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H2O Man

(73,525 posts)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 06:51 PM Jul 2021

Three Seats

"Since I've been writing to Pat, and he asked me not to let this prison explode, I've stepped forward and took control of the jail. Something that I never wanted to do, and of which is very dangerous to me ..... and now I am the director of the Rahway Prisoners Council on Penal Reform. So id tou and Pat and perhaps Russell P. really want to come into this pris"Since I've been writing to Pat, and he asked me not to let this prison explode, I stepped on and see what it is like ..... we can arrange a day in the near future. What the hell! If I can't come to you -- you come to me."
-- Rubin "Hurricane" Carter; letter to my brother Tom; 1974


I sat out at the edge of my lawn, and looked at where days of hard rain had created several streams. The water table has been full, and numerous springs on the hill behind me were gurgling, the fields saturated, and the run-off depositing deltas of organic materials on my lawn. These will soon be added to my compost pile for future gardens.

One of the streams that has run down near my driveway when the winter snows melt as long as I've lived here had cut a new channel the night before. It ran right into my garage, then a storage room, and next a gym, before starting to enter my kitchen. The rain was coming down at more than two inches per hour. My younger son had stopped in to use the gym, and was a tad surprised when he opened the door from the kitchen. He and his brother re-channeled the stream, then bailed out well over 150 gallons of water.

Both boys kept telling me to go sit down every time I attempted to help. Eventually I could actually feel the wisdom of their advice in my lower back and legs. While there is absolutely no scientific evidence proving my theory, I think all of this could be somehow related to my needing crutches today, and why I am limited primarily to sitting and thinking. I'm not even capable of bending down to feed the pride of neighborhood cats and kittens who hang out in my garage. I am thankful for my sons assistance.

Local communities located on the river flats had significany damage resulting from the rain and flooding. Bridges on the highways were washed out. While not as severe as the two major "floods of a century" in less than twenty years, it again shows that the environment is changing -- which implies that human behaviors must change if we are to adopt to climate change.



Next, I sit on a rock-solid stone wall on the other side of my house. The Guinea fowl and assortment of chickens gather in front of me, anticipating the bread I feed them for their mid-day snack. One rooster, who follows me like a dog on those days I can walk around, does the infamous sideways shuffle around each handful I toss on the ground. Only a young banty rooster -- clearly a game cock -- stands up to him. The rest of the flock moves like a school of fish, almost as an individual organism. I am fascinated between the similarities between the birds and the sick republicans inhabiting our towns and cities.

When feelings of anger, anxiety, and fear saturate the minds of human beings -- when they experience an inability to exercise any wholesome control over events that flood their lives, the result can be a prison riot like Rubin experienced in Trenton, or the freaks invading DC on January 6. What primitive brain function transforms humans in the manner that certain species of grasshoppers turn into locusts? To be convinced that aggression and weapons provide the best insurance of survival when the social environment changes? To draw a disturbed man from the security of his mother's home, to don a cheap and insulting version of a holy man's ceremonial outfit that Edward Sheriff Curtis photographed a century ago? What motivates a person to believe that will give him an honored status on January 6, when it could only identify him as severally disturbed?

Spending so many hours sitting provides me ample opportunity to think about these things. I remember a clip from Lawrence O'Donnell on "The Last Word," reporting on Trump's ugly rant at a prayer breakfast (see below). Perhaps that single clip provides the evidence I seek. For it is hatred that turns fear and ignorance into the locust rage.





I decide to go out to the pond, to make sure the western bank held up to the rain. Navigating on crutches becomes more difficult as I make my way through an area that in normal times is a swamp. As I get to the chair at the water's edge, I can see my own reflection on the pond's surface. The pond is in fine shape, and the fish that felt the vibrations from my steps gather in front of me, eager for the food they associate with my being there. It takes time for my eyes to adjust so I can see the fish at various depths in the water. But the cedar rocking chair my son has placed there for me is comfortable.

