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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:53 PM Jul 2021

"The bicycle is the slow death of the planet"

"The bicycle is the slow death of the planet."

I hope he did say this, but don't know. Sounds about right.


General Director of Euro Exim Bank Ltd. got economists thinking when he said:

"A cyclist is a disaster for the country's economy: he does not buy cars and does not borrow money to buy. He does not pay for insurance policies. He does not buy fuel, does not pay for the necessary maintenance and repairs. He does not use paid parking. He does not cause serious accidents. He does not require multi-lane highways. He does not get fat.

Healthy people are neither needed nor useful for the economy. They don't buy medicine. They do not go to hospitals or doctors. Nothing is added to the country's GDP (gross domestic product).

On the contrary, every new McDonald's restaurant creates at least 30 jobs: 10 cardiologists, 10 dentists, 10 dietary experts and nutritionists, and obviously, people who work at the restaurant itself."

Choose carefully: cyclist or McDonald's? It is worth considering.


P.S. Walking is even worse. Pedestrians don't even buy bicycles.

Thank you for this Megan Doreen 🙏❤️
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"The bicycle is the slow death of the planet" (Original Post) babylonsister Jul 2021 OP
I had a boss who once said to me "Damn bicycles, don't pay tax for roads" underpants Jul 2021 #1
The Bicycle is the slow death of the Planet ItsjustMe Jul 2021 #2
Damn, what next? People quit eating factory farm meat? hunter Jul 2021 #3
This is glurge. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #4
For the cyclists I know Mopar151 Jul 2021 #5
I have 5 bicycles and one car bhikkhu Jul 2021 #33
The bicycle isn't the death of the planet, by this argument. But it's one nail in the coffin Gaugamela Jul 2021 #6
Here in California, and probably elsewhere in these great United States... Spider Jerusalem Jul 2021 #7
Actually, here in Austin a lot of people commute via bike. Lonestarblue Jul 2021 #30
That Seems Fair ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #31
Having a rack and panniers and fenders makes a huge difference Spider Jerusalem Jul 2021 #35
Advantages Here ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #41
Oh, dear lord. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2021 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Jul 2021 #9
You just have to avoid getting hit by cars. A Jets coach just got killed... brush Jul 2021 #22
Sanjay Thakrar of Vandalay Industries ? Captain Zero Jul 2021 #25
no and I actually did find this bloke (not saying he wrote the info btw) Celerity Jul 2021 #26
I walk everywhere I_UndergroundPanther Jul 2021 #10
They buy tight shorts, bikes, protein shakes, etc. IronLionZion Jul 2021 #11
Stupid sexy Flanders! ret5hd Jul 2021 #15
Stupid sexy Flanders! ret5hd Jul 2021 #16
"Pedestrians don't even buy bicycles." enid602 Jul 2021 #12
The hardcore MAMILs I work with seem to use the hospital system quite a bit as well. meadowlander Jul 2021 #20
From the sound of this, cyclists have more disposable income. House of Roberts Jul 2021 #13
This Old Crank Jul 2021 #14
False quote but there's no reason not to re-engineer it into a true one. NullTuples Jul 2021 #17
Me waiting greenjar_01 Jul 2021 #18
It certainly spells the end of the current economic paradigm. Crunchy Frog Jul 2021 #19
Yours is the correct response to the article cited. Ron Green Jul 2021 #39
Not in the US . In the US they are more likely to buy overpriced organic and other foods considered JI7 Jul 2021 #21
Oh boy... ExciteBike66 Jul 2021 #23
Love my bicycle. Everytime I ride it to the grocery store, the library, the PO, Roisin Ni Fiachra Jul 2021 #24
Car-dependent communities are unhealthy for humans. Yavin4 Jul 2021 #27
Well ... shoes and tires, maintenance and replacement parts. bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #28
death of the planet Prichards115 Jul 2021 #29
I used to bike to work on occasion. Woodwizard Jul 2021 #32
I have a feeling that this is.... reACTIONary Jul 2021 #34
He's right Roy Rolling Jul 2021 #36
Currently recovering from a serious bicycle accident - this is ironic. jimlup Jul 2021 #37
I'm so sorry to hear about your accident! smirkymonkey Jul 2021 #40
Thanks jimlup Jul 2021 #42
Good, I am glad she caught it and I hope you continue to improve! smirkymonkey Jul 2021 #44
Feeling much better! jimlup Jul 2021 #45
Oh good! I am glad you are feeling better! smirkymonkey Jul 2021 #46
Fake. Google it. onenote Jul 2021 #38
False argument. KentuckyWoman Jul 2021 #43

