So, it's approx 6 weeks since the cdc announcement about masks.

[boston bean]

Look where we are now.

That tells you all you need to know. Mask up people. Vaccines are working some, but are not a silver bullet. There are just as many of the idiot anti vaxers than there are vaccinated. It is a viral cesspool out there right now.

Common sense goes a long way.

PS CDC I am so pissed at you for allowing the anti maskers and anti vaxers to go in an honor system and spread the virus to us again. It was completely foreseeable they would not mask.

[LisaL]

1. Vaccines worked really well against preventing infections by original virus and alpha.

Delta is a whole different beast.
Agree regarding CDC, totally predictable outcome.

[boston bean]

5. In May India was being ravished by delta. Totally foreseeable.

[LisaL]

7. Exactly.

Everybody knew delta was coming.

[WaterSong1951]

15. I wear a mask in New Jersey -Rutgers professor agrees

Yes the variant is among us - I wear a mask in a store - recently the dean of the Rutgers School of Public Health said he is doing the same thing - good enough for science good enough for me-

[Walleye]

2. Responsible people are vaccinated. The irresponsible ones never wore a mask in the first place

[LisaL]

3. Then why were 100 % of people masked in the stores before CDC decided that

vaccinated people didn't need mask?
Now it 0%.

[PSPS]

24. Because most businesses jumped on the "it's all over" charade. Why? $$$$$$$

[MOMFUDSKI]

25. Here in Milwaukee

my husband went in to a custard stand few days ago and the people were stacked shoulder to shoulder as usual and when he came back to the car the asked me to guess how many people had masks on. The answer was ONE (him) only. YIKES

[Rhiannon12866]

39. Same thing here during "tourist season" now in NE New York (Lake George area)

There's an extremely popular seasonal ice cream venue on the road to Lake George Village, just across from the equally popular amusement park (which was closed last summer). The ice cream venue tried to open last summer, but was soon forced to close down due to a Covid outbreak among employees.

Despite that, they opened as usual this year and I saw the same thing there as your husband did when I drove by during prime time hours last week. People were pressed shoulder-to-shoulder in front of the numerous windows all the way out to the street. And despite the fact that this county leads the state in positive Covid tests (according to the front page of the local paper this week), there was not one mask in sight. They were getting ice cream!

[Hortensis]

41. The CDC issues guidelines, which can be adopted or ignored,

and are often deliberately misinterpreted by authorities and media. And people, millions of people.

The CDC does not make laws. BostonBean is mistaken in imagining the epidemiologists at the CDC have the power to "allow" or prohibit masking. Or anything else.

That's the province of the state and the federal governments.

[Skittles]

9. the truly responsible people got vaccinated and continue to mask

the goal is to defeat a pandemic, not to celebrate not wearing a mask

[Walleye]

11. That's how we should've gone about it from the beginning. Humanity versus the virus

[Skittles]

14. no shit

it's ridiculous that I, with no medical background, easily could see what would happen when that ridiculous announcement came out

[Walleye]

17. The honor system doesn't work among people who are dishonorable

[leftstreet]

10. Nonsense

The vaccine wasn't available to all ages (minus kids) until April 19th

CDC relaxed mask suggestions May 13th

To suggest that only "responsible" people regardless of location, income, access or circumstances would be fully vaxxed+2weeks in that time frame is ridiculous

[Skittles]

12. "it's all about me"

seen quite frequently lately

[uponit7771]

48. Then those people take precautions, I'm not going to wear 2 seatbelts cause some other idiot decides

... that' they're not going to wear one.

We need to stop enabling assholes

[former9thward]

4. No, this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

As President Biden has said.

[LisaL]

6. It's a pandemic for everybody.

Unless you are living in a different universe.

[former9thward]

18. I think President Biden is in this universe.

So am I. 99% plus of deaths are from unvax.

[LisaL]

19. We are all living in the same country.

If they are filling up hospitals, then we end up not getting help when we need to.
We can't very well ship them all to some un-inhabited island.