It was while sitting near water that Onondaga Nation Chief Paul Waterman would speak to me about past events in Iroquois history, when his ancestors' ancestors experienced phases where the social order faltered. These periods were marked by violence that pitted tribe against tribe, leading to clan against clan. Around 450 ad, the second Iroquois prophet, known as the Peace Maker, reached out to the leaders of various groups, and taught cooperation's advantages over conflict. This included ceremonies that were highlighted by burying weapons of war under white pines, leading to the saying about burying the hatchet.

When Rubin was running for the director's position of the inmates' council, he approached the leaders of the various groups of inmates with a similar message. As director, he got concerned people, including state politicians and forensic psychologists, to visit Rahway. In my files, I have a lot of the paperwork he sent me copies of back in 1974. With the cooperation of the leaders of the inmate factions, they gathered weapons from inmates, and turned them over to the administration. As a direct result, he was sent to the notorious Vroom Psychiatrict Building, as in a sick environment, few good actions go unpunished.

In his second book, Rubin noted that as a young man, he had favored the Malcolm X approach to that of Martin Luther King. By now, however, he understood that King had demonstrated the correct path to resolving social conflict. We used to have long, late night phone conversations about King's using three of the Greek words for "love," for Martin was as human as any of us, and is known to have made hilarious jokes about some of his opposition, most famously Eugene "Bull" Connor.

King was not talking about "love" in the sense of one's partner, nor of the type we feel for other realtives and friends. Rather, he advocated for a general love of humankind, and a recognition that people ruled by hatred are victims of their own ignorance. That hatred and the related negative emotions are parasites that eat upon one's good qualities. And that would be the message that Rubin sought to spread in his second life.

Storm clouds begin coming in from the western sky. Using my crutches, I stand up and take a last quick look at my reflection on the pond's surface. The rain begins to fall as I am struggling to get by the swamp's edge. I laugh to myself, and remember that Rubin dedicated his second book to every human being who bravely looks within to try to heal without.

Peace,
H2O Man
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Three Seats (Original Post) H2O Man Jul 2021 OP
Do the three words that make up the Greek word for love equal your three seats? CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2021 #1
In this instance, H2O Man Jul 2021 #2
Beautiful my brother malaise Jul 2021 #3
Thank you! H2O Man Jul 2021 #6
It is important that we laugh at everything we take for granted malaise Jul 2021 #8
True! H2O Man Jul 2021 #18
Thank you H20! 7wo7rees Jul 2021 #4
Thanks, Ms. TwoTrees! H2O Man Jul 2021 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author 7wo7rees Jul 2021 #5
Perhaps one day our nation will embrace a UpInArms Jul 2021 #7
If I believed H2O Man Jul 2021 #11
I thought she was the embodiment UpInArms Jul 2021 #13
Right. H2O Man Jul 2021 #16
It is the world UpInArms Jul 2021 #17
Exactly! H2O Man Jul 2021 #21
K&R Docreed2003 Jul 2021 #10
Thanks! H2O Man Jul 2021 #14
Especially good essay today. panader0 Jul 2021 #12
Beautiful! H2O Man Jul 2021 #15
Nice malaise Jul 2021 #19
Back atcha mal. panader0 Jul 2021 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Jul 2021 #20
K&R AZProgressive Jul 2021 #23
Oh, heck yes! H2O Man Jul 2021 #24
Because of you, finally ... Hekate Jul 2021 #25
I think that H2O Man Jul 2021 #28
Given the times we're in, this and you represent our souls well. Thank you. ancianita Jul 2021 #26
Thank you! H2O Man Jul 2021 #29
I really enjoyed this. I'm in a mood and it snapped me out of it mountain grammy Jul 2021 #27
And thank you, my Friend! H2O Man Jul 2021 #30
Thanks for the reminder, my good H2O Man. Martin Eden Jul 2021 #31
Thanks, Martin. H2O Man Jul 2021 #32
In terms of common interests -- what truly impacts our lives -- Martin Eden Jul 2021 #35
Outstanding! H2O Man Jul 2021 #38
Thank You Martin Eden Jul 2021 #39
Great post malaise Jul 2021 #42
Would You Mind Directing Me To The Long & Boring Piece Me. Jul 2021 #33
Ha! H2O Man Jul 2021 #34
Pain is truly hard to accept! lunatica Jul 2021 #36
I saw that H2O Man Jul 2021 #37
Pain is definitely tyrannical in its effects lunatica Jul 2021 #40
You Know I'm Surprised You Haven't Done Piece On Anti-Vaxxers Me. Jul 2021 #41
Although it is H2O Man Jul 2021 #44
Done Me. Jul 2021 #46
K&R MustLoveBeagles Jul 2021 #43
Thanks! H2O Man Jul 2021 #45

