So this guy is now claming he has mental problems?

[Botany]

Fuck him. Lock him up anyway.

Exclusive: 'QAnon Shaman' in plea negotiations after mental health diagnosis

WASHINGTON, July 23 (Reuters) - The participant in the Jan. 6 U.S. Capitol riots nicknamed the "QAnon Shaman" is negotiating a possible plea deal with prosecutors, after prison psychologists found he suffers from a variety of mental illnesses, his attorney said.

In an interview, defense lawyer Albert Watkins said that officials at the federal Bureau of Prisons, or BOP, have diagnosed his client Jacob Chansley with transient schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression and anxiety.

snip

Chansley is one of the most recognizable of the hundreds of Donald Trump supporters who stormed the Capitol after the then-president in a fiery speech falsely claimed that his November election defeat was the result of fraud.

Chansley, of Arizona, was photographed inside the Capitol wearing a horned headdress, shirtless and heavily tattooed. He is a supporter of the QAnon conspiracy theory that casts Trump as a savior figure and elite Democrats as a cabal of Satanist pedophiles and cannibals.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-qanon-shaman-plea-negotiations-after-mental-health-diagnosis-lawyer-2021-07-23/

[marble falls]

1. It's just a simple case of "Shaman, heal thryself!" ...

... who in the world would think this guy is fucking nuts?



"What? Me Worry?"

[samnsara]

9. not a sane one in the bunch.. the sane peeps peeled themselves away a long time ago

..leaving the dregs

[PatSeg]

10. And the Trump era gave them permission

to act out all their crazy. Before they had to keep the nuttery in the closet.

[marble falls]

11. You're right. The other goofs in that photo are not particulatly sane seeming.

[certainot]

29. prior that ignorant twit reagan they might have gotten help before doing this shit

[hatrack]

56. Ah, yes, the guy on the right who wore his work ID on a lanyard while sacking the Capitol . ..

Real MENSA material there.

[Eyeball_Kid]

38. The fascist barbarians used these nutbags for cover.

The paramilitary "forces" were truly after murdering members of Congress and Pence. They weren't joking. People like the shaman were convenient distractions, as circus acts. We should not be fooled. There were fascist traitors who lead the break-in of the Capitol Building, and they acted at Trump's command. Distractions won't alter that truth.

[Rhiannon12866]

2. I could have told that just from the photo...

[UpInArms]

3. His attorney is a liar

"What we've done is we've taken a guy who is unarmed, harmless, peaceful ... with a pre-existing mental vulnerability of significance, and we've rendered him a chocolate soup mess," Watkins said.

He had a spear … using it as a flagpole …

[Claire Oh Nette]

52. and what, exactly, is this?

"a chocolate soup mess"

[HAB911]

4. DUH

They will all try the insanity defense I betcha

[gab13by13]

6. They probably are all insane,

but they should still know right from wrong.

[certainot]

32. it's called sex on the wrong brain. trump has it really bad, and they love him for it.

the problem is that human societies have evolved around it so the fear/intolerance of uncertainty and irrational need for certainty to the point of having to deny reality in order to create it is basically normal

[I_UndergroundPanther]

54. Stop labeling these assholes

As mentally ill

They are evil.

[3Hotdogs]

5. He was formally diagnosed as nuts after evaluation by the prison psychologist.

This is different than the guy who goes in court and claims temporary stress or whatever.

[Midnight Writer]

24. That is a claim made by his lawyer outside of court. I would want to see documentation on that.

The lawyer knows his client is in a tough legal spot, and so is trying the case in the press.

It's like Bill Barr. Come out ahead of the facts, make a splashy claim, let it simmer, then when the real story comes out months later the early story is already baked into people's minds.

Maybe he is insane. But I will wait for an official "second opinion" released from someone other than his lawyer.

[wryter2000]

33. One hopes the psychiatrist is savvy

A professional with a lot of prison experience can detect malingering pretty easily. More naive ones get fooled.

[Midnight Writer]

35. True. Recall Ed Kemper left a severed head in his car while he met with his court appointed psych.

And the psych evaluated him favorably.

[Eyeball_Kid]

42. It doesn't matter.

The real danger that existed during the 1/6 insurrection wasn't with the guy in the bull horns. It was with the armored forces who led the break-in and hunted for Congress people, and the Vice President, to kill. The others were responsible for breaking and entering, and to disrupt the business of the country, but they were not the tip of the spear. Trump led the insurrection. He was trying to hand on to the presidency with every tool he could muster. He used the Proud Boys and the other groups to act as his insurgent army. Whether the DOJ has the courage to prosecute Trump and his subordinates remains to be seen, but it's essential for the nation that the DOJ proceed aggressively with its mission, with no exceptions for those in high office. The nation as a whole demands that the DOJ show no favoritism, no deference to the powerful and the wealthy. All of them must be held to account, or Merrick Garland will fail miserably in HIS mission.

[barbtries]

30. to my knowledge

the diagnosis did not include that he was not responsible for his crimes or incapable of understanding the charges against him and helping his own defense?

many less than sane people psychiatrically are still deemed legally sane for the purpose of answering for their crimes.