[AlexSFCA]

29. pandemic of the unvaccinated - consequences for everyone

[Skittles]

8. stop listening to politicians and start listening to doctors and scientists

they are advising everyone mask, REGARDLESS of vaccination status

[uponit7771]

45. CDC Doctors are advising everyone mask up? Link and quote? tia

[PSPS]

26. Sorry, but no.

Even the vaccinated are susceptible to infection so it is a pandemic for everyone. Perhaps he meant it is a pandemic because of the unvaccinated, and that would be more accurate.

It's obvious by now that the vaccine is not really a reliable vaccine (i.e., prevents infection,) at least as far as delta goes. That's not to say it isn't worth getting. Everyone should be getting it. However, there are too many cases of vaccinated people still getting infected by the delta variant. The vaccines being administered will definitely protect you from getting serious symptoms and keep you out of the hospital, and that, alone, makes it worth it, for sure. However, if you still get infected, you will still be vulnerable to long-termer side effects such as cardio, brain fog, etc. Plus, you will be spreading it to others. Several of my clients, fully vaccinated in April, have later tested positive. One had to quarantine and described his symptoms as "just thought my allergies were acting up. I don't know where we could have gotten it. We never do anything." He needed no hospitalization and just waited out the quarantine and traveled back to the US.

[former9thward]

27. I would not put words in his mouth.

He meant what he said because 99% plus of the people who die are unvax.

[PSPS]

32. LOL. So Biden's saying that he doesn't care if you get infected so long as you don't die? Got it!

[Pinback]

35. And doesn't care if you pass it along to others either, I guess.

Who knew?

[Lancero]

36. He specifically say that it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated because they're the only ones dying...

Or are you just putting words in his mouth?

[uponit7771]

47. +1, who are people listening to!? NEJM says vaxes 88% effective against Delta

[uponit7771]

46. NEJM data shows vaxes 88% effective against delta, who are you listening to? tia

[PSPS]

49. Yes, 88% (or more) effective against having to go to the hospital/dying, not against being infected.

I'm not saying that one shouldn't be vaccinated. Far from it. But we're seeing that fully-vaccinated people can still get infected with delta. They will have little or no symptoms and recover, but they're still infected and, thus, can both spread the virus and be susceptible to long-haul effects.

[uponit7771]

50. Could you quote the article sayin efficacy against infection vs lethal and critical? thx in advance

[PSPS]

51. There's no shortage of articles about this

Besides my admittedly anecdotal experience (fully-vaccinated clients who still were infected, minor symptoms, quarantined,) here's one of hundreds of contemporary articles that goes over this:

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/how-delta-variant-upends-assumptions-about-coronavirus-2021-07-26/

"... evidence is mounting that the Delta variant, first identified in India, is capable of infecting fully vaccinated people at a greater rate than previous versions, and concerns have been raised that they may even spread the virus..."

A consistent detail you see in all the reports is just what I'm saying: The vaccine is worth getting because it will almost always prevent death or even having to go to the hospital. That's not in dispute and is very desirable. It's the prevention of infection that's the problem.

All I'm saying is that it's too soon to ring the "all clear" bell and do away with masks. If anything, people should be using better masks than have been common in the past, such as cloth masks. You're free to do whatever you want, of course. What bothers me the most is that so many businesses are just throwing it all out the window and opening wide up which means we will be condemned to this lasting longer that it had to be.

[uponit7771]

52. I mean from the NEJM recent study that's recent study of the vaxes

Is there a quote saying its critical/lethality vs infection.

Thx on advance

[uponit7771]

44. +1, I'm not going to wear an extra seatbelt cause someone else chooses not to. Macron is right

[boston bean]

53. You ain't living in France, are you?

[uponit7771]

54. Nah, hopefully we'll adopt some of the attitude towards enabling the unvaxed.

[beaglelover]

58. I sure hope we do. We need to make life as difficult as possible for the unvaxed.

[StClone]

13. Yep a parallel post on my experience.

Day six offers waking up with chills, sweating, no sense of smell, little energy, but little coughing (but sneezing). No really appetite but I force myself. Noticed a lot of hair loss in the shower drain and a new thing of sores on the roof of my mouth.