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,560 posts)
1. Do the three words that make up the Greek word for love equal your three seats?
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 07:02 PM
Jul 2021

I am trying to figure out your ultimate message here, my dear H20 Man.

I certainly agree that people ruled by hatred are victims of their own ignorance, but they cling to that ignorance, that hatred, as though those were holy. How do we change that?

Education; better parents; a better society.

I always enjoy your essays, even when I don't completely get them. Do keep writing!

H2O Man

(73,525 posts)
2. In this instance,
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 07:16 PM
Jul 2021

I think the essay's title is actually the product of my concrete thinking. I was getting tired of & from listening to myself writing this (grin), and couldn't think much beyond where I had been sitting in three spots on my land. I wish that I had intended some deeper meaning regarding the optics from the three words that King often focused on, but I suppose I am too simple-minded!

malaise

(268,847 posts)
3. Beautiful my brother
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 07:17 PM
Jul 2021

Hate kills within and without

Hope you're moving around without those crutches soon and very soon.

H2O Man

(73,525 posts)
6. Thank you!
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 07:20 PM
Jul 2021

I've been able to walk on my own today. Just trying to not over-do it. Laughing like a dang fool when I remember taking walking dor granted! At least my mood is good!

malaise

(268,847 posts)
8. It is important that we laugh at everything we take for granted
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 07:29 PM
Jul 2021

Aging makes fools of all of us and yet we are lucky to be alive with all the injuries that we will take to the grave.
It took Hurricane Gilbert to make me understand the value of a glass of cold water and I never took water for granted from that experience in 1988.

H2O Man

(73,525 posts)
18. True!
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 08:08 PM
Jul 2021

There is no better example than a glass of cold, clean water! It is something I think about when storms take the electric out.

Response to H2O Man (Original post)

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
7. Perhaps one day our nation will embrace a
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 07:24 PM
Jul 2021
Marianne Williamson

Williamson has described herself as a "pretty straight-line progressive democrat," supporting an increase of the federal minimum wage to $15 per hour, reducing wealth inequality, addressing climate change, and tackling student loan debt.[31] She backs a "Medicare for All model", Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA), and a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants without a "serious criminal background," and stated that the U.S. needs to be an "honest broker" in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.[1] One of her principal plans is the establishment of a Department of Peace to greatly expand the use of diplomacy, mediation, and educational and economic development.[32] She also voices support for the Green New Deal, stricter gun control, criminal justice reform, improving public education, free college tuition, and raising the top marginal tax rate to a point where high earners pay "their fair share of taxes." She has described her policies as a "renovation" of a "sociopathic economic system" focused on "short-term profit maximization."[5]

Her signature campaign promise is a call for $100 billion in reparations for slavery to be distributed over 10 years by a group of black leaders for selected "economic and education projects,"[5][33] and later suggested distributing $200 to $500 billion on The Breakfast Club,[34] a sum far greater than any other primary contenders support. In doing so, Williamson became the only candidate in the Democratic field to submit a detailed plan for reparations for black Americans, though fellow Democratic presidential candidates Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, and Beto O’Rourke later pledged support for reparations in late February 2019.[35]

H2O Man

(73,525 posts)
11. If I believed
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 07:38 PM
Jul 2021

in coincidence, that would explain my having found a copy of one of Marianne Williamson's books a couple of hours ago .....it was from the mother of my sons, and they kept her library after her death. It was on one of my son's bookshelves. And yesterday, two old friends had visited me; one said that she had been his favorite candidate during the primaries.