underpants

(182,746 posts)
1. I had a boss who once said to me "Damn bicycles, don't pay tax for roads"
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 11:05 PM
Jul 2021

He said this as I was riding in his car. I liked him and usually he was much more intelligent than this.

I asked if he meant gas tax.
He said he did.
Real smart assed like I paused and said “Bikes don’t use gas”

He started laughing. At himself.

hunter

(38,309 posts)
3. Damn, what next? People quit eating factory farm meat?
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 11:09 PM
Jul 2021

Entire anaerobic ecosystems will collapse if there's no cheap bacon!

Gaugamela

(2,496 posts)
6. The bicycle isn't the death of the planet, by this argument. But it's one nail in the coffin
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 11:24 PM
Jul 2021

of the status quo planet killing political-economy, i.e. fossil fuels and its obsolescent infrastructure.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
7. Here in California, and probably elsewhere in these great United States...
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 11:24 PM
Jul 2021

many (or possibly even most?) people who own bicycles transport them by car to the point from which they intend to begin their two-wheeled journey, which is almost invariably of a recreational or fitness-related nature. Utility cyclists, who ride a bike for any distance that doesn't absolutely require a car, are rare in the USA; Americans view bikes as either toys for children, or sporting equipment, but not as actual transportation. (And I live in what is supposed to be one of the more cycling-friendly areas of the US.)

Lonestarblue

(9,967 posts)
30. Actually, here in Austin a lot of people commute via bike.
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 08:59 PM
Jul 2021

The city is quite bike friendly, and many streets have bike lanes.

ProfessorGAC

(64,990 posts)
31. That Seems Fair
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:05 PM
Jul 2021

I only use mine to go to the supermarket on our side of the river, or to the pharmacy.
If I can't easily put stuff in a modest backpack, I'm not biking there.
I could ride to the other supermarket or pharmacy, but I don't think I ever have.
But I don't use it, for instance, to travel the 18 miles to a doctor appointment, or 10 miles to substitute in another town. (I do ride it to the HS here in town. For the Jr Hi, I walk as it's only 4 blocks.)
I know nobody who uses it as regular transportation, such as going back & forth to work.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
35. Having a rack and panniers and fenders makes a huge difference
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 10:14 PM
Jul 2021

I have a Dutch "trekking bike" that came supplied with all of the above plus a dynamo hub and lights; having panniers means the bike can carry the load instead of me doing it, fenders mean I don't get a wet stripe of filthy water up my back if it rains, and a chainguard means I can ride it in jeans or khakis without having to stuff my trouser cuff into a sock or use trouser clips (also no chain tattoo on my leg). It's pretty much ideal for the sort of riding I mostly do, which is generally within a 5 mile radius with occasional excursions out to about 15 miles (this is in coastal Santa Barbara County, which is relatively bike-friendly as the US goes; lots of on-street bike lanes, a few separated bike paths, plenty of spaces in town to lock up, etc).

ProfessorGAC

(64,990 posts)
41. Advantages Here
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 12:44 PM
Jul 2021

I live in the older part of a town of 6,000. There's lots of uncongested side street routes, at least on this side of the river.
I agree on the chain guard. As to fenders, if it's raining I either take the car, or I pull the retired guy trick of deciding to not go anywhere! LOL!

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

brush

(53,764 posts)
22. You just have to avoid getting hit by cars. A Jets coach just got killed...
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 03:59 AM
Jul 2021

riding his bike a couple of days ago. And former NBA center Mark Eaton suffered the same fate a few months ago.

