 AM

5. I have ad blocker but...

The paywall subscipt demands won't let you have a once in a lifetime pass to see the article. Oh well, maybe it will gain more attention soon, this sounds scary.

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Original post)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:06 AM

2. Oh my!

I would be hopping mad!

Please arrest and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.

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Response to North Shore Chicago (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:27 AM

6. How can the police arrest them?

They are not subject to the laws of the land. Where ever they go they take their little nation, wrapped around their shoulders, like a cheap raincoat. The police have no authority over them. They are Sovereign.

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Response to Chainfire (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:40 AM

11. I once went down the YouTube rabbit hole and watched SC's being arrested (mostly at border

checkpoints).. Such encounters typically end with the officer smashing the driver's window, after spending half an hour (or more) arguing with SC who's been spouting endless lines obviously memorized for such a situation ("I'm not driving, I'm traveling. If you arrest me I will sue you and you will lose your job. I do not recognize your laws. Etc.).

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Response to Chainfire (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:42 AM

13. Invade and conquer them then...

I hereby claim ALL sovereign citizens as colonial possessions of the United States of America, subject to the duties, laws and privileges that entails.

Now, go in and physically remove them with all necessary force.

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Response to Thtwudbeme (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:59 AM

15. I am going to write a declaration of independence, declare myself a sovereign nation, appoint

myself and ambassador and claim diplomatic immunity.

In fact, I will do it here and now! I am an independent nation! See how easy that is? Welcome to Steveistan!

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Response to Chainfire (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 11:03 AM

16. They may think that, but the police sure as hell do have jurisdiction over them.

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Original post)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:08 AM

3. Baltimore Sun not available in the EU -

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Response to CurtEastPoint (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:30 AM

8. Thanks for posting that!

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:33 AM

9. I always do a search on a unique phrase or headline and often find other resources.

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 11:41 AM

20. got nailed by paywall and anti adblocker message .

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Original post)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:40 AM

12. I keep saying, "sovereign" citizens and "constitutional" sheriffs should be deported

If they make the assertion in court that they are not subject to our laws, declare their citizenship renounced and deport them. The citizenship rights protected by 14th Amendment do not apply.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.


This was originally meant to exclude those with diplomatic status but it may have been prescient.

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Response to nuxvomica (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 11:08 AM

17. Now my two worlds have come together . . .

The judge for whom i drafted several sovereign citizen decisions raised alpacas, one of which was named nux vomica.

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Response to nuxvomica (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 11:51 AM

22. Deported to where?

Just curious

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Response to Amishman (Reply #22)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 11:54 AM

23. Antarctica

Or a ship in international waters.

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Original post)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 11:09 AM

18. Simple solution

Hire armed repossessors to walk in and take all their furniture and property. Since they don't recognize property rights, they won't complain.

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Original post)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 11:26 AM

19. this is so weird and freaks me out

according to the SPLC, there are no laws to adequately deal with this, and apparently squatters legally have rights over ownership under certain conditions and situations.

I just don't subscribe to that idea, as a low income person frequently dealing with housing issues in my life, this is just complete bs.

Most especially really weird our capitalists over lords haven't managed to lobby lawmakers to enact protection for owners rights in these circumstances. just mind boggling.

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Response to msfiddlestix (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 11:44 AM

21. Agreed. One would think that if squatters invaded someone's house that law enforcement would simply

go in and arrest them.

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 01:09 PM

24. except there exist Squatters protections laws in some municipalities

i can't speak to the location in the article, but in Oakland California I learned that squatters occupying a "vacant" home can not be arrested by law enforcers.

Shocking but true. found this out when the house next door to my daughters was vacant due to the owner passing away.

It was listed for sale, but it wasn't ready to be sold until repairs and basic improvements were made, due to the neglect from the deceased owner who occupied his home for over a half century.

So, this one homeless guy, sort of with mental disabilities, squatted there regularly. he came and went due to the deceased owners son doing the home repairs. But the owners son did not regularly work on the house. he'd go for weeks and months without attending to a damn thing, while the house just sat there, abandoned.

So it sort of fell under some kind of "abandoned home" classification, although it really wasn't literally abandoned. The son just took his sweet ass time getting the house ready to sell.

Some drama associated with this situation went on for a couple of years. Anyhow, that's when I learned about squatters rights, and protections from law enforcement wrt "abandoned" property.


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Response to Dial H For Hero (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 01:12 PM

25. The article says they were arrested.

But who knows what damage they did in the meantime.

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Original post)

Fri Jul 23, 2021, 01:12 PM

26. They will completely destroy that house because they

are pigs

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