H2O Man

(73,525 posts)
16. Right.
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 07:55 PM
Jul 2021

In a very real sense, what she was doing was similar to Rubin's turning in weapons in the prison, or the Peace Maker burying the weapons of war under what is the sacred tree of the Iroquois. She was speaking at a level that some people grasped, and others mistook for unrealistic. Yet it is one option available to humanity today, now. And one might understand it provides the best avenue for getting through the difficulties confronting us.

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
17. It is the world
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 08:00 PM
Jul 2021

I envisioned in the 70s …

Time has proved me so wrong … yet I continue to believe it is possible

H2O Man

(73,525 posts)
21. Exactly!
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 08:16 PM
Jul 2021

I thought for sure that the movements of the 1960s - '70s were going to save the world. And I still know that it was like a premonition of the type of thing we need even more today. I've spoken with four old friends in the past two days, all of whom are stunned at how bad things have gotten. All were local activists back in the day. They agreed that now they are retired, they have the time necessary to invest in social-political activities -- starting with the ground work to prevent republicans from gaining seats in 2022. And that involves focusing on the environmental issues that should unite people .....even though that implies changing lifestyles.

Docreed2003

(16,855 posts)
10. K&R
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 07:37 PM
Jul 2021

Thank you for this H20 Man. Much in this post to ponder and to apply to my own life. I hope your cleanup work goes smoothly and quickly.

H2O Man

(73,525 posts)
14. Thanks!
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 07:49 PM
Jul 2021

I was lucky in that the garage and two rooms flooded are on a concrete slab. The dehumidifier from the gym came in handy! And the water that spilled into the kitchen only required a large arm-load of towels. So I was lucky to not have any real damage. My sons do the clean-up and care of the lawn. With them doing all the work, it gives me time to sit outside and watch them, and maybe pull a few weeds from the garden while I snack on fresh food!

It is a strange time. When I saw the reports of the Q-shaman's mental health deteriorating while he is in solitary, my first response was, "What does he expect?" I think that many of that group should be incarcerated for extended times. But I also remember that Rubin -- a strong individual -- experienced hell in some of his times in solitary. So I think the goof needs to be in a supervised setting at a much higher level than his mom was providing, but perhaps not the same as the leaders of the insurrection.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
12. Especially good essay today.
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 07:45 PM
Jul 2021

When I went to Oregon to work in the woods with my friend, we were able to rent a large old
house on the Warm Springs Reservation. It was right on the huge Deschutes River. Our landlord,
an old Warm Springs Indian, took an immediate shine to me, although he found my friend "dirty".
We spent days with me driving his pickup truck through the forests on the Rez, looking for the
perfect tree to cut for the houses' firewood. What he really wanted was to talk. He was a mentor
and a wise old man, Hiram Smith. His age had forced him to move to his daughter's house in nearby
Madras, off the Reservation. One day at that house he led me to his rooms in the basement where
he had an assortment of a dozen or so fine fishing poles. Pick one he said. I sure caught a lot of trout
with it, but I never understood the depth of what he actually gave me until several years later.

Response to panader0 (Reply #12)

AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
23. K&R
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 08:50 PM
Jul 2021

I always enjoy your OPs and at this point I think you are one of the most progressive posters here. I liked your Critical Rage Theory thread but didn’t log in at the time.

I changed to a more anonymous username but I’m Jon from the Sports forum. I remember you mentioning Rubin ‘Hurricane’ Carter. I also liked your boxing HOF thread.

H2O Man

(73,525 posts)
24. Oh, heck yes!
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 08:59 PM
Jul 2021

We had a lot of discussions on boxing that I always enjoyed!

I liked the Critical Rage Theory, too. One of my friends from the world of boxing recently spoke of it as the republicans having a Critical Racism Theory. I'm impressed by the number of now retired fighters -- several, like him, being ex-champions -- who have become very active politically. I enjoy talking shop with them, as they are progressives. The left-wing of the Democratic Party, generally, with a few further to the left.

Hekate

(90,618 posts)
25. Because of you, finally ...
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:40 PM
Jul 2021

…I just added Rubin Carter to my Amazon book list. I saw there were two by him and several about him. What do you recommend?