[stopdiggin]

40. quite true. what they are probably going for here

is some type of 'diminish responsibility' - and not the classic (an rarely used, and even more rarely successful) 'not guilty, by reason .. '

[abqtommy]

7. Every judge has the option to confine the mentally ill defendant either in jail/prison or a

secure mental health facility. Buh-bye, Q-Boy.

[Celerity]

12. Secure mental facility works for me. I do think he is mentally fucked up.

Hopefully someone can help him whilst he serves time. I do not get the unreachable raging Nazi vibe off him like I do most of the other scum.

[samnsara]

8. there are special places for the criminally insane...

..mommy has enabled her little boy long enough..

[Paladin]

13. Just watch as this "crazy" person gets wealthy...

...with book deals, celebrity appearances, etc. etc. etc. Yeah, he's "crazy"...all the way to the fucking bank.

[Sympthsical]

14. My surprised face

And no, not "Lock him up anyway."

Do we only care about mental illness when it affects people whose politics we share?

Confinement and treatment will do for him.

At least, if we are who we keep saying we are.

[Botany]

17. I wonder what % of people that are currently incarcerated have mental conditions?

[Sympthsical]

19. Quite a few

Doesn't make it ok.

As I said, do our own principles stop when we hate someone?

Not very decent of us.

Not really principles then, either.

[MLAA]

25. Agree

[stopdiggin]

45. 100%

primitive - not very scientific - and not very principled

[Treefrog]

46. Sadly, hypocrisy is not unknown around these parts.

Smh.

[Devil Child]

27. +1 Sympthsical n/t

[tavernier]

15. Trumpies have mental problems?

What a shock.

[Brother Mythos]

16. Fine. Then lock him up in a place for the criminally insane.

Works for me.

[Mr. Ected]

18. If his mental illness diagnosis allows him to essentially walk from the charges

He should also be forbidden to profit from any of the events of 1/6 in any way, shape or form, nor should he be able to make any television or podcast appearances that in any way reference his participation in that day of treason.

Fool me once, shaman you. Fool me twice, shaman me.

[bottomofthehill]

20. Welcome to Saint Elizabeths, your room mate will be John Hinklyy

Your incarceration will be until you are sane enough to stand trial for your crimes, Your roommate John has been here since the 80’s

[bottomofthehill]

21. Many people in jail suffer from these same issues

The question is, is he able to stand trial, if not able to take responsibility for his actions, then he should be institutionalized until such time that he is not a danger to society.

Fuck him

[SoCalDavidS]

22. I'm Awaiting The Probation Sentence

Because this is America, and there is No Accountability for something as insignificant as Sedition.

[flying_wahini]

23. Even if he is mental, so what? Keep his ass locked up receiving treatment.

No excuses.

[DFW]

26. If Republicanitis is a communicable disease, he needs to be isolated.

And from the sound of things, he has infected a few thousand people already.

[Marcuse]

28. He should receive psychiatric treatment until he is competent to face charges.

If found not guilty due to mental illness, he should get the Chapman/Hinckley treatment.

[bucolic_frolic]

31. "officials" made the diagnosis

Let's get some heavy cred psychiatric evaluations before we accept observations as a diagnosis

[Ferrets are Cool]

34. All trumpers could use this defense.

[Escurumbele]

44. The sad thing is that they would be right...They are all nuts.

[zanana1]

36. WTH is "transient schizophrenia?

[dhol82]

39. That was my first question.

[Escurumbele]

43. Here it is...It is a real thing, but on that guy? I don't know.

Acute and transient psychotic disorder (ATPD) defined by ICD-10 (World Health Organization) characterized by acute onset (no greater than 2 weeks from first appearance of symptoms to full disorder) of hallucinations, delusions, and/or incomprehensible or incoherent speech...


[link:https://oxfordmedicine.com/view/10.1093/med/9780199696758.001.0001/med-9780199696758-chapter-81|

[I_UndergroundPanther]

55. I am not sure that exists

There is transient psychosis .

He's not mentally ill

He is an asshole.

[Escurumbele]

41. I don't doubt he and the others are nuts, or maybe just lack critical thinking abilities, but this

guy first complained about the food at the prison, because he only eats organic food...Come on, what kind of food did that guy expect to have at the prison? And who says that criminals have to catered to? "Would you like to see the menu sir?" Give me a break.

I would also like to see the results of the psychiatrist examination. I think this guy is working towards an Oscar nomination.

[malaise]

47. Duh!

[Hulk]

48. Sounds pretty much like my 85 yr old sister..

And to a somewhat lesser degree, all the rest of my cult acquaintances.

[Justice matters.]

49. Q for Qrazy.

"Q(razy) SENT ME"

Houston, we have a problem...

[twodogsbarking]

50. They can give them the help he needs in prison.

Paid for by the government he tried to overthrow.

[Lord Ludd]

51. Please don't squeeze the Shaman

[I_UndergroundPanther]

53. I have mental illness

And had no desire to storm the capital.

Lock that malingering asshole up.
Fuck him.