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Jilly_in_VA

(9,964 posts)
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 03:39 PM Jul 2021

Small farms vanish every day in America's dairyland: 'There ain't no future in dairy'

“Look at that sweet heifer, high, tight udder, in her first lactation, idn’t she sweet?” auctioneer Tom Bidlingmaier shouts as his son Cory plods and slips and pushes the cow around a pen.

Watching it all are about 65 people, mostly men, mostly other small farmers in rubber boots, standing in mud and manure as they murmur their bids. Ron Wallenhorst, the farmer auctioning off his herd of 64 milking cows, is pacing and tapping an empty water bottle against his thigh. He has milked cows in his barn twice a day, every day, after taking over the farm from his father 32 years ago. By the afternoon, all the cows will be gone.

“This is our 401k,” said Ron, 55 years old, his tall frame still hearty though he’s 15 pounds lighter from stress.

The omens before the auction had not been great for Ron and his wife Lori. A couple of weeks before, a few towns over from their own farm in Cuba City, Wisconsin, which is about 70 miles south-west of Madison, they’d watched another complete dairy dispersal of a better herd. That means it produced more milk – 96 pounds (44kg) per cow a day to the Wallenhorsts’ 78 (35kg). The other farmer didn’t make out well financially. “We stood there with tears in our eyes,” Ron said. “Our whole life has been a risk. Deciding to sell was very, very difficult.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/21/small-farms-vanish-every-day-in-americas-dairyland-there-aint-no-future-in-dairy
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This is the other side of the story. Big Ag is ruining America.

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Small farms vanish every day in America's dairyland: 'There ain't no future in dairy' (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Jul 2021 OP
In the summer of 1965 I worked on a dairy farm, then again 3 years later when I was in abqtommy Jul 2021 #1
Generally speaking, most people are going to buy less expensive milk. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #2
And you will have vast factory "dairies" Champp Jul 2021 #9
To which the reaction of 99% of those who drink milk will be to simply shrug. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #11
humans have no biological need for cow dairy producats. they are a luxury nt msongs Jul 2021 #3
A rather odd definition of "luxury", that. Humans have no biological need for rice. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #4
I just had to say...excellent response. GulfCoast66 Jul 2021 #26
Growing children do have such a need. Ricketts is no joke. Milk provides protein & calcium... Hekate Jul 2021 #28
"Small ag" ruins America in its own ways as well. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #5
My grandparents had a small diary farm from 30s to mid-60s. Tough work, but loved Hoyt Jul 2021 #6
"Factory Farm" dairy is entirely unnecessary. hunter Jul 2021 #13
Where I grew up in Ohio there were small dairy farms everywhere captain queeg Jul 2021 #7
The problem Jilly_in_VA Jul 2021 #8
oh the life Keth Jul 2021 #10
This Started, For That Industry, Before 1990 ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #12
With the growth in popularity of plant-based nutrition lots of "Berries for Daries" projects... Binkie The Clown Jul 2021 #14
Small farms will continue to die out. Elessar Zappa Jul 2021 #15
So we should just shrug and accept it? Jilly_in_VA Jul 2021 #16
If you want to work on this issue, fine. Elessar Zappa Jul 2021 #17
It's the economy, s***** Jilly_in_VA Jul 2021 #19
Small farmers aren't a bowl of cherries either. Elessar Zappa Jul 2021 #22
Many of them are tax scams or exploit workers to make money, so maybe they could work WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #20
Yeah Jilly_in_VA Jul 2021 #21
Why not? Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #29
Law and public policy can be made to prevent market forces from harming an industry that's Ron Green Jul 2021 #18
Yes this is exactly why we in Canada prefer to keep our supply managed system Bev54 Jul 2021 #23
On the bright side, Mr. Bidlingmaier has a future in Cow Porn. Buns_of_Fire Jul 2021 #24
The number of dairy farms in Wi has been in a decline since the 1940's Kaleva Jul 2021 #25
I studied Agriculture at University. With lots of farmers some dairy farmers. GulfCoast66 Jul 2021 #27

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
1. In the summer of 1965 I worked on a dairy farm, then again 3 years later when I was in
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 03:47 PM
Jul 2021

college. Even back then it was a risky way to make a living, thanks to our Corporate Overlords.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
2. Generally speaking, most people are going to buy less expensive milk.
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 03:48 PM
Jul 2021

Economy of scale means smaller operations will have a tougher time competing.

