Pfizer only 39% effective against Delta, per Israeli study

[Laura PourMeADrink]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delta-variant-pfizer-covid-vaccine-39percent-effective-in-israel-prevents-severe-illness.html

Israel says Pfizer Covid vaccine is just 39% effective as delta spreads, but still prevents severe illness

The two-dose vaccine still works very well in preventing people from getting seriously sick, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness, according to the Israeli data

[mucifer]

1. Hopefully it's more effective than that against long covid. It seems asymptomatic covid is thru the

roof.

[SheltieLover]

2. That is the # I want to see!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

12. More from Israeli study

Link to tweet

?s=20

[SheltieLover]

15. Yup!

Glad you are watching Dr. Ding!!!

Ty!

[Tadpole Raisin]

18. Yah I'll sign up for that booster

The Israeli studies are supposed to be pretty darn good.

Whenever they approve the booster I’ll be in line and I’ll continue to use masks when going out. Thank goodness I don’t live in a state where you are harassed for wearing a mask.

[brush]

17. Yesterday there was a post that said it was 88% effective.

The jury is still out. That Israeli reports seems low.

[Bonn1997]

27. That's my concern too!

The media still rarely discusses that.

[TheBlackAdder]

3. I saw there was a British Health report that just being vaccinated, Delta better controlled.

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You have to check out the additional findings that follow the pages I being at, such as the UK report Page 38-39 and more.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15631125

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[RockRaven]

4. By tomorrow or the next day there will be articles comparing this study and the 88% study, and

it would be a good idea to wait until there are laymen's versions of getting into the weeds of the data of each study before one propagates this catchy headline too far.

If two studies purporting to test the same thing give results as different as 39% and 88%, then there is a lot of explaining to do.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

5. Would imagine there are different efficacies based on who

you studied. And the prevalence of the infected.

Israel was supposed to be a shining light wasn't it? If they are saying efficacy is lower. That is scary.

Guess we are down to getting ill but not dying. Great.

[TreasonousBastard]

6. If true, and it seems to be so far, that is great. Personally, given the choice, I'd much prefer...

getting a mild case of the flu to possible death.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

7. Duh. Of course. But don't want it or any form of it at all.

[TreasonousBastard]

8. Well, of course. If we have that choice.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

10. Guess we don't have that choice. Unless we want to stay

hermits. This seems like last year all over again. Sorry but WTF

[GulfCoast66]

13. I never thought that was the goal of the vaccine.

If it means getting Covid feels like a cold or mild flu if showing any symptoms at all, that works for me.

The only numbers I care about is the percentage in the hospitals who are vaccinated. It is very small. 2-4 % and most of them with other serious issues. And that with over half of Americans vaccinated.

Well, I also care deeply about the percentage vaccinated. If we had 85% this would be over. But unfortunately 25-35% will never get it. And they will continue to die.

In many states none of the people now actually dying are vaccinated.

[SheltieLover]

16. I don't want long haul

And that does occur with asymptomatic & mild cases!

[Tadpole Raisin]

20. Yes - if the 39% only meant

That you got COVID with no or minimal symptoms after getting the Pfizer vaccine I might be ok with that BUT I worked with people who only had a mild case of polio (hey no big deal, dodged that bullet!) and then decades later they developed post polio syndrome.

Oh crap!

I won’t be around decades from now to see that but this virus is wiley and although I’m not running down the streets or panicking, continuing to use a mask is so easy and effortless it is a no brainer for me.

I don’t know much but I know there are 2 diseases that can come back later to bite you in the bum: polio (almost essentially eradicated thanks to a VACCINE! - ty Jonas Salk) and chicken pox re: shingles.

This bugger virus feels like it will be another one.

[SheltieLover]

28. Never heard of post-lpolio syndrome

So sad.

I couldn't agree with you more TR!

This is a really insiduous disease.

To me, masking & social distancing are a teeny price to pay to protect my health.

[MisterNiceKitty]

30. true - I noticed that

Israel seems to be reporting a consistent decline in the Pfizer vaccine effectiveness from 94% to 64% and now 39%.
What happens when the effectiveness reaches zero?

For now the counter is: the vaccinated do get covid but don't get too sick.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

9. My son is in the pfzier trial

He has been asked to participate in a new pfzier booster trial. He has an appointment next week.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

11. That's fantastic!

[GulfCoast66]

14. Good for him. I hope you tell him he is a hero in his own way.

[Hortensis]

26. Glad to hear. All the best to him, of course.

[thucythucy]

19. Maybe it's my deficiency in math, but

how can the vaccine be 88% effective against hospitalization and yet be 91% against "severe illness."

I would think any illness serious enough to warrant hospitalization is by definition "serious."

So what is it with that 3%? People ill enough to be hospitalized but yet somehow not "severely" ill?

What am I missing here?

[LisaL]

23. It's the other way around.

Vaccine is less effective against hospitalization than severe illness.
Which means some people who were hospitalized didn't have severe illness.

[thucythucy]

25. But that's my point.

The article as I read it says the vaccine is 91% effective against severe illness, but only 88% effective against hospitalization.

Doesn't that mean that only 9% of people who were vaccinated become severely ill, while 12% of the same population get hospitalized due to the virus?

Maybe it has to do with the definition of "severe illness" or something. It still seems strange though.

[LisaL]

29. Some people who were hospitalized were not severely ill.

You don't need to be severely ill to be hospitalized (at least in Israel). Maybe some were hospitalized for observation.

[thucythucy]

34. Okay, I guess that makes sense.

Thank you for your patience.

[Mariana]

33. You have to see how they define "severe illness".

For the purposes of the study, they might define it differently than you do.

[Scrivener7]

21. What is going ON in Israel??

[mucifer]

22. Probably a lot more covid testing than in the USA. I think when we get colds or sinus headaches

we aren't testing for covid.

[LisaL]

24. We certainly aren't testing as much as some other countries.

In UK, people can get multiple free covid tests shipped to them.
I am guessing in Israel they also test a lot more asymptomatic people than we do.

[Tennessee Hillbilly]

31. U.S. news media keeps reporting that...

about 95% of hospitalized covid patients are un-vaccinated. These are "real world" results for what is happening to millions of Americans. To me, this indicates that the vaccines are providing excellent protection against serious illness.

[LisaL]

32. Israel still saw decent protection against hospitalization.

One of the fears is that vaccine became less efficient with time.