And have you ever written a book of your own?

Dear friend, take care of yourself.

H2O Man

(73,525 posts)
28. I think that
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 10:27 PM
Jul 2021

they are all good. Rubin often said that dor the first years he was incarcerated, he was "as angry as a grizzle bear in heat but not getting any." His first book at times shows this. It is, in my opinion, one of the most intense story of the horrors of life in prison, especially for a wrongly-convicted person. The second book came later in life, and is told by a man at peace with himself.

The one by Sam Chaiton & Terry Swinton is a solid telling of Rubin's legal case, and his relationship with the Canadians. Some of the many people involved in supporting and eventually freeing Rubin are left out, and as the movie is based upon their book, it caused some hurt feelings for a few, including the actual legal team.

James Hirsch's book is a great read. He had researched Patterson, NJ's recent history of violence leading up to the brutal crime that Rubin and John Artis would be convicted on. He was very detailed in his examination of the legal case.

Paul Wice's book is okay, although he makes some errors in it. It is certainly of the least value of those I've listed.

There are also a couple books with contributions from Rubin, from "Lock the Lock," to one a Binghamton University professor published on forgiveness. She had contacted me to approach Rubin to see if he would contribute to her book, which he did. I loaned the last copy of it to a friend a few years back, and don't have it back yet. The title was something like "What would you forgive?" -- though I am not sure.

ancianita

(36,014 posts)
26. Given the times we're in, this and you represent our souls well. Thank you.
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:48 PM
Jul 2021

When I read your posts, I'm reminded of how every day I am grateful for the force for good that is the Internet.

H2O Man

(73,525 posts)
29. Thank you!
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 12:14 AM
Jul 2021

There is a heck of a lot of the Good Force, or else -- to paraphrase the late Jim Morrison -- the whole shithouse would have gone up in flames. Our task, as I see it, is to increase that, while decreasing the negative force. No easy task, but not so hard as it will become if we do not.

Lately, talking with old friends, I've been thinking of when two friends and I picked up Chief Waterman, and visited Faith Keeper Oren Lyons at his cabin. My sons were wee-little, and played and ate treats that Oren served them. Then we discussed the traditional roles that various people can play, in an effort to create a synergy that could not only stop the negative in its tracks -- but accomplish good. I remember Oren speaking about combining the Good Force -- including nature -- to improve the quality of life for everyone.

mountain grammy

(26,608 posts)
27. I really enjoyed this. I'm in a mood and it snapped me out of it
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 10:04 PM
Jul 2021

for several minutes as I got lost in your post. Thank you.

I'm sorry that you're having to use crutches today. Hope the rain ends and you get some drier air and fewer aches and pains.

H2O Man

(73,525 posts)
30. And thank you, my Friend!
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 12:23 AM
Jul 2021

It is a time where so many of us feel the pressures of our daily lives. It can be anything and everything from finances, to health issues, to having family members and/or neighbors and co-workers who support Trump. That makes it so important to have some good time daily.

As long as I can get around here, I'm happy. And lucky to have raised children who are better people than me. I am looking forward to some drier weather, though -- I don't need the weather channel for knowing what weather conditions these days, though these old bones might prefer otherwise! (grin)

Martin Eden

(12,862 posts)
31. Thanks for the reminder, my good H2O Man.
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 08:49 AM
Jul 2021

Love and kindness are the keys to unlocking the gates of the prison we find ourselves in. If we let our hearts fill up with hatred, ultimately we will be consumed by it.

I am reminded of the story of the two wolves that live within each of us -- one good, one evil -- in constant battle for control of our soul.

Which one wins?

The one we feed.


Peace,
Martin

H2O Man

(73,525 posts)
32. Thanks, Martin.
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 12:56 PM
Jul 2021

I think it is the way to help to release the other inmates from their shackles, too. It involves a process, I suppose. One of my old co-workers who was once a good Democrat with an open mind, married into a semi-wealthy republican family. Living on a steady diet of Fox News for years changed him in ways that made it difficult for others in the old gang to recognize him. A number of them blocked him on social media. He and I remain close friends, and one of the things that became rather common was to see him debate with my children, both on social media and in person.