Celerity

(43,296 posts)
26. no and I actually did find this bloke (not saying he wrote the info btw)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:11 AM
Jul 2021
he is not a CEO at all

he is a Trade Finance Specialist at Euro Exim Bank, NOT the Exim Bank of India

that fact check fucked up and looked at the wrong bank (idiots!)

They looked at the giant Indian state-run Exim

https://www.eximbankindia.in/

About

Export-Import Bank of India (Exim Bank) was set up in 1982 by an Act of Parliament for financing, facilitating and promoting India’s foreign trade.

The Bank provides financial as well as value-added services to Indian exporters. Assistance is given to export-oriented units (EOUs) by way of term loans in Indian rupees or foreign currencies for setting up new production facilities, expansion/modernization or upgradation of existing facilities and for acquisition of production equipment or technology. The Bank lays special emphasis on extension of Lines of Credit to overseas entities, national governments, regional financial institutions and commercial banks. The Bank extends Buyers’ credit and Suppliers’ credit to finance and promote India’s exports and also has a programme called the Buyer’s Credit under National Export Insurance Account (NEIA) to facilitate medium and long term exports from India.


Euro Exim is small private bank

https://www.euroeximbank.com/index.php



https://twitter.com/sanjaythakrar12



https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-sanjay-thakrar-717689b6/



he posts quasi inspirational stuff on his FB too

https://www.facebook.com/sanjay.thakrar1/about

I even found a 2016 PDF that has him in it (that fact check site should pay me!)





I think what happened was someone saw his post of this (that maybe was similar to the social media posts) and concocted a tale that he was the CEO and told that to a board meeting or something

who knows

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,463 posts)
10. I walk everywhere
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 12:01 AM
Jul 2021

Not all that healthy. But I walk. Can't afford a car insurance tags etc.
Don't know how to drive. I cannot wait for the end of car culture

enid602

(8,610 posts)
12. "Pedestrians don't even buy bicycles."
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 12:24 AM
Jul 2021

But they do buy expensive athletic shoes, Dr Scholls Orthotics, Ben Gay, Salon Pas pads, special socks for plantar fasciitis and Achilles tendon and visits to the podiatrist. Trust me, I know. I've logged 2450 miles since 3/17/20.

House of Roberts

(5,168 posts)
13. From the sound of this, cyclists have more disposable income.
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 12:28 AM
Jul 2021

They could contribute more to their 401k, and help juice the markets. That's always welcome to the Wall Street crowd, and results in the only kind of inflation they like.

Old Crank

(3,566 posts)
14. This
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 12:31 AM
Jul 2021

Has been around for a while. Pretty funny.
I once showed a coworker that he could save money and buy a new commuting bike once a year while working at Stanford. Just ride in two times per week and sell the bike every year. There would be essentially no maintenance costs and the Cost of his car operation per the IRS along with Stanford percs.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
17. False quote but there's no reason not to re-engineer it into a true one.
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 01:30 AM
Jul 2021

There's enough truth in it that it can and should be reworked so that it cannot simply be dismissed as a false quote.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
18. Me waiting
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 01:32 AM
Jul 2021

For the disability activists to chime in on the idea of biking and walking being universally preferable to motor vehicles.

Me waiting for the materials experts to let us know the true environmental costs of biking and walking.



Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
19. It certainly spells the end of the current economic paradigm.
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 01:34 AM
Jul 2021

Which needs to die anyway.

We need to move past the consumer based economy, which is based on making, buying, and discarding more and more stuff.

Endless growth on a finite planet is an impossibility, and trying to maintain it will lead to catastrophe.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
39. Yours is the correct response to the article cited.
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 01:04 AM
Jul 2021

Most of the responses here (and the limited grasp of most Americans) are based in a car-centric world that’s all they’ve ever known. The assertion is true, in that “the planet” runs on money.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
21. Not in the US . In the US they are more likely to buy overpriced organic and other foods considered
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 01:35 AM
Jul 2021

healthy . They are more likely to travel for vacations so they would use a vehicle in that case including cars, and planes .

They are more likely to pay for nutritionists and fitness trainers .

The ones that regularly go to mcdonalds tend to be poorer and out of shape and less likely to seek medical care until things get so bad it can be too late.

So you can have a sustainable and CLEAN economy and environment .