Mask up!

Ah, the fun I've had...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215657618

[boston bean]

16. I had it late December. I am feeling ya.

Damn I think it will kill me if I catch it again

Hope you feel better soon.

[StClone]

22. Thanks friend

I never feared for my life, but it was not an experience I'd wish on anybody-and they call it mild cause you are not hospitalized. My best to you!

[cilla4progress]

20. I hate to say this...

but I think there was a bit of a political calculation that hurried the unmasking.

I masked today. First time in quite awhile.

😥

[boston bean]

21. Yep. Been saying it since day one. They gave into

The nut bags saying why should I get a vax if I have to mask. And guess what. None of them got the vax to go unmasked. They just wen unmasked. Who would think that would happen? Well, lil’ ole me and many others.

CDC did not follow science.

[LisaL]

23. And they still aren't vaxxing.

Seems some rather die from covid than get vaccinated.

[North Shore Chicago]

42. CDC did not follow science.

Nor human behavior from those who misbehave.

[Ms. Toad]

30. Definitely.

As someone noted the other day -

It was as if the CDC was advising an individual person about their indivdual risk, rather than acting as guardians of community health.

[dsc]

28. This is exactly why I felt we should have stayed masked into July

My county is at about 33% with one shot and 30% fully vaccinated. Literally no one is wearing masks in stores anymore here. We are sitting ducks for both delta and gamma.

[Ms. Toad]

31. We finally, today, topped 50% vaccinated.

But at least 99% are no longer wearing masks.

[barbtries]

33. i agree.

i've lost so much faith in the cdc. i feel it must still be infected with trumpsters.

[KentuckyWoman]

34. I did not listen to them at the start. I am not listening now.

It is my life, not the CDC's. What they say is fine for the overall, but I know my own situation.

In March 2020 I was sewing masks for me and mine out of old beat up cotton nightgowns and T Shirts. I could not find elastic so I dug out some torn nylons I was saving for stuffed toys and used that. Those were the days they were adamant ... you don't need a mask. Why? because they knew people would do with disposable masks just like they did with TP and there would be even less available for medical personnel.

Now they say, vaccinated, no need to mask. I still do. I know my own immune system is not that great. I know the unvaxxed around here WON'T mask unless forced to do so and I also know from experience personal space in a public place is a dream. So I still mask up.

And I agree with you .. "honor system" was crazy. Trumpers have no honor and that is exactly the crown that is not vaxxed.

[IronLionZion]

37. I never stopped masking

through an abundance of caution, I still mask indoors around people. Since it's summer, we sit outside when meeting people. There's a level of safety being surrounded by sensible liberals in our blue bubble.

[David__77]

38. It's not politically tenable to reverse course, in my opinion.

In California, were the state to reimpose mask requirements, it would be really bad for Newsom, I believe. I don’t see it happening.

[wnylib]

40. Imposing mask mandates now

might be done politically by saying that the delta variant and numbers of unvaccinated people make it necessary to mask up again.

Maybe it would not work as a mandate, but as an advisory. Tell people that, due to the nature of the delta variant and numbers of unvaxxed people, masking indoors is a good protective measure for themselves and their families against this strain. Start by advising this for seniors and people with compromised immune systems.

[uponit7771]

43. Disagree, I'm not going to wear 2 seatbelts because idiot drives don't want to wear one. At some

... point we have to not enable assholes, I 100% agree with Macron's position and we need leadership and a message like that in this country.

[Ligyron]

55. The morons are human petri dishes.

No telling how many new variants are being cooked up out there.

[fescuerescue]

56. It really makes it hard to know when to listen to the CDC

They seem to be as clueless and the Republicans.

Really. We can only get good information about the virus in liberal forums like this one it seems.

[beaglelover]

57. Vaccines are working as expected, they are NOT working 'some'.

[boston bean]

59. Chill. They gonna tell us vaxed to mask up again.

[Tarc]

60. It is mostly hitting the willfully unvaccinated, so, let em go

Time to thin the herd a bit.