Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
14 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies

bigendian

(1,042 posts)
1. It's been that way for as long as I can remember.
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 03:12 PM
Jul 2021

Low voter turnout and apathy is the usual cause. Mix in voter suppression and HELLO OLIGARCHY!

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
2. Stop saying this is nothing new... That's incredibly irresponsible.
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 03:21 PM
Jul 2021

Things are dramatically different. Democracy is on the verge of collapse. This is not usual.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
4. And people should stop saying that Democracy is on the verge of collapse. Democracy is as strong
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 02:01 PM
Jul 2021

as the people who stand up for it. It has nothing to do with institutions.

And this is *not new,* especially if you were around when Newt The Fuck Gingrich - of which Mitch The Fuck McConnell thinks he is like him, but he is a poor imitation - wrested power as Speaker of the House.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
8. Democracy is not on the verge of collapse
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 02:11 PM
Jul 2021

In case you didn't get the memo, the system worked. We voted Trump and his thugs out of office and Joe Biden is president.

Zeitghost

(3,856 posts)
10. Please...
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 02:24 PM
Jul 2021

Pick up a history book. I mean that seriously. We are not on the verge of a systemic collapse of our democratic system. It's not perfect, but it has worked as designed for quite awhile, through good times and bad and that's not going to change any time soon.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't continue pushing for change, but the sky is not falling.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
11. Read The Road To Unfreedom by Dr Timothy Snyder
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 03:37 PM
Jul 2021

He's a Yale Historian specializing in the history of authoritarianism and collapsing democracies.

I strongly encourage everyone in this thread to read his work. Here's just a taste from his most recent tweet.


Elessar Zappa

(13,944 posts)
13. We've been through worse.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 04:20 PM
Jul 2021

We weren’t even a democracy until 1964, when the voting rights bill was passed. Until then, black people and others effectively couldn’t vote.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
14. And there have been plenty of plots to overthrow the federal government in the past.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 06:35 PM
Jul 2021

When Lincoln was assassinated there was a very detailed and thought out plan to stage a coup. I'm not saying that makes it right but this is not the first time something like this has happened and it will probably happen again, and fail again.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
3. We have always been under minority rule.
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 03:38 PM
Jul 2021

The minority being those few citizens who bother to vote.
If the majority wants to rule then they need get off their asses and vote.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
12. And of those, half voted for the candidate that won.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 04:15 PM
Jul 2021

Hence, we are ruled by the 50% of the 50% that voted. In other words, 25% voted the winners in.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
5. The only reason the right is holding us down is through a complicit MSM, who keep thinking they
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 02:08 PM
Jul 2021

have to report *both sides* and/or keep up the meme that this is the first time Democrats have ever held power and we don't know what to do with it (which is looking stronger everyday) or scream questions at PJB, demanding answers to the GQP questions of the hour. Those infamous Gotcha Questions at the pressers, once again distracting from the actual issues that need to be addressed.

Having "progressives" demanding answers as to why PJB hasn't done anything in the six months that he has been in office, like saving the Voting Rights Act, etc. Trying to save humanity in the US has kept him a little busy. Also, he is no longer in Congress, so there really is so much as that he can do.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
6. Big problem is we have a 200+ plus year old constitution that was designed to thwart majority rule.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 02:10 PM
Jul 2021

It used to be worse, but some change to it has occurred but nearly not enough.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. No, we're not. 80 MILLION people did not vote last November.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 02:17 PM
Jul 2021

It was 100 million in 2016. Both times a few hundred thousand of them could have changed everything, but they chose disengagement as their use of their power, to let others decide.

Pathetic and disgusting, but the result is the choice of a majority of the electorate.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»We are living in age of m...