Champp

(2,114 posts)
9. And you will have vast factory "dairies"
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 04:25 PM
Jul 2021

working the cows to factory standards as if they were milk machines.

Gag me with a gullet full of industrial cow squeezings.



 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
4. A rather odd definition of "luxury", that. Humans have no biological need for rice.
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 03:58 PM
Jul 2021

Is rice a luxury item?

Hekate

(90,641 posts)
28. Growing children do have such a need. Ricketts is no joke. Milk provides protein & calcium...
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 09:25 PM
Jul 2021

If an adult community tends toward lactose-intolerance, in individuals it does not come on until past childhood.

You can make a variety of arguments against consuming animal products (such as factory-farming) but the fact remains that eggs and milk are high-quality, nourishing, sources of protein for growing children — and for adults on a tight budget.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. My grandparents had a small diary farm from 30s to mid-60s. Tough work, but loved
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 04:04 PM
Jul 2021

spending a lot of time on that old farm.

Applaud those who keep small farms going. But recognize the need for large farms in feeding the world.

hunter

(38,310 posts)
13. "Factory Farm" dairy is entirely unnecessary.
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 05:10 PM
Jul 2021

It's bad for the environment, it's bad for the cows, and it's bad for humans.

Nobody is going to starve if it goes away. The same land that grows food for cows can grow food for humans.

It wouldn't bother me at all if the only dairy products available came from cows raised on green hillsides.

When my children were young we always had a gallon of milk in the refrigerator even though my wife is lactose intolerant and I don't drink milk. We didn't think about it, we'd unconsciously absorbed the four food group bullshit promoted when we were growing up.

Eventually, without any influence from us, our children started drinking the same soy milk their mom drinks. Any liquid milk I bought would sit unused and go bad so I stopped buying milk. That was about twenty years ago. I haven't paid any attention to the price of milk since.

If I was raising children all over again I'd skip the liquid milk entirely.

I keep dry milk packets around for the occasional recipes that ask for milk, and I only use cheese as a seasoning, not as a major source of protein.

I don't think inexpensive meat and dairy products are any kind of human right, especially if they come from animals raised in abusive conditions in a manner that damages the natural environment.

captain queeg

(10,157 posts)
7. Where I grew up in Ohio there were small dairy farms everywhere
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 04:06 PM
Jul 2021

Most every little town had a slaughterhouse. I worked in meat places for a few years as a young man. Now, all those have dried up, both farms and meat processing plants. Neither of those businesses could survive. Most of the farms couldn't survive and sold their land to developers Both of those types of businesses have been replaced by a small number of larger ones.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,964 posts)
8. The problem
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 04:08 PM
Jul 2021

is in the way the corporate farms are run and who runs them. You know who owns a big corporate dairy farm in Iowa (or maybe more than one, I haven't checked recently)? Devin Nunes, congresscritter from Fresno, CA, who I don't think even has a home in his district.

Keth

(184 posts)
10. oh the life
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 04:28 PM
Jul 2021

The very hard life. I grew up on a dairy farm in Southwest Missouri. Up everyday at five, chores before school. Get home from school and another round of chores. 7 days a week. Twice a day they had to be milked. Sad to see the family small farms vanishing - I wish I would have appreciated the hard life more when I was a kid.