Now, all four of my kids are very capable when it comes to debating. One afternoon last summer, when he stopped by to see me, my younger son was here doing yard work for me. Within a short period of time, the two of them were debating politics, so I excused myself. Let them go at it for a while. When they were done, my friend told me he was impressed at how wise my boy was at such a young age. But then he began complaining about the young people in Black Lives Matter and antifa.

I reminded him of our generation's experiences in the 1960s - '70s. We were sincere, which many older people appreciated ..... yet we were self-righteous, and certain that we knew everything, which many older people resented. He agreed, and we shared some old stories and had a good laugh.

In the context of those two wolves, my message to him was that we chose not only which of the two internal ones we feed, but which one we feed in others that we encounter. I live in a very republican area of upstate NY. Registered Democrats are outnumbered by both republicans and independents. Having grown up with these people, I do understand their frustrations with the direction this country is going in. But they have been tricked into believing that it is the non-white people and liberal whites who are the cause of their problems. Most of them view me as a radical leftist, which may or may not be accurate. So my goal is to communicate to them that I'm not their enemy, that we actually still have much in common, but that the forces that are threatening this country are not who they have identified.

It takes patience. But I remember when, in 1973, Rubin told me that with patience, the smallest creature can climb the highest mountain.

Martin Eden

(12,862 posts)
35. In terms of common interests -- what truly impacts our lives --
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 03:07 PM
Jul 2021

-- we have so much more in common with the average Trump voter than any of us have with the One Percenters who have so much influence over government policy and mass media.

We all want (or at least need):

Freedom and the liberties in the Bill of Rights
Security for ourselves and our family
Quality affordable education for reaching our potential
Economic opportunity with fair pay and safe working conditions
Quality affordable healthcare, not financial ruin from medical bills
Clean air, water, and food that doesn't shorten our lives with poisonous toxins

I'm sure there's more.

All are affected by the policies of our government.

In a functional democracy we would have civil fact-based debates in the realm of ideas and practical solutions.

Instead we are at each others throats, raging at each other in the realm of lies, race, and cultural beliefs.

A very great man once said a House divided against itself cannot stand. This still holds true.

I suspect the bitter polarization of the American people is more by intent than any inherent conflicts of interest. We are deliberately being set against each other by those who profit from our political dysfunction. If we could unite in our common cause against the forces that are truly threatening our country, our current nightmare could become something more closely resembling the American Dream.

Common cause requires patience, kindness, and love.

No matter how much we may despise those we've been pitted against.

H2O Man

(73,525 posts)
38. Outstanding!
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 04:29 PM
Jul 2021

This should be an OP for everyone to read. Required reading, in my opinion.

Most of the people in my general (rural) neighborhood live in similar houses, drive similar vehicles, eat similar foods, send our children to the same schools. When I moved here, one of the neighbors who collects guns & bullets would provide meat to the elderly neighbors every fall during deer hunting season.He still plows people's driveways in the winter months. He is reasonable to talk to, although he did vote for Trump twice. I'm not letting that come between us, and neither is he. But there are a few people -- including some I've known since we were kids in school -- who no longer talk to me. I figure they own the problem, not me. I'm still polite when I see them.

About a month ago, one of their dogs came onto my property late at night, tore through a cage, and killed some of my pullets. It is a hostile dog, and was aggressive towards my son when he was running it off my property. One friend advised me to call the local game warden, but I handled it a different way. I called the owner, who lives across the road, who I hadn't spoken to since Trump's election. I said that I don't blame a dog for being tempted to go through what he considered a drive-through to get some chicken tenders. I didn't plan to shoot a dog for being a dog. But I didn't want my birds killed, either. I said that I would leave it up to him to make sure his dog wasn't out at night, to wander onto my property. Since then, he beeps and waves when he drives by. I know that is a small thing, but small things have a way of building up into big things, either positive or negative. It is up to each of us to decide what role we will play.