ExciteBike66

(2,326 posts)
23. Oh boy...
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 06:42 AM
Jul 2021

"On the contrary, every new McDonald's restaurant creates at least 30 jobs: ... Choose carefully: cyclist or McDonald's? It is worth considering."

Until you saturate the market, then a new McDonalds would just start cannibalizing sales from the established ones (and other similar restaurants).

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
24. Love my bicycle. Everytime I ride it to the grocery store, the library, the PO,
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 08:16 AM
Jul 2021

the Doctor's office, the hardware store, a hiking trail, etc, I smile, thinking about how I'm not polluting the world by driving a car, and getting healthy exercise at the same time. It's quiet and clean, requires very little maintenance, and I don't need to pay any fees to use it.

I live in a valley outside of a one horse town that is relatively flat, and is a perfect place to use a bike for transportation. I have a large basket on the front of my bike and saddlebags on the back for hauling groceries and other items. During this pandemic more and more people are walking and/or riding their bikes for exercise and going to places of commerce here.

Yavin4

(35,432 posts)
27. Car-dependent communities are unhealthy for humans.
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:14 AM
Jul 2021

Both mentally and physically. It's been a disaster of epic proportions.

bucolic_frolic

(43,123 posts)
28. Well ... shoes and tires, maintenance and replacement parts.
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 08:26 PM
Jul 2021

It ain't much but it's not nothing. Plus there are bicycle accidents, and lots of clothing.

Woodwizard

(841 posts)
32. I used to bike to work on occasion.
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:06 PM
Jul 2021

It took planning it was 20 miles and over a mountain I did it for the challenge it was really fun on night shift, I also drove so I paid road taxes. I still bike a lot but it is for exercise my workshop is 100 feet from the house now.

Roy Rolling

(6,911 posts)
36. He's right
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 10:37 PM
Jul 2021

It’s all in the context. His planet is a candy store of resources to exploit for the enrichment of a few. In reality, resources are finite, they belong to us all, and exploitation is wrong. He lives in a dream world.

That dream world—the American dream—is unsustainable for everyone on the whole planet to participate. The whole world cannot be as wasteful and exploitive like American capitalists. That America will die without more bicyclists.

And with more bicyclists, new technologies for bicycle paths will be an economic thing, and other things related to a lifestyle of non-exploitation. The times, they are a-changin’.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
37. Currently recovering from a serious bicycle accident - this is ironic.
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 10:40 PM
Jul 2021

I broke my femur in a horrific bike accident on June 29th. I've accumulated thousands in hospital bills. Who says cyclists don't contribute to the economy!

FYI - I'm doing OK but not great. I hope that I'll be walking almost normally in a month or so.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
40. I'm so sorry to hear about your accident!
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 01:28 AM
Jul 2021

How awful! I hope you aren't in too much pain. Bone breaks are so incredibly painful - I know from experience. Are you getting physical therapy? It really helps with regaining mobility. I needed someone else to push me through the pain, it was too hard to do it alone.

I hope you feel better soon and have a speedy and complete recovery!

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
42. Thanks
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 12:46 PM
Jul 2021

Yes, I'm getting PT. I had a complication. I had a PVC blood clot in my leg which my PT caught. She saw me and realized things weren't right so she sent me to get an ultrasound. The ultrasound found the clots and I spent the day in the ER but got discharged late in the afternoon with a new program of blood thinners. I'm going to see my PT again on Monday and thank her for her great diagnostic.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
45. Feeling much better!
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 10:22 PM
Jul 2021

I'm walking today without my cane around the house and I think the symptoms of the clots have dissipated so yah!

Love your avatar! Makes me think I'm going to adopt when I get ready in a couple of weeks.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
46. Oh good! I am glad you are feeling better!
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 10:28 PM
Jul 2021

And also glad you are thinking of adopting. Goldens are the sweetest most loving dogs in the world (IMHO).

It's funny, but my old avatar used to be your current one!

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
43. False argument.
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 12:51 PM
Jul 2021

Very few people in the west bike instead of drive. Nearly everyone with a bike owns a vehicle with a bike rack.

Consumerism wise, they are buying MORE than people who do not bike.

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