ProfessorGAC

(64,990 posts)
12. This Started, For That Industry, Before 1990
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 04:39 PM
Jul 2021

My dad was the guy who drove a semi full of milk to the supermarkets. (Later, for a few years, a customer interface sales guy. Much less physical job.)
The dairy farmers began consolidating into corporations, with each big farmer being the GM of their owned properties. (Like divisions)
Their cost position put them up to buying up smaller competitors.
Then they bought up a few small dairies and began processing & packaging their own product.
Then they started competing on price and made it hard to operate a processing/bottling site.
Dairies started closing & in the 90s they swooped in and bought up equipment for 20¢ on the dollar making their dairies bigger.
Repeat, repeat, repeat.
My dad's dairy was part of a national food products conglomerate, and they were forced out of the northern Illinois market.
My dad got lucky by falling into a new car sales job only a few months after EVERYBODY got laid off.
Did that for 5 years, retired & died a couple years later.
But, conglomeration in dairy has been doing damage for over 30 years.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
14. With the growth in popularity of plant-based nutrition lots of "Berries for Daries" projects...
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 05:29 PM
Jul 2021

... are encouraging farmers to switch from products with declining sales to crops that are growing in popularity.

Dairy farming is pretty bad on the carbon balance scale, and needs to be phased out.

Elessar Zappa

(13,954 posts)
17. If you want to work on this issue, fine.
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 05:38 PM
Jul 2021

I’m just saying this is number 1,000 on my list of personal concerns.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,964 posts)
19. It's the economy, s*****
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 05:42 PM
Jul 2021

Someone else's living. I guess it doesn't concern you. Okay, fine. Make Devin Nunes and his ilk rich.

Elessar Zappa

(13,954 posts)
22. Small farmers aren't a bowl of cherries either.
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 05:44 PM
Jul 2021

It’s all bad for the environment in its current form.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,323 posts)
20. Many of them are tax scams or exploit workers to make money, so maybe they could work
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 05:42 PM
Jul 2021

on themselves a bit.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
18. Law and public policy can be made to prevent market forces from harming an industry that's
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 05:41 PM
Jul 2021

clearly being harmed by Big Ag. There’s just not the political will to do it.

Bev54

(10,045 posts)
23. Yes this is exactly why we in Canada prefer to keep our supply managed system
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 05:49 PM
Jul 2021

Our farmers get paid by cost of production and are not beholden to the processors, rather it is the other way around. It ensures the family farm survives and our industry is not operated by the large processors, much to their chagrin. They so want to dismantle it in our country as they managed to do in other countries but we want to keep it. I think we may be one of the only countries left standing. The CONservatives cannot be trusted to save it.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,174 posts)
24. On the bright side, Mr. Bidlingmaier has a future in Cow Porn.
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 07:06 PM
Jul 2021

“Look at that sweet heifer, high, tight udder, in her first lactation, idn’t she sweet?”

Talk like that used to get you Banned in Boston.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
27. I studied Agriculture at University. With lots of farmers some dairy farmers.
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 09:11 PM
Jul 2021

Every one of them were incorporated. Thus corporate farms. You are crazy if you don’t incorporate because if the farm goes bankrupt if your not unincorporated you lose all your personal wealth.

We can’t feed 8 billion people without the most efficiently agricultural possible. Modern farm equipment runs into hundreds of thousand of dollars for every piece of equipment. Your not affording that with 80 acres if farming row crops. Or trying to run a 40 cow dairy.

I try to eat locally raised meat, eggs and dairy products. But the wife and I make lots of money and they are not as efficient to produce. So many people can’t afford them.

The one group of people I know who don’t lament people leaving farming are ex-farmers who sold their land and live an easier life pulling down a 9-5. Or their kids who watched their parents work themselves to death with no vacation and said ‘no thanks’.

My grandfather was born in 1904. If I remember right. He farmed to feed his wife and 5 kids until after WWII. Had 120 acres at the end with a tractor. Started with 40 with mules. As soon as he could get on with the paper company working their land he did. Was happy to stop growing cotton and corn and switch to raising cows. His son, my uncle, does the same. Still has cows descended from his but got a college education and did well in the paper industry.

Farming sucks. A few souls love it. But not many.


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