Martin Eden

(12,862 posts)
39. Thank You
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 05:00 PM
Jul 2021

That means a lot, coming from you.

I wish I had your patience and understanding, but my two wolves are still fighting it out. It's easier to rationalize the need for love and kindness than putting it in practice when confronted with unreasonable people whose own behaviors are causing harm to others.

My general strategy with personal contact is avoidance of politics, unless I'm confident we're on the same wavelength. Born in 1957, I'm a lifelong slowpitch softball player. Prior to bad injuries in 2019 & 2020 I was on a nationally competitive senior tournament team -- mostly white guys in their early-mid 60's. I like my teammates personally and as a group, though no doubt some of them voted for Trump.

Not sure exactly what I'm getting at but when I see the anti-vaxxers, the white supremacists, evangelicals elevating Trump to a cult hero, and the Jan 6 insurrectionists ... the furthest thing from my heart is love and kindness. I can tell myself they're victims of propaganda and their home environment, but at some point an adult has to take personal responsibility for their own words and actions.

I also know that nothing positive is to be gained by venting at these people -- triggering the bad wolf in others.

I'm trying, but it's not easy.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
36. Pain is truly hard to accept!
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 03:48 PM
Jul 2021

I can’t do anything I used to be able to do but on the other hand when I find the comfort zone I can get in my armchair I’m very grateful for the small things that enable me to forget the pain and discomfort. My cat keeps me a lot of company and seems to enjoy curling up on the ottoman next to my feet. I count my blessings because I can create some artwork, read to my heart’s content and binge watch movies and shows of interest.

As a matter of fact yesterday I watched How to become a Tyrant on Netflix which is an excellent limited series about a fictional handbook on how to become a tyrant. It uses Trump’s infamous statement that he alone can fix it and throughout, even though it doesn’t mention Trump’s name you constantly are reminded of him.

It’s a limited series with each program dedicated to a different 20th and 21st Century dictator we know so well. It’s narrated by Peter Drinklage of Game of Throne fame who does an excellent job. There is a lot of very interesting and rare information about each dictator. I will finish watching it today.

We missed out on a Dictatorship by a hair. I really recommend watching it.

H2O Man

(73,525 posts)
37. I saw that
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 04:10 PM
Jul 2021

this is on Netflix, and have been planning to watch it. And since you recommended it, I will watch it soon. Thanks you.

I remember in a 1977 letter, Rubin said that tyrants throughout history have known that if they can get their followers to hate a minority group, they will ignore their own level of being. And that is true. Hatred blinds people, to the extent that they are not conscious of who is capitalizing on their suffering.

The reports in the media -- many taken from new books -- confirm just how close this country came to dictatorship. It is sad to think about how many fools were not only okay with this then, but still prefer that to our democracy. They are not well ..... in fact, they are best described by the ancient diagnosis of "not right in the head."

I talk with an old friend on FB from my home town. The two of us are usually awake in the early morning hours, unable to sleep until after the sun comes up, so there aren't many others to talk to. He was at the national level of college wrestling, and what was known as a "dare-devil" when we were young. Takinghigh-risk jumps off of dams and bridges into relatively shallow waters. We laugh about how, when we were young, injuries hurt for a few days, but never stopped us from doing crazy things. But these days, pain is an entirely different experience.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
40. Pain is definitely tyrannical in its effects
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 07:07 PM
Jul 2021

In my youth I had a few broken bones but they healed as did all the minor ailments like colds. You can chalk them up as long ago inconveniences. But chronic pain is a different story. It can feel like shackles. We learn to manage it at best. To work around it and to alleviate it somewhat.

Maybe in some way it builds character.

H2O Man

(73,525 posts)
44. Although it is
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 05:51 PM
Jul 2021

a bit more than a year old, this piece is, in my opinion, the best way to understand the anti-Vax dynamic. Dr. Todd Grande nails it, in my opinion. Since reading your post, I have been wondering if I should use it in an OP -- what do you think?

Me.

(35,454 posts)
46. Done
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 09:18 PM
Jul 2021

though I will say that IMHO one major reason for some of the determined virulence is the desire to to deny PJB any type